Code (G201 Implausible Signal)

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Been having some issues with my ABS ran some codes today let me know what you think

Code:
Thursday,08,September,2016,11:09:17:00886
VCDS Release 16.8.1 (x64):  Generic OBD2
Mode 03: Emission related fault codes

Address 7E8: 1 Fault Found:
P2404 - EVAP Leak Detection Pump Sense Circuit: Implausible Signal

Address 7EC: No fault code found.

Thursday,08,September,2016,11:14:18:00886
VCDS Version: Release 16.8.1 (x64) Running on Windows 10 x64
www.Ross-Tech.com

                Address 03: ABS Brakes       Labels: 4F0-910-517.lbl
Control Module Part Number: 4F0 910 517 L    HW: 4F0 614 517 L
  Component and/or Version: ESP 8.0 quattro H03 0090
           Software Coding: 0020895
            Work Shop Code: WSC 23435 444 53523
                      VCID: 2D508ACFB412482A35-8078
2 Faults Found:

01435 - Brake Pressure Sensor 1 (G201) 
            008 - Implausible Signal
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01101000
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 151
                    Mileage: 202763 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2016.09.08
                    Time: 11:11:33

             Freeze Frame:
                    Hex Value: 0x0000
                    Hex Value: 0x4782
                    Hex Value: 0x001C
                    Hex Value: 0xB19C
                    Hex Value: 0x00FF

00473 - Control Module for Elect. Park/Hand Brake (J540) 
            008 - Implausible Signal
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01101000
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 151
                    Mileage: 202763 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2016.09.08
                    Time: 11:11:33

             Freeze Frame:
                    Hex Value: 0x0000
                    Hex Value: 0x4782
                    Hex Value: 0x002D
                    Hex Value: 0x059C
                    Hex Value: 0x00FF
 
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Been here?

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I have been there, but the lights came on at the same time so I wanted to see if there was any ideas since they came up together.
 
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I'll look this afternoon but here is a full scan. Also it happened just driving normally with no charge of parts.


Code:
Thursday,08,September,2016,11:07:28:00886
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 16.8.1.3 (x64)
Data version: 20160902 DS256
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WAUDG74F85N116221   License Plate: GHP670
Mileage: 202760km-125989mi   Repair Order: 



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Chassis Type: 4F (4F0)
Scan: 01 02 03 05 07 08 09 0E 15 16 17 19 36 42 46 47 4F 52 53 55
          56 61 62 67 72 77

VIN: WAUDG74F85N116221   Mileage: 202760km-125989miles

00-Steering Angle Sensor -- Status: OK 0000
 
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Address 01: Engine (AUK)       Labels: 06E-910-559-BKH.lbl
   Part No SW: 4F2 910 559 B    HW: 4F1 907 559 A
   Component: 3.2l V6 FSI         0020  
   Revision: --H15---    Serial number:               
   Coding: 01050109190F0120
   Shop #: WSC 23435 444 82899
   VCID: 2B5484D78A06461A2B-807E

2 Faults Found:
005715 - Please check DTC Memory of ABS Controller 
               P1653 - 008 - 
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101000
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 254
                    Reset counter: 40
                    Mileage: 173200 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2005.02.06
                    Time: 06:46:34

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 864 /min
                    Mass Air / Rev.: 87.2 mg/str
                    Temperature: 91.5°C
                        Idle
                    Load: 14.9 %
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h

009220 - EVAP Leak Detection Pump Sense Circuit 
               P2404 - 006 - Implausible Signal - MIL ON
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 10100001
                    Fault Priority: 4
                    Fault Frequency: 254
                    Reset counter: 40
                    Mileage: 173200 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2005.02.06
                    Time: 10:14:14

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 1824 /min
                    Mass Air / Rev.: 92.7 mg/str
                    Temperature: 51.0°C
                        Overrun
                    Voltage: 12.65 V
                    Speed: 29.0 km/h

