CCM swap and now no start...

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Here is the deal
well some PO changed my CCM to a non roadster model
Henceforth the top and deflector would not work.
So I found a CCM from the EU (Much cheaper!) and that worked fine
Top powers up and the deflector works now.
Even got a key fob from England and it synced fine.
Problem is now the car wont start.
Im thinking its the 01559 01560 codes.


Thanks for all the help and your great product!

George

Code:
Friday,20,June,2014,15:27:27:41598
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator
VCDS Version: 14.6.0.0 (x64)
Data version: 20140601


VIN: TRUUT28N221019270   License Plate: 02AUDITT
Mileage: 125046   Repair Order: myride



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Chassis Type: 8N (8N - Audi TT (1999 > 2007))
Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 17 22 35 37 45 55 56 76 77
 
VIN: TRUUT28N221019270   
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Address 01: Engine        Labels: 06A-906-032-AMU.lbl
   Part No: 8N0 906 018 AN
   Component: 1.8L R4/5VT     G   0004  
   Coding: 06710
   Shop #: WSC 01236  
   VCID: 7DB238BD755310D260-5184
   TRUUT28N221019270     AUZ5Z0AN120023

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0110 1101

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 8N0-907-379-MK60-A.lbl
   Part No: 8N0 907 379 H
   Component: ESP ALLR  
   Coding: 0022544
   Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
   VCID: 41CA844D192BB43244-5184

1 Fault Found:
00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85) 
            014 - Defective

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 8N0-820-043.lbl
   Part No: 8N0 820 043 A
   Component: TT-KLIMAVOLLAUTOMAT D03  
   Coding: 00140
   Shop #: WSC 01236  
   VCID: 281C39E9CA51657A63-2596

1 Fault Found:
01274 - Air Flow Flap Positioning Motor (V71) 
            41-00 - Blocked or No Voltage

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 8N0-959-655.lbl
   Part No: 8N0 959 655 A
   Component: Airbag Front+Seite 5000  
   Coding: 01103
   Shop #: WSC 01236  
   VCID: 3E30FFB138D5CBCA39-5184

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 8Nx-920-xxx-17.lbl
   Part No: 8N1 920 980 
   Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRS. M73 D02  
   Coding: 07244
   Shop #: WSC 00000  
   VCID: 73A61E85431756A206-4B3C
   TRUUT28N221019270     AUZ5Z0AN120023

No fault code found.

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Address 22: AWD        Labels: 02D-900-554.lbl
   Part No: 02D 900 554 B
   Component: HALDEX LSC  ECC     0006  
   VCID: 1F0E22359F1FA2C212-4B3C

No fault code found.

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Address 35: Centr. Locks        Labels: 8Nx-962-267.lbl
   Part No: 8N7 962 267 
   Component: Zentralverrieg.,DWA D04  
   Coding: 04698
   Shop #: WSC 01236  
   VCID: 7DB238BD755310D260-4F50

2 Faults Found:
01559 - Drivers Door 
            61-00 - Won't De-Safe
01560 - Passenger Door 
            61-00 - Won't De-Safe

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Address 55: Headlight Range        Labels: 4B0-907-357-AUT.lbl
   Part No: 4B0 907 357 
   Component: LEUCHTWEITEREGLER  D004  
   Coding: 00010
   Shop #: WSC 01236  
   VCID: 658270DDFDC3B81298-51CE

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio        Labels: 8E0-035-1xx-56.lbl
   Part No: 4B0 035 186 H
   Component: concert II  NP2    0006   
   Coding: 04202
   Shop #: WSC 00000  
   VCID: 250230DDBD43781258-4EC8

No Faults Found
  or DTCs not supported by controller
  or a communication error occurred

End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 03:40)--------------------------
 
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Well, if we look at your Central Locking Module's Coding, it has the following options set:

+00001 = Rear Lid Opening via Rear Lid Lock Button
+00002 = Anti-Theft Locking Confirmation (Turn Signals)
+00004 = Selective Locking active
+00008 = Anti-Theft-System installed
+00016 = Half-Automatic Convertible Top (Roadster only)
+00032 = Auto-Lock/Unlock (Locking at 15 km/h)
+00064 = Comfort Operation (Windows/Sunroof) via Remote Control
+00128 = Right-Hand-Drive (RHD)
+00256 = Rear Lid Logic (Anti-Theft-System)
+00512 = Remote Control "Close" Confirmation (1x Turn Signals)
+01024 = Anti-Theft Locking Confirmation (Siren/Horn)
+02048 = Door/Window Logic (USA / Terminal 87)
+04096 = Remote Control "Open" Confirmation (2x Turn Signals)
+08192 = Remote Control active


You might try subtracting 8 from the existing coding to turn off the Anti-Theft system to see if that helps.

