07 GTI Won't Start. Turns over and fires a couple times

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check post 92, click on the link and make sure u follow steps 1 thru 4. this is just to verify that ur eyes are not lying
 
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Should this concern me?
https://youtu.be/kINw_eyCDoE
Could it have caused the belt to jump about 8 teeth without showing damage? With cam at TDC #1 cylinder is airtight. With crank at TDC #1 exh valves are open and air escapes.
 
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Check keyways on cam gear and adjuster barrel ..........inspect cam and setup belt at correct points.

Do not deviate from this check.........

Yes OP deserves credit for sticking with it.

Change idlers, tensioner and belt.......
 
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is this ur first time doing a belt
 
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Thanks for changing the pics, Uwe. I did that from my phone so I didn't realize they were not there.
 
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Yes, first time doing a belt. First time under the hood of a water cooled VW. My first car was a '57 Oval. 2nd was a '63 type II 23 window. Far, far simpler. I can build small block Ford or Chevy or Corvair engines with my eyes closed. I'll keep at this until I get it to run or find out I have to replace the engine. I like the challenge and learning something new. And online verbal abuse rolls right off my shoulders. :cool:
 
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cool story:popcorn:
 
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Well, this "cool story" has a happy ending. I changed the timing belt and tensioner and reset the timing to match the crank and cam at TDC. I cleaned the oil pan (found some carbon bits and a few pieces of nylon in the corner). With everything back together and fresh oil, car started right up! I drove it around the block and up a hill. It did keep running and had power, but had a miss here and there. I'll run the codes again when I get time tomorrow. Thanks to all who helped with the suggestions of what to try, especially Jack, Uwe and ivagp.

Video of engine idling before I drove it:
https://youtu.be/aIzp3y_jry0
 
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Basics win again.................

This is what is known as a loop effect for the belt.

During cold cranking an oil bypass fails and creates a bind and throws the belt when the car kicks back.
Oil is thicker when cold and higher PSI is achieved.

or

A misfire kick back effect .........such as running backward for a second can cause this too.

Kind of envision whipping an extension cord and how a loop can be made to start from one end to the other....like an AC wave.

Beware that another underlined condition could exist with oil pump bypass or control oil PSI valve.

It could be a tired tensioner and belt just being warn too.........
 
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i heard this old saying once from a fella i think his name was "Benevolent Dictator" COOL STORY:popcorn:
 
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I ran the codes again and there are some issues.
What can you experts tell me about these?
Code:
Friday,07,October,2016,20:28:49:50930
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 8.1 x64
VCDS Version: 16.8.0.3 (x64)
Data version: 20160803 DS255
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WVWFV71K37W166153   License Plate: 



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Chassis Type: 1K (1K0)
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 0F 15 16 17 19 1C 25 42 44 46 52 55 56 65

VIN: WVWFV71K37W166153   Mileage: 333160km-207016miles

00-Steering Angle Sensor -- Status: OK 0000
01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
0F-Digital Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: Malfunction 0010
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
1C-Position Sensing -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
65-Tire Pressure -- Status: OK 0000
 
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Address 01: Engine        Labels: 06F-907-115-AXX.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 115 H    HW: 8P0 907 115 B
   Component: 2.0l R4/4V TFSI     0020  
   Revision: 5BH15---    Serial number: VWZ7Z0G8013765
   Coding: 0403010A1C070160
   Shop #: WSC 01279 067 57207
   VCID: 2B7BF8198AC3C21A25-807E

13 Faults Found:
000256 - Mass Air Flow Sensor (G70) 
               P0100 - 004 - Supply Voltage - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100100
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 3
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 333157 km
                    Time Indication: 0

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 0 /min
                    Load: 0.0 %
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Temperature: 24.0°C
                    Temperature: 34.0°C
                    Absolute Pres.: 990.0 mbar
                    Voltage: 12.954 V

004952 - Cylinder 2 Ignition Circuit 
               P1358 - 004 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100100
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 333157 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 01:22:45

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 214 /min
                    Load: 62.7 %
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Temperature: 24.0°C
                    Temperature: 34.0°C
                    Absolute Pres.: 990.0 mbar
                    Voltage: 11.049 V

004961 - Cylinder 3 Ignition Circuit 
               P1361 - 004 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100100
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 333157 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 01:22:46