Readiness: 0000 0000

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Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 09L-927-760.lbl
   Part No SW: 4F1 910 156 H    HW: 09L 927 156 
   Component: AG6 09L 3.2 FSI USA 0020  
   Revision: --H01---    Serial number:        4018127
   Coding: 0000002
   Shop #: WSC 02327 785 00200
   VCID: 29587EDF80FA540AD9-807C

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 4F0-910-517.lbl
   Part No SW: 4F0 910 517 L    HW: 4F0 614 517 L
   Component: ESP 8.0 quattro H03 0090  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 0020895
   Shop #: WSC 23435 444 53523
   VCID: 2D508ACFB412482A35-8078

4 Faults Found:
00265 - ABS Outlet Valve; Front Left (N102) 
            000 -  - 
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100000
                    Fault Priority: 1
                    Fault Frequency: 254
                    Reset counter: 151
                    Mileage: 178409 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2005.09.22
                    Time: 21:38:20

             Freeze Frame:
                    Hex Value: 0x0000
                    Hex Value: 0x5782
                    Hex Value: 0x000C
                    Hex Value: 0xB868
                    Hex Value: 0x00FF

01435 - Brake Pressure Sensor 1 (G201) 
            008 - Implausible Signal
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01101000
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 254
                    Reset counter: 151
                    Mileage: 160817 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2014.02.16
                    Time: 18:16:37

             Freeze Frame:
                    Hex Value: 0x1A00
                    Hex Value: 0x4702
                    Hex Value: 0x001C
                    Hex Value: 0xB1AA
                    Hex Value: 0x00FF

00473 - Control Module for Elect. Park/Hand Brake (J540) 
            008 - Implausible Signal
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01101000
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 191
                    Reset counter: 151
                    Mileage: 200251 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2016.07.28
                    Time: 16:39:08

             Freeze Frame:
                    Hex Value: 0x00C0
                    Hex Value: 0x4782
                    Hex Value: 0x002D
                    Hex Value: 0x0599
                    Hex Value: 0x00FF

01420 - High Pressure Switch Valve 1 for Electronic Stability Program (N227) 
            000 -  -  - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100000
                    Fault Priority: 1
                    Fault Frequency: 3
                    Reset counter: 185
                    Mileage: 201084 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2016.08.15
                    Time: 15:03:26

             Freeze Frame:
                    Hex Value: 0x0000
                    Hex Value: 0x4782
                    Hex Value: 0x0018
                    Hex Value: 0xC0A4
                    Hex Value: 0x00FF


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Address 05: Acc/Start Auth.        Labels: 4F0-910-852.clb
   Part No SW: 4F0 910 852     HW: 4F0 905 852 B
   Component: FBSAUDIC6 ELV   H30 0160  
   Revision: 27100401    Serial number: 10600300153793
   Coding: 0000011
   Shop #: WSC 23597 444 12572
   VCID: 63C42CF7A256CE5AD3-8036

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 4F0 910 131 J
   Component: FBSAUDIC6 EZS   H44 0070

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 4F0 910 220 A
   Component: FBSAUDIC6 IDG   H39 0040

No fault code found.

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Address 07: Control Head        Labels: 4F0-910-7xx-07-H.clb
   Part No SW: 4F0 910 730 E    HW: 4E0 035 729 
   Component: Interfacebox    H43 1070  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 360DT057522959
   Coding: 0000003
   Shop #: WSC 02335 785 00200
   VCID: 23446CF7E2D68E5A93-8076

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 4F0 910 609 B
   Component: Bedienteil MMIC6H07 0010

   Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 00000000131899

   Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 0130.03.050000000100010389ÿ

   Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 010389ÿ

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 4F0-910-043.clb
   Part No SW: 4F0 910 043     HW: 4F1 820 043 J
   Component: KLIMABETAETIGUNGH11 0150  
   Revision: 00000026    Serial number: 00000000132056
   Coding: 0524326
   Shop #: WSC 02327 785 00200
   VCID: 5BB414179A26F69A9B-800E