However, I'm scratching my head wondering why there's no option to turn off the "Safe" stuff (that's an anti carjacking "dealbolt" type feature that isn't allowed in the US). That's the source of your 01559 and 01560 faults, but I don't think that's why the car won't start.

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Describe the no start situation. There are no fault codes for failure of start.
 
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On those older cars, basically Mk.4 technology, the signal to the starter goes through the CCM (or in this case CLM) which can block it if it thinks that's appropriate. This will typically not produce any fault code.

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Yes there is no engine fault codes and no failure to start codes.
Its like the starter was inhibited. No starter spin at all.

Uwe I will try it out tomorrow. I Just wish I had the long code helper like the newer cars have. Worked on a friends 09 GTI and it was nice!
 
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There are 10 kinds of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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This is a euro CCM so I think that might be why....

George


You might try subtracting 8 from the existing coding to turn off the Anti-Theft system to see if that helps.

However, I'm scratching my head wondering why there's no option to turn off the "Safe" stuff (that's an anti carjacking "dealbolt" type feature that isn't allowed in the US). That's the source of your 01559 and 01560 faults, but I don't think that's why the car won't start.

-Uwe-
 
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So I tried adding +8 and no go on the euro ccm. swapped back to the coupe american ccm and it starts. Copied the soft coding from the NA ccm and loaded in the euro ccm and swapped back. No start again.... perhaps the Euro ccm is bad or Im buggering it up.

George
 
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Adding and subtracting are not the same thing. ;)

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Well, if we look at your Central Locking Module's Coding, it has the following options set:

+00001 = Rear Lid Opening via Rear Lid Lock Button
+00002 = Anti-Theft Locking Confirmation (Turn Signals)
+00004 = Selective Locking active
+00008 = Anti-Theft-System installed
+00016 = Half-Automatic Convertible Top (Roadster only)
+00032 = Auto-Lock/Unlock (Locking at 15 km/h)
+00064 = Comfort Operation (Windows/Sunroof) via Remote Control
+00128 = Right-Hand-Drive (RHD)
+00256 = Rear Lid Logic (Anti-Theft-System)
+00512 = Remote Control "Close" Confirmation (1x Turn Signals)
+01024 = Anti-Theft Locking Confirmation (Siren/Horn)
+02048 = Door/Window Logic (USA / Terminal 87)
+04096 = Remote Control "Open" Confirmation (2x Turn Signals)
+08192 = Remote Control active


You might try subtracting 8 from the existing coding to turn off the Anti-Theft system to see if that helps.

However, I'm scratching my head wondering why there's no option to turn off the "Safe" stuff (that's an anti carjacking "dealbolt" type feature that isn't allowed in the US). That's the source of your 01559 and 01560 faults, but I don't think that's why the car won't start.

-Uwe-
You forgot the +2, turn signals for anti theft confirmation.
Basicly the coding should be 04690, if I'm getting it correct.
 
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Adding and subtracting are not the same thing. ;)

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Yup! So I tried it still no joy. I went back to the original setup and nothing. I think this unit may be bad. Or just not willing to play with the US ECU...
 
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Yup! So I tried it still no joy. I went back to the original setup and nothing. I think this unit may be bad. Or just not willing to play with the US ECU...
I haven't heard the starter blockage on ccm, but then again i haven't played with mk4 Audis that much. On EU golf4 i know that i haven't encountered that situation if there could even be one. Maybe if there isn't than the ccm doesn't pass current through because it isn't supposed to? If that's the case, there is possibility to bridge the wires.

Did you get rid of the de-safe faults? What is the coding of the old CCM?
 
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Sure it does...........Its part of the alarm......

Before condemning the module.

The first thing I would do is verify the alarm is disarmed in 0x35.............
Then confirm via wire diagrams with a starter jump out that the ignition switch is working in crank circuit to module and module to starter.....including any possible fuses or relays/grounds shared in tracks.
 
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