RNS315 MK5 issue. MFSW and Bluetooth not working

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Car: 2008 GTI, 12/2007 build. Red display on the dash. Original CAN
gateway ends in 530K.

Installed RNS315 out of a 2015 Jetta. This unit for sure has bluetooth.
Install went OK. Used the proper antenna adapters and what not. In VCDS,
I enabled "37 Navigation". The box came up for Navigation, but it
doesn't find the radio, no matter what. Radio does work, minus bluetooth
and MFSW controls. Didn't have the issue with CAN gateway not putting
radio to sleep, but forums say that older CAN gateways will have issues
finding RNS315. Swapped in a new CAN gateway from Amazon
<http://www.amazon.com/>. Part number is 7N0907530AJ, with a 2014 build.
Checked off the boxes on the list for all the things this car has
(screen shotted the list from original gateway, and checked off the same
boxes on the new one). The coding menu looks different than the original
gateway. Navigation menu in VCDS does find the unit, with serial number
and all. I went to go uncheck byte 3 bit 5 in Navigation (Telephone
Transceiver/Bluetooth (internal) inactive), and I keep getting the Error
31 message when I go "Do It" (Request out of range - coding rejected). I
believe this is what I need to do to get the bluetooth menu to come up
on the RNS315. If I'm wrong, let me know. I did wire up a bluetooth mic
and plugged it into the back of the radio in the correct spot in the
harness connector.

Would love to get bluetooth working. Also, I hear mixed stories about
MFSW controls working (the volume buttons and phone mute, left side).
Also, the CAN gateway and Navigation both have fault codes for not coded
correctly.

Full scan.....

Code:
Sunday,03,July,2016,23:28:05:59930
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 8.1 x64
VCDS Version: 15.7.4.1 (x64)
Data version: 20160216
[url]www.Ross-Tech.com[/url] <http://www.ross-tech.com/>


VIN: WVWEV71K38W072030 License Plate: NTK54F
Mileage: 107340km-66697mi Repair Order:



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Chassis Type: 1K (7N0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 25 37 42 44 46 52 55 56 65

VIN: WVWEV71K38W072030 Mileage: 107340km-66697miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
37-Navigation -- Status: Malfunction 0010
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: Malfunction 0010
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
55-Headlight Range -- Status: Malfunction 0010
56-Radio -- Status: Not registered 0001
65-Tire Pressure -- Status: OK 0000

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine Labels: 06F-907-115-AXX.clb
Part No SW: 1K0 907 115 S HW: 8P0 907 115 B
Component: 2.0l R4/4V TFSI 0010
Revision: 5BH16--- Serial number: VWX7Z0G63NJ8SY
Coding: 0403010A18070160
Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
VCID: 3663D51941AD678E94-8062

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0000 0101

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Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK60-F.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 AC HW: 1K0 907 379 AC
Component: ESP FRONT MK60 0101
Revision: 00H11001
Coding: 0021122
Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
VCID: 73E52C0D125F32A673-8026

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 1K0-820-047.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 820 047 GF HW: 1K0 820 047 GF
Component: Climatic PQ35 141 0909
Revision: 00141027 Serial number: 00000000000000
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 6ED33D79797D1F4E9C-803A

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. Labels: 3C0-937-049-30-H.lbl
Part No SW: 3C0 937 049 AJ HW: 3C0 937 049 AJ
Component: Bordnetz-SG H54 2202
Revision: 00H54000 Serial number: 01000007377159
Coding: A78D0F2700041500470A00000F00000000497F075C00010000 0000000000
Shop #: WSC 06429 444 54105
VCID: 71E92605684300B681-8024

Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K1 955 119 E Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
Component: Wischer 170707 021 0501
Coding: 00038805
Shop #: WSC 06429

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags Labels: 1K0-909-605.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 909 605 AB HW: 1K0 909 605 AB
Component: 6K AIRBAG VW8R 034 8000
Revision: 05034000 Serial number: 003B6D095FT5
Coding: 0013899
Shop #: WSC 01269 785 00200
VCID: 6CD737714F61ED5EB2-8038

Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K0 959 339 G
Component: BF-Gewichtsens. 007 0007

Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6332MSME184F1A71I

Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6342MSME192F6926M

Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6352QSME33267935F

Subsystem 5 - Serial number: 6362QSME3367175DN

Subsystem 6 - Serial number: 63727SME0D130323S

Subsystem 7 - Serial number: 63827SME0D13022F/

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel
Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 BD HW: 1K0 953 549 BD
Component: J0527 036 0070
Coding: 0002022
Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
VCID: 75E112151C2B2C965D-8020

Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX
Component: E0221 002 0010

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-17.lbl
Part No SW: 1K6 920 974 A HW: 1K6 920 974 A
Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VDD 1216
Revision: V0002000 Serial number: VWX7Z0G63NJ8SY
Coding: 0007103
Shop #: WSC 01287 785 00200
VCID: 326BE909ADC57BAEB8-8066