1 Fault Found:
00003 - Control Module 
            003 - Mechanical Failure - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100011
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 2
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 153624 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2013.07.31
                    Time: 14:07:31

             Freeze Frame:
                    Temperature: 28.0°C


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Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels: 4F0-910-279.lbl
   Part No SW: 4F0 910 279     HW: 4F0 907 279 
   Component: ILM Fahrer      H14 0080  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 4F0907279     
   Coding: 0013123
   Shop #: WSC 02335 785 00200
   VCID: 66C235E35164BB7234-8032

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 4F1 910 113   Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer AudiC6  H05 0150  
   Coding: 00062736
   Shop #: WSC 02335  

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 4E0 910 557   Labels: 8K0-955-559.CLB
   Component: REGENLICHTSENSORH10 0050  
   Coding: 00141886
   Shop #: WSC 02335  

2 Faults Found:
00979 - Lamp for Low Beam; Right (M31) 
            010 - Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101010
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 6
                    Reset counter: 174
                    Mileage: 200656 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2016.08.05
                    Time: 22:07:00

01500 - Bulb for Fog-Lamps; Right (L23) 
            010 - Open or Short to Plus
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01101010
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 254
                    Reset counter: 151
                    Mileage: 173224 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2005.02.07
                    Time: 14:08:00


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Address 0E: Media Player 1        Labels: 4E0-910-111.lbl
   Part No SW: 4E0 910 111 E    HW: 4E0 035 111 A
   Component: CD-Changer      H44 0430  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: AUZ5ZBE7141452
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 1B345417DAA6B69A5B-804E

1 Fault Found:
02095 - Component Protection Active 
            000 -  -  - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100000
                    Fault Priority: 4
                    Fault Frequency: 3
                    Reset counter: 185
                    Mileage: 202652 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2016.09.06
                    Time: 14:34:04


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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 4F0-910-655-8R.clb
   Part No SW: 4F0 910 655 F    HW: 4F0 959 655 A
   Component: 66 AIRBAG AUDI8RH30 0300  
   Revision: 15H30000    Serial number: 00359D0G2U4$  
   Coding: 0013878
   Shop #: WSC 23435 444 53523
   VCID: 2A5A81D385FC5F12D0-807E

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 4F0 910 339 
   Component: BF-Gewichtsens. 002 0040

   Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6332CSME093C662BA

   Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6342CSME093C6007%

   Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6351HSME07075830/

   Subsystem 5 - Serial number: 6361HSME070A0C120

   Subsystem 6 - Serial number: 6371VSME07284157H

   Subsystem 7 - Serial number: 6381VSME070C4871N

1 Fault Found:
00532 - Supply Voltage B+ 
            002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 4F0-910-549.lbl
   Part No SW: 4F0 910 549     HW: 4F0 953 549 A
   Component: Lenksäulenmodul H07 0230  
   Revision: 00H07000    Serial number: 90026050910204
   Coding: 0002041
   Shop #: WSC 02323 785 00200
   VCID: 66C235E35164BB7234-8032

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX 
   Component: Lenkradmodul    H07 0080

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 4F0-910-xxx-17.lbl
   Part No SW: 4F0 910 900 A    HW: 4F0 920 950 M
   Component: KOMBIINSTR. M73 H10 0630  
   Revision: 00800000    Serial number: 4R810Y345     
   Coding: 2113263
   Shop #: WSC 23597 444 84415
   VCID: 1E325D03C9B4A3B2BC-804A

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 4F0-910-468.clb
   Part No SW: 4F0 910 468 A    HW: 4F0 907 468 D
   Component: Gateway         H10 0060  
   Revision: 10          Serial number: 1200805330804D
   Coding: 6CFE73CC1B5104
   Shop #: WSC 02325 785 00200
   VCID: 275C78E796EE627ACF-8072

No fault code found.

