passat abs pump replacment

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I have 2001 Passat tdi sport, I had to replace the abs pump... Now I cant bleed the brakes..

I bought the registered version of vcds lite with the hope it will help.


Am not sure if the pump in comuicating with the ecu.

edit: if I run a output test, nothing happens, dash beeps, that's it

I did do a scan and it returned:

Code:
VCDS-Lite Version: Release 1.2
 Saturday, 06 August 2016, 13:25:19:3906

 Chassis Type: 3B - VW Passat B5
 Scan: 01,02,03,08,15,16,17,19,35,36,37,46,47,55,56,57,58 ,75,76,77

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Address 01: Engine Labels: 038-906-019-AVF.LBL
 Controller: 038 906 019 EP
 Component: 1,9l R4 EDC G000SG 1442
 Coding: 00002
 Shop #: WSC 05314
 VCID: 69A531E50061
 WVWZZZ3BZ2E154738 VWZ7Z0A4011569
 1 Fault Found:
 18057 - Powertrain Data Bus: Missing Message from ABS Controller
 P1649 - 35-10 - - - Intermittent
 Readiness: N/A
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 8E0-614-111-ASR.LBL
 Controller: 3B0 614 111 
 Component: ABS/ASR 5.3 FRONT D00
 Coding: 00012
 Shop #: WSC 02325
 VCID: D3D9730D32ED
 No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 3Bx-907-044.LBL
 Controller: 3B2 907 044 J
 Component: CLIMATRONIC B5GP 0003
 Coding: 17000
 Shop #: WSC 05311
 VCID: 292571E5C0E1
 1 Fault Found:
 01274 - Air Flow Flap Positioning Motor (V71)
 37-10 - Faulty - Intermittent
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 15: Airbags Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.LBL
 Controller: 1C0 909 605 B
 Component: 0A AIRBAG VW51 04 02
 Coding: 12353
 Shop #: WSC 05311
 VCID: 233963CDA2CD
 1 Fault Found:
 00532 - Supply Voltage B+
 07-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 17: Instruments Labels: 3B0-920-xx5-17.LBL
 Controller: 3B0 920 926 A
 Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRSP VDO V01
 Coding: 05415
 Shop #: WSC 00700
 VCID: 223766C9BDD7
 WVWZZZ3BZ2E154738 VWZ7Z0A4011569
 1 Fault Found:
 01316 - ABS Control Module
 49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
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Address 19: CAN Gateway Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.LBL
 Controller: 6N0 909 901 
 Component: Gateway K<->CAN 0001
 Coding: 00006
 Shop #: WSC 05314
 VCID: F093DC81A3BB
 1 Fault Found:
 01316 - ABS Control Module
 49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
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Address 46: Central Conv. Labels: 1C0-959-799.LBL
 Controller: 1C0 959 799 B
 Component: 0M Komfortgerát HLO 0003
 Coding: 00258
 Shop #: WSC 05311
 VCID: 361FAA99015F
 2 Faults Found:
 01131 - Control Circuit for Turn Signals
 25-10 - Unknown Switch Condition - Intermittent
 00929 - Locking Module for Central Locking; Front Passenger Side (F221)
 27-00 - Implausible Signal
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 56: Radio Labels: 1J0-035-18x-56.LBL
 Controller: 1J0 035 186 D
 Component: RADIO SON 0003
 Coding: 05403
 Shop #: WSC 05311
 VCID: 263F7AD9D1FF
 1 Fault Found:
 00853 - Loudspeaker(s); Rear
 36-10 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
 End --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Any help would be much appreciated
 
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Moving to Car Repair Support.

Please tell us exactly what parts you replaced. Just the pump? Is this ABS control module the original one?

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Just replaced the whole unit. So I guess both.. from a scrap car
 
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i fitted the original module today, still getting nothing from output test

if i click abs then output test on vcds lite, the dash still beeps and lights flash, nothing else happens..

edit:
going other internet posts, it says to try abs>>basic settings>> group 001 then go

000,001,002,003 etc etc when i press go i get ERROR group 001(002 etc) no available
 
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should the output test and basic settings work on this model... scratching my head at the moment
 
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In order to know what functions that old ABS system should theoretically support, one would need to have a look at the old repair documentation for these cars, and I don't have that handy at the moment.

I don't suppose you saved and scan data from the old module while you were playing with it? If so, it would be good to post that for comparison purposes.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 4B0-614-517.lbl
Part No: 4B0 614 517 G
Component: ABS/ESP front 1728
Coding: 04255
Something is telling me that this ecu is looking for ESP..........when trolling the kind auto-scans of the world via cross check.

Nope should be ASR........