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533) Labels: 7N0-907-530-V2.clb
Part No SW: 7N0 907 530 AJ HW: 7N0 907 530 AJ
Component: J533 Gateway H51 1634
Revision: H51 Serial number: 18011400F15821
Coding: 350000
Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
VCID: 78FF1B21CB3951FE46-802C

2 Faults Found:
00463 - Control Module for Digital Sound Package (J525)
004 - No Signal/Communication
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100100
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 1
Mileage: 107344 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 23:22:55

01044 - Control Module Incorrectly Coded
000 - -
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100000
Fault Priority: 1
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 255
Mileage: 107344 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 23:22:51


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Address 25: Immobilizer Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
Part No SW: 1K6 920 974 A HW: 1K6 920 974 A
Component: IMMO VDD 1216
Revision: V0002000 Serial number: VWX7Z0G63NJ8SY
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 326BE909ADC57BAEB8-8066

No fault code found.

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Address 37: Navigation (J794) Labels: 1K0-035-27x-37.clb
Part No SW: 1Q0 035 274 K HW: 1Q0 035 274 K
Component: RNS315-NAR H85 0501
Serial number: VWZAZ2P0626905
Coding: 000100210400060000008000
Shop #: WSC 00066 123 00118
ASAM Dataset: EV_RNS315NARV2UDS 001705
ROD: EV_RNS315NARV2UDS.rod
VCID: 326BE90965C57BAEB8-8066

Data medium:
Subsystem 1 - Part No: 3AA 919 866 B
Component: NAR_V7N 0060

1 Fault Found:
1048641 - Control Module Incorrectly Coded
U1014 00 [009] - -
Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 5
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 1
Mileage: 107344 km
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 23:24:12


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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver Labels: 1K0-959-701-MIN3.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 959 701 M HW: 1K0 959 701 M
Component: Tuer-SG 006 120A
Coding: 0001077
Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
VCID: 387FDB214BB991FE86-806C

1 Fault Found:
00928 - Locking Module for Central Locking; Front Driver Side (F220)
008 - Implausible Signal

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Address 44: Steering Assist
Labels: 1Kx-909-14x-44.clb
Part No: 1K1 909 144 M
Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.074 H08 1901
Shop #: WSC 00000 028 00001
VCID: 3561D2155CAB6C969D-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv. Labels: 1K0-959-433-MAX.clb
Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 CT HW: 1K0 959 433 CT
Component: KSG PQ35 RDK 052 0221
Revision: 00052000 Serial number: 00000000000000
Coding: 1B9006885103083F2D04058FB0080A04889C00
Shop #: WSC 01287 785 00200
VCID: 04077FD147F1051E5A-8050

Subsystem 1 - Component: Sounder n.mounted

Subsystem 2 - Component: NGS n.mounted

Subsystem 3 - Component: IRUE n.mounted

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. Labels: 1K0-959-702-MIN3.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 959 702 M HW: 1K0 959 702 M
Component: Tuer-SG 006 120A
Coding: 0001076
Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
VCID: 3979DE2570B388F679-806C

No fault code found.

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Address 55: Headlight Range Labels: 1T0-907-357.lbl
Part No: 1T0 907 357
Component: Dynamische LWR 0003
Coding: 0000003
Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
VCID: 74E72F111751359E6A-8020

2 Faults Found:
01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285)
004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
01312 - Powertrain Data Bus
014 - Defective - Intermittent

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Address 65: Tire Pressure Labels: 3C0-959-433-65.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 CT HW: 1K0 959 433 CT
Component: RDK 0450
Revision: 00052000 Serial number: 00000000000000
Coding: 0100101
Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
VCID: 04077FD147F1051E5A-8050

No fault code found.

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RNS-315 only speaks BAP. So, you need to upgrade to MK6 Steering wheel and steering wheel electronics to get MFSW to work. To get display on dash, you need to change to White-pixel cluster. Much more involved.
 
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RNS-315 only speaks BAP. So, you need to upgrade to MK6 Steering wheel and steering wheel electronics to get MFSW to work. To get display on dash, you need to change to White-pixel cluster. Much more involved.
There was a dude in the TDI forums that got the left side MFSW controls to work (volume and phone answer). I know that the right side will not work, as the red cluster is DDP or something while RNS315 is BAP only. This is less of an issue than the no bluetooth issue. Any ideas on that?
 
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Bluetooth and the other functions are done via coding. If your radio is not coded correctly, you will not get any sound and bluetooth will not operate. Your gateway is coded for Digital sound package, but you do not have that in your car. If you do, make sure that it is connected and fuse is good.
 
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You have some of the same codes im suffering from after fitting an rns315 dab in my caddy but I'm none the wiser on how to sort them so hopefully you can sort it and I can gain some info from your post &#55357;&#56397; Sorry it's not a helpful reply !
 