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Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr        Labels: None
   Part No SW: 4F0 910 760     HW: 4F0 959 760 
   Component: Sitzmemory FS   H04 0050  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 00000000896400
   Coding: 0082946
   Shop #: WSC 02327 785 00200
   VCID: 61C826FFB84ADC4AC1-8034

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 4F0-910-793-42.lbl
   Part No SW: 4F0 910 793 B    HW: 4F0 959 793 B
   Component: TSG FA          H11 0040  
   Revision: 00-00000    
   Coding: 0035563
   Shop #: WSC 02327 785 00200
   VCID: 29587EDF80FA540AD9-807C

1 Fault Found:
02115 - Locking Unit for Central Locking 
            008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101000
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 254
                    Reset counter: 191
                    Mileage: 158411 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2013.12.17
                    Time: 18:57:58


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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 4F0-910-289.lbl
   Part No SW: 4F0 910 289 E    HW: 4F0 907 289 E
   Component: Komfortgeraet   H15 0100  
   Revision: 01000015    Serial number: 01003516090000
   Coding: 0423997
   Shop #: WSC 02335 785 00200
   VCID: 2C5687CB8F08412222-8078

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
   Component: LIN BACKUP HORN H02 1301

No fault code found.

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Address 47: Sound System        Labels: 4F0-910-223-BO.lbl
   Part No SW: 4F5 910 223 D    HW: 4F5 035 223 E
   Component: DSP-High C6     H14 0310  
   Revision: PROD_01     Serial number: 00000000028312
   Coding: 0000026
   Shop #: WSC 02327 785 00200
   VCID: 24466FEBE7D88962EA-8070

No fault code found.

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Address 4F: Centr. Electr. II        Labels: 4F0-910-280.lbl
   Part No SW: 4F0 910 280     HW: 4F0 907 280 A
   Component: ILM Beifahrer   H09 0050  
   Revision:             Serial number: 00000000081459
   Coding: 0001114
   Shop #: WSC 02323 785 00200
   VCID: 5EB21D038934E3B2FC-800A

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 4F0-910-793-52.lbl
   Part No SW: 4F0 910 793 B    HW: 4F0 959 792 B
   Component: TSG BF          H11 0040  
   Revision: 00-00000    
   Coding: 0035563
   Shop #: WSC 02327 785 00200
   VCID: 29587EDF80FA540AD9-807C

No fault code found.

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Address 53: Parking Brake        Labels: 4F0-910-801.clb
   Part No SW: 4F0 910 801     HW: 4F0 907 801 
   Component: EPB  C63C0030   H03 0030  
   Revision: C63C0030    
   Coding: 0005022
   Shop #: WSC 02334 785 00200
   VCID: 5DB01A0F8432F8AAE5-8008

2 Faults Found:
02432 - Supply Voltage for Left Parking Brake Motor (V282) 
            011 - Open Circuit - MIL ON
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 11101011
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 193
                    Reset counter: 74
                    Mileage: 200248 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2016.07.28
                    Time: 15:31:40

             Freeze Frame:
                    Voltage: 10.97 V
                    Count: 116

01316 - ABS Control Module 
            013 - Check DTC Memory - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101101
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 254
                    Reset counter: 191
                    Mileage: 178408 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2005.09.22
                    Time: 22:24:24

             Freeze Frame:
                    Voltage: 12.01 V
                    Count: 236


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Address 55: Headlight Range        Labels: 4F0-910-357.lbl
   Part No SW: 4F0 910 357 E    HW: 4F0 907 357 E
   Component: AFS 1           H01 0010  
   Revision: 00000001    Serial number:               
   Coding: 0000016
   Shop #: WSC 23435 444 53523
   VCID: 285E7BDB9BF06D02C6-807C

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 4F0 941 329 A
   Component: AFS-Modul links H05 0010

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 4F0 941 329 A
   Component: AFS-Modul rechtsH05 0010

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio        Labels: 4E0-910-541.lbl
   Part No SW: 4E0 910 541 F    HW: 4F0 035 541 B
   Component: TUNER EU/US/RDW H42 0480  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 394DQ057534343
   Coding: 0000002
   Shop #: WSC 02327 785 00200
   VCID: 23446CF7E2D68E5A93-8076

No fault code found.