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 214 /min
                    Load: 53.3 %
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Temperature: 24.0°C
                    Temperature: 34.0°C
                    Absolute Pres.: 990.0 mbar
                    Voltage: 10.922 V

004964 - Cylinder 4 Ignition Circuit 
               P1364 - 004 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100100
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 333157 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 01:22:46

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 214 /min
                    Load: 53.3 %
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Temperature: 24.0°C
                    Temperature: 34.0°C
                    Absolute Pres.: 990.0 mbar
                    Voltage: 10.922 V

000768 - Random/Multiple Cylinder Misfire Detected 
               P0300 - 008 -  - MIL ON
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 11101000
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 333157 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 04:18:51

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 1227 /min
                    Load: 47.0 %
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Temperature: 25.0°C
                    Temperature: 24.0°C
                    Absolute Pres.: 990.0 mbar
                    Voltage: 14.224 V

000771 - Cylinder 3 
               P0303 - 008 - Misfire Detected - MIL ON
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 11101000
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 333157 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 04:19:14

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 1185 /min
                    Load: 44.7 %
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Temperature: 32.0°C
                    Temperature: 24.0°C
                    Absolute Pres.: 990.0 mbar
                    Voltage: 13.970 V

000772 - Cylinder 4 
               P0304 - 008 - Misfire Detected - Intermittent - MIL ON
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 10101000
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 333157 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 04:19:14

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 1185 /min
                    Load: 44.7 %
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Temperature: 32.0°C
                    Temperature: 24.0°C
                    Absolute Pres.: 990.0 mbar
                    Voltage: 13.970 V

000770 - Cylinder 2 
               P0302 - 008 - Misfire Detected - MIL ON
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 11101000
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 333157 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 04:19:14

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 1185 /min
                    Load: 44.7 %
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Temperature: 32.0°C
                    Temperature: 24.0°C
                    Absolute Pres.: 990.0 mbar
                    Voltage: 13.970 V

004243 - Bank 1; Fuel Measuring System 2 
               P1093 - 008 - Malfunction - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101000
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 333157 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 04:19:57

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 1398 /min
                    Load: 19.6 %
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Temperature: 40.0°C
                    Temperature: 24.0°C
                    Absolute Pres.: 990.0 mbar
                    Voltage: 14.224 V

000022 - Bank 1: CMP Sensor (G40) / Engine Speed Sensor (G28) 
               P0016 - 002 - Incorrect Correlation - MIL ON
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 11100010
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 333157 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 05:03:05

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 1065 /min
                    Load: 45.5 %
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Temperature: 43.0°C
                    Temperature: 27.0°C
                    Absolute Pres.: 990.0 mbar
                    Voltage: 13.970 V

008825 - Leak in Air Intake System 
               P2279 - 002 - 
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100010
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 333157 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 05:04:19

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 829 /min
                    Load: 22.0 %
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Temperature: 54.0°C
                    Temperature: 28.0°C
                    Absolute Pres.: 990.0 mbar
                    Voltage: 13.970 V

004506 - Fuel Pressure Sensor (G247) 
               P119A - 001 - Malfunction
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100001
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 333157 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 05:06:02

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 748 /min
                    Load: 17.6 %
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Temperature: 62.0°C
                    Temperature: 30.0°C
                    Absolute Pres.: 990.0 mbar
                    Voltage: 13.970 V

008196 - Intake Manifold Flap; Bank 1 
               P2004 - 008 - Stuck Open - MIL ON
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 11101000
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 333158 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 05:11:31

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 251 /min
                    Load: 0.0 %
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Temperature: 81.0°C
                    Temperature: 30.0°C
                    Absolute Pres.: 990.0 mbar
                    Voltage: 12.954 V

Readiness: 0010 0101

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Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 02E-927-770.clb
   Part No SW: 02E 300 043 Q    HW: 02E 927 770 AE
   Component: GSG DSG         070 1306  
   Revision: 04607000    Serial number: 00000612040951
   Coding: 0000020
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 2265153DFD09035296-8076

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK60-F.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 AC    HW: 1K0 907 379 AC
   Component: ESP FRONT MK60      0101  
   Revision: 00H11001    
   Coding: 0021122
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 73CB20791273DADAAD-8026

1 Fault Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module 
            013 - Check DTC Memory - Intermittent

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 1K0-820-047.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 820 047 GS
   Component: Climatic PQ35   120 0606  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 7BDB08593A23929AF5-802E

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels: 3C0-937-049-23-H.lbl
   Part No SW: 3C0 937 049 AE    HW: 3C0 937 049 AE
   Component: Bordnetz-SG     H52 2002  
   Revision: 00H52000    Serial number: 00000006559540
   Coding: 178D8F214004150047140000001400000028770B5C0001
   Shop #: WSC 22580 444 57677
   VCID: 6CF93B054F4D05226C-8038

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K1 955 119 E  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer 201206 020  0501  
   Coding: 00038805
   Shop #: WSC 22580  

No fault code found.