8E0-614-111AQ and part # is right by legacy.
New controller is 8E0-998-375J

Try this

Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 8E0-614-111-ASR.lbl
Part No: 3B0 614 111 Component: ABS/ASR 5.3 FRONT D00
Coding: 00022 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Try This



Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 8E0-614-111-ASR.LBL
Controller: 3B0 614 111
Component: ABS/ASR 5.3 FRONT D00
Coding: 00021<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Try This


Controller: 3B0 614 111
Component: ABS/ASR 5.3 FRONT D00
Coding: 00032<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Try This


Vehicle Identification No.
WVWZZZ3BZ2E154738
Model
passat squareback
PA
Date of production
13.08.2001
Year
2002
Sales type
3B6262
Engine Code
AVF
Transmission Code
FRK
Axle drive
6S
Equipment
RN
Roof color
A1
Exterior color / Paint Code
A1 / 041
 
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Not sure what you mean by try this??

@uwe the scan in first post if from module attached to replacement abs, do you want scan results from replacement abs with original module now attached?
 
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Yes, it would be good to see what the original module was, in order to determine if the replacement is compatible.

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According to the VIN and research I did above, the part is compatible, however, it would be good to know what the coding was of the old module.......
 
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here is the latest scan, abs pump from scrap yard audi and the original module. cheers

Code:
VCDS-Lite Version: Release 1.2
Monday, 08 August 2016, 16:17:54:3906


Chassis Type: 3B - VW Passat B5
Scan: 01,02,03,08,15,16,17,19,35,36,37,46,47,55,56,57,58,75,76,77
 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine       Labels: 038-906-019-AVF.LBL
   Controller: 038 906 019 EP
   Component: 1,9l R4 EDC G000SG  1442
   Coding: 00002
   Shop #: WSC 05314
   VCID: 69A531E50061
   WVWZZZ3BZ2E154738     VWZ7Z0A4011569
1 Fault Found:
18057 -  Powertrain Data Bus: Missing Message from ABS Controller
            P1649 - 35-10 -   - - Intermittent
Readiness: N/A

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 03: ABS Brakes       Labels: 8E0-614-111-ASR.LBL
   Controller: 3B0 614 111 
   Component: ABS/ASR 5.3 FRONT   D00
   Coding: 00012
   Shop #: WSC 05314
   VCID: D3D9730D32ED
No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 08: Auto HVAC       Labels: 3Bx-907-044.LBL
   Controller: 3B2 907 044 J
   Component: CLIMATRONIC B5GP    0003
   Coding: 17000
   Shop #: WSC 05311
   VCID: 292571E5C0E1
1 Fault Found:
01274 -  Air Flow Flap Positioning Motor (V71)
            37-10 -  Faulty - Intermittent

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 17: Instruments       Labels: 3B0-920-xx5-17.LBL
   Controller: 3B0 920 926 A
   Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRSP VDO V01
   Coding: 05415
   Shop #: WSC 00700
   VCID: 223766C9BDD7
   WVWZZZ3BZ2E154738     VWZ7Z0A4011569
1 Fault Found:
01316 -  ABS Control Module
            49-10 -  No Communications - Intermittent

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 19: CAN Gateway       Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.LBL
   Controller: 6N0 909 901 
   Component: Gateway K<->CAN    0001
   Coding: 00006
   Shop #: WSC 05314
   VCID: F093DC81A3BB
1 Fault Found:
01316 -  ABS Control Module
            49-10 -  No Communications - Intermittent

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 46: Central Conv.       Labels: 1C0-959-799.LBL
   Controller: 1C0 959 799 B
   Component: 0M Komfortgerát HLO 0003
   Coding: 00258
   Shop #: WSC 05311
   VCID: 361FAA99015F
2 Faults Found:
01131 -  Control Circuit for Turn Signals
            25-10 -  Unknown Switch Condition - Intermittent
00929 -  Locking Module for Central Locking; Front Passenger Side (F221)
            27-00 -  Implausible Signal

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 56: Radio       Labels: 1J0-035-18x-56.LBL
   Controller: 1J0 035 186 D
   Component:  RADIO SON         0003
   Coding: 05403
   Shop #: WSC 05311
   VCID: 263F7AD9D1FF
1 Fault Found:
00853 -  Loudspeaker(s); Rear
            36-10 -  Open Circuit - Intermittent

End   --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
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Well than it's coded correctly or was wrong to begin with or another issue exists between the modules.

Please try clearing faults in 0x17 and 0x19 to see if this allows the DTC to be cleared in 0x01

Check for communications of modules in block 125> area ..........with VCDS adv Measuring blocks.

I don't think this is a coding problem and more likely a wiring issue or legacy DTC's left behind from bad ABS module.

Maybe no ABS module was needed since you could talk to the old one........ and it was wiring all along..........?

Please RTFB and overlay the twisted pair for CAN High/Low to test and trace the WD.
 
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Hi Joe,

Can you be confident in the newly-installed used ABS module arrived fault free?
 
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The problem was the abs pump was leaking a lot..