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Address 61: Battery Regul.        Labels: 4F0-910-181.lbl
   Part No SW: 4F0 910 181 E    HW: 4F0 915 181 A
   Component: ENERGIEMANAGER  H12 0490  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 00000000013511
   Shop #: WSC 23435 444 58960
   VCID: 23446CF7E2D68E5A93-8076

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 4F0 915 105 C
   Component: von VA0  2503120128       
   Coding: 344630393135313035432056413032353033313230313238
   Shop #: WSC 00000 384 00290

4 Faults Found:
02273 - Quiescent Current Stage 2 
            000 -  -  - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100000
                    Fault Priority: 7
                    Fault Frequency: 220
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 150464 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2013.04.05
                    Time: 12:42:17

02276 - Quiescent Current Stage 5 
            000 -  -  - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100000
                    Fault Priority: 7
                    Fault Frequency: 199
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 150464 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2013.04.05
                    Time: 12:42:27

02274 - Quiescent Current Stage 3 
            000 -  -  - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100000
                    Fault Priority: 7
                    Fault Frequency: 195
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 150464 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2013.04.05
                    Time: 12:42:38

02277 - Quiescent Current Stage 6 
            000 -  -  - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100000
                    Fault Priority: 7
                    Fault Frequency: 193
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 150464 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2013.04.05
                    Time: 12:42:48


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Address 62: Door, Rear Left        Labels: 4F0-910-795.lbl
   Part No SW: 4F0 910 795     HW: 4F0 959 795 
   Component: TSG HL          H11 0030  
   Coding: 0035370
   Shop #: WSC 02327 785 00200
   VCID: 69D83EDF407A940A19-803C

No fault code found.

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Address 67: Voice Control        Labels: 4E0-910-75x-67.lbl
   Part No SW: 4E0 910 753 S    HW: 4E0 035 753 A
   Component: SDS 3501 US     H45 0550  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 00000503290244
   Shop #: WSC 12336 024 394758
   VCID: 3560A2AF5C4200EA4D-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right        Labels: 4F0-910-795.lbl
   Part No SW: 4F0 910 795     HW: 4F0 959 794 
   Component: TSG HR          H11 0030  
   Coding: 0035370
   Shop #: WSC 02327 785 00200
   VCID: 69D83EDF407A940A19-803C

No fault code found.

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Address 77: Telephone        Labels: 4E0-910-336.lbl
   Part No SW: 4F0 910 336 A    HW: 4E0 862 335 
   Component: Handyvorb2      H10 0120  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 00000007520949
   Coding: 0010900
   Shop #: WSC 02335 785 00200
   VCID: 214866FFF8CA9C4A81-8074

No fault code found.

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Internal faults of ESP module. Time to look for replacement one.
 
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Take unit apart and re-solder the welds first.........if unsuccessful buy a new module.
 
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Have You did any successful internal repairs of Bosch ABS/ESP 8.0, Jack? I have repaired 5.3 and 5.7 by myself. For 8.0 I can't find any information someone repaired those successfully.
 
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Affirmative ............same crap channel............. same crap shovel joints..........just do them all.
Stay tuned for the next episode of Bosch crimp weld follies.........lets do it again!

Retarded.........!
 
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Ok, Jack, probably I'm retarded with Bosch 8.0. Will try to take apart some bad ones laying somewhere under my table :D
BTW have You find any chemicals able to wash away silicone gel like in this video (0:35-0:40)? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxumtQskqTY
 
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MEK = Methyl Ethyl Ketone

Martin you are far from retarded from what I have observed so far.

Be forewarned I can be an asshole sometimes both intentionally & unintentionally.

It's not my fault.....I'm product of my environment, & I pass that buck to my parental units, however, I accept their responsibility.

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MEK = Methyl Ethyl Ketone =C4H8O, also called butanone? Will try.
 
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