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RNS-315 only speaks BAP. So, you need to upgrade to MK6 Steering wheel and steering wheel electronics to get MFSW to work. To get display on dash, you need to change to White-pixel cluster. Much more involved.
Most important here is a Cluster , which "transfer" MFSW buttons to radio and with proper cluster radio will recognize buttons
you can also use Mk5 (8 buttons) MFSW with White dot cluster , no need Mk6 (12 buttons)
start from cluster swap first
all other parts are ok to run with UDS cluster
 
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Most important here is a Cluster , which "transfer" MFSW buttons to radio and with proper cluster radio will recognize buttons
you can also use Mk5 (8 buttons) MFSW with White dot cluster , no need Mk6 (12 buttons)
start from cluster swap first
all other parts are ok to run with UDS cluster
Passat B6, with 3c8920880G cluster, 8-mfsw and rns315. Volume buttons do not work in this case.
With RNS510, they work.

I think the problem is the radio not recognizing the commands from 8-mfsw as the rns315 never came with 8-mfsw(correct me if wrong).
 
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Bluetooth and the other functions are done via coding. If your radio is not coded correctly, you will not get any sound and bluetooth will not operate. Your gateway is coded for Digital sound package, but you do not have that in your car. If you do, make sure that it is connected and fuse is good.
Which fuse am I checking for? The radio (navigation) itself works, just no bluetooth. I know bluetooth is built in to the RNS315, and I'm having trouble enabling it. I keep getting that "Error:31" thing, coding rejected.

Having the digital sound package enabled or disabled makes no difference. Tried it both ways.
 
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Most important here is a Cluster , which "transfer" MFSW buttons to radio and with proper cluster radio will recognize buttons
you can also use Mk5 (8 buttons) MFSW with White dot cluster , no need Mk6 (12 buttons)
start from cluster swap first
all other parts are ok to run with UDS cluster
I'm wondering how the other person got the MK5 left side MFSW buttons (mainly volume) to work. I know the right side (menu) will never work, unless I swap a few more parts, including white dot cluster.
 
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I thought the RNS-310 didn't have Bluetooth and the RNS-315 did.
The RNS-310 never has bluetooth built in.

The RNS-315 comes both with and without bluetooth. If the MAC is all zeroes, then it doesn't have bluetooth I'm afraid.
 
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The RNS-310 never has bluetooth built in.

The RNS-315 comes both with and without bluetooth. If the MAC is all zeroes, then it doesn't have bluetooth I'm afraid.
Must be a European thing. In the US, all RNS-315's have Bluetooth. Some do not have it active, but coding activates it.
 
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What does Europe do with SAT radio, like the current rns315?

Your unit has sat-radio, so US. And no MAC in sticker, so no BT.
 
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Must be a European thing. In the US, all RNS-315's have Bluetooth. Some do not have it active, but coding activates it.
Even in the US not all RNS-315 have bluetooth, the one golfi_vend posted being a perfect example.

Here is a http://forums.ross-tech.com/showthread.php?170-mk6-xenon-retrofit&p=33410&viewfull=1#post33410 a scan from a 2015 Jetta with an identical RNS-315 to the one you're installing (1Q0035274K RNS315-NAR H85 0501) and you can see it has a separate BT module (5N0035729E).

The easiest way to prove the unit has bluetooth is to post a picture of the sticker with the mac address...

Should look similar to this:
 
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As mention above that unit does not have BT built in. I think revision D is last one with built in BT.
To get most buttons to work , you need to update Steering module to CH.
Also Best way to get all functions working with RNS315 is to update MK6 cluster , MK5 MFSW can be used with out any problem.

I did this on my car about year ago with MK6 MFSW and all buttons work:
http://forums.ross-tech.com/showthr...K6-Color-premium-cluster-MK6-MFSW-and-RNS-315
 
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Even in the US not all RNS-315 have bluetooth, the one golfi_vend posted being a perfect example.

Here is a http://forums.ross-tech.com/showthread.php?170-mk6-xenon-retrofit&p=33410&viewfull=1#post33410 a scan from a 2015 Jetta with an identical RNS-315 to the one you're installing (1Q0035274K RNS315-NAR H85 0501) and you can see it has a separate BT module (5N0035729E).

The easiest way to prove the unit has bluetooth is to post a picture of the sticker with the mac address...

Should look similar to this:
OK.. Now it paints a better picture. The vehicle there is a 2015, and has the option of Car-Net.

Address 75: Telematics (J949) Labels: None
Part No SW: 561 035 285 A HW: 561 035 285 A
Component: OCULowUSA 020 0156
Serial number: 000003554140530
Coding: 02630102C24232007F1606000000
Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
ASAM Dataset: EV_OCULow 002009
ROD: EV_OCULow_SE12.rod
VCID: 142DC2F2FF55979873-8041
No fault code found.

That must be why they have a BT-Less RNS-315 and an external BT unit. So that Car-Net will operate.
 
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Ok, makes a lot of sense now. I went back to check the sticker on my unit, and it does have all 0's for the MAC address. It came out of a 2015 Jetta, which uses the external BT module.

Guess I'm going to have to decide if I want to add a module or live without BT.

Thanks everyone.
 
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