I then fitted the pump and module from the audi

After that I fitted the original module to the replacement pump hoping that make a difference
 
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I'll have that done in the morning, rtfb??? Cheers
 
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Well than it's coded correctly or was wrong to begin with or another issue exists between the modules.

Please try clearing faults in 0x17 and 0x19 to see if this allows the DTC to be cleared in 0x01

Check for communications of modules in block 125> area ..........with VCDS adv Measuring blocks.

I don't think this is a coding problem and more likely a wiring issue or legacy DTC's left behind from bad ABS module.

Maybe no ABS module was needed since you could talk to the old one........ and it was wiring all along..........?

Please RTFB and overlay the twisted pair for CAN High/Low to test and trace the WD.
here is the scan results after I cleared said code

Code:
VCDS-Lite Version: Release 1.2
Tuesday, 09 August 2016, 10:01:48:3906


Chassis Type: 3B - VW Passat B5
Scan: 01,02,03,08,15,16,17,19,35,36,37,46,47,55,56,57,58,75,76,77
 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine       Labels: 038-906-019-AVF.LBL
   Controller: 038 906 019 EP
   Component: 1,9l R4 EDC G000SG  1442
   Coding: 00002
   Shop #: WSC 05314
   VCID: 69A531E50061
   WVWZZZ3BZ2E154738     VWZ7Z0A4011569
No fault code found.
Readiness: N/A

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 03: ABS Brakes       Labels: 8E0-614-111-ASR.LBL
   Controller: 3B0 614 111 
   Component: ABS/ASR 5.3 FRONT   D00
   Coding: 00012
   Shop #: WSC 05314
   VCID: D3D9730D32ED
No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 08: Auto HVAC       Labels: 3Bx-907-044.LBL
   Controller: 3B2 907 044 J
   Component: CLIMATRONIC B5GP    0003
   Coding: 17000
   Shop #: WSC 05311
   VCID: 292571E5C0E1
No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 15: Airbags       Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.LBL
   Controller: 1C0 909 605 B
   Component: 0A AIRBAG VW51 04     02
   Coding: 12353
   Shop #: WSC 05311
   VCID: 233963CDA2CD
1 Fault Found:
00532 -  Supply Voltage B+
            07-10 -  Signal too Low - Intermittent

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 17: Instruments       Labels: 3B0-920-xx5-17.LBL
   Controller: 3B0 920 926 A
   Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRSP VDO V01
   Coding: 05415
   Shop #: WSC 00700
   VCID: 223766C9BDD7
   WVWZZZ3BZ2E154738     VWZ7Z0A4011569
No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 19: CAN Gateway       Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.LBL
   Controller: 6N0 909 901 
   Component: Gateway K<->CAN    0001
   Coding: 00006
   Shop #: WSC 05314
   VCID: F093DC81A3BB
No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 46: Central Conv.       Labels: 1C0-959-799.LBL
   Controller: 1C0 959 799 B
   Component: 0M Komfortgerát HLO 0003
   Coding: 00258
   Shop #: WSC 05311
   VCID: 361FAA99015F
No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 56: Radio       Labels: 1J0-035-18x-56.LBL
   Controller: 1J0 035 186 D
   Component:  RADIO SON         0003
   Coding: 05403
   Shop #: WSC 05311
   VCID: 263F7AD9D1FF
1 Fault Found:
00853 -  Loudspeaker(s); Rear
            36-10 -  Open Circuit - Intermittent

End   --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I then went into abs brakes>>advanced functions on the right>>basic settings>>switch to measuring blocks>> group 125,hit go then get ERROR group 125 not available

edit; am not sure what you ment in last part of message?
 
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I then went into abs brakes>>advanced functions on the right>>basic settings>>switch to measuring blocks>> group 125,hit go then get ERROR group 125 not available

edit; am not sure what you ment in last part of message?

Exactly..........fix the CAN High/Low to the cluster contained gateway, because you are speaking with the controller on its separate K line with VCDS.

Trace and repair or overlay via WD.

Do you have a WD?

Are you down with JPPSG?
http://forums.ross-tech.com/showthr...essional-Problem-Solver-Guide-quot-JPPSG-quot


or is all good now after faults cleared?


 
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If both the origin module and pump worked fine except the leak, and now the original module has been refitted doesn't that point to replacement pump??
 
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No the faults are for communication issues not a pump.
Overlay test is required first for testing.
 
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when the can code is cleared ive had alittle success with the output test, it beeps a few times and says completed.. then on other attempts it doesnt work and the can code returns.

ill be honest, reading wiring diagrams have never been my strongest skill...

when first fitted, i pluged in the audi module and pump without disconnecting the battery/same for disconnecting the original one, would this cause any problems?

brake fluid has also leaked a fair bit onto the module harness

ive checked the abs fuse, its ok
 
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