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Address 0F: Digital Radio        Labels: 8E0-035-593-SIR.lbl
   Part No SW: 8E0 035 593 H    HW: 8E0 035 593 H
   Component: SDAR SIRIUS     H06 0080  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: AUZ4Z7F0024301
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 2E7DF10DB9D1B73202-807A

2 Faults Found:
02635 - Tuner Not Enabled/Activated 
            000 -  - 
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100000
                    Fault Priority: 7
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 253
                    Mileage: 333157 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 04:18:46

02788 - Internal Communications Error 
            000 -  - 
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100000
                    Fault Priority: 7
                    Fault Frequency: 43
                    Reset counter: 0
                    Mileage: 333160 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 08:24:30

             Freeze Frame:
                    Bin. Bits: 00000000
                    Bin. Bits: 00000001


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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 1K0-909-605.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 909 605 AB    HW: 1K0 909 605 AB
   Component: 5L AIRBAG VW8R  034 8000  
   Revision: 05034000    Serial number: 003B6D07R6RE  
   Coding: 0013644
   Shop #: WSC 01269 785 00200
   VCID: 6CF93B054F4D05226C-8038

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K0 959 339 G
   Component: BF-Gewichtsens. 007 0007

   Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6332MSME151A07522

   Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6342MSME156A6B6EV

   Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6352QSME1C76133DN

   Subsystem 5 - Serial number: 6362QSME1E183E4D-

   Subsystem 6 - Serial number: 63727SME0B640C2E9

   Subsystem 7 - Serial number: 63827SME0B771B200

2 Faults Found:
01587 - Igniter 2 for Airbag; Drivers Side (N250) 
            001 - Upper Limit Exceeded - Intermittent - MIL ON
00591 - Seat Belt Switch; Driver (E24) 
            010 - Open or Short to Plus - MIL ON

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 AG    HW: 1K0 953 549 AG
   Component: J0527           636 0070  
   Coding: 0012122
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 77D31469060BB6FA91-8022

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX 
   Component: E0221           002 0010

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-17.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K6 920 973 A    HW: 1K6 920 973 A
   Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VDD 1610  
   Revision: V0003000    Serial number: VWZ7Z0G8013765
   Coding: 0007207
   Shop #: WSC 22580 444 53700
   VCID: 3147EA71A8EFA8CA1F-8064

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 1K0-907-530-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 K    HW: 1K0 907 951 
   Component: J533__Gateway   H04 0021  
   Revision:   H04 02    Serial number: 070107F1001226
   Coding: 7F8F03600F000000
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 2F43EC09BEDBBE3A09-807A

No fault code found.

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Address 1C: Position Sensing        Labels: 1Kx-919-xxx-1C.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K6 919 879     HW: 1K6 919 879 
   Component: Kompass         001 0003  
   Revision: 00001000    Serial number: 1225223T1QSF03
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 7DDF064124379CAACB-8028

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 1K6 920 973 A    HW: 1K6 920 973 A
   Component: IMMO            VDD 1610  
   Revision: V0003000    Serial number: VWZ7Z0G8013765
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 3147EA71A8EFA8CA1F-8064

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 1K0-959-701-MIN3.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 701 M    HW: 1K0 959 701 M
   Component: Tuer-SG         005 0983  
   Coding: 0001077
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 3851D7554B95798258-806C

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1Kx-909-14x-44.clb
   Part No: 1K1 909 144 L
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.074 H07 1806  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 028 00001
   VCID: 3449E36557FD9DE274-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 1K0-959-433-MAX.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 CT    HW: 1K0 959 433 CT
   Component:    KSG PQ35 RDK 052 0218  
   Revision: 00052000    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 139006885103281B0904058FB0080A04889C00
   Shop #: WSC 22580 444 999999
   VCID: 042973A547DDED6284-8050

   Subsystem 1 - Component:   Sounder n.mounted     

   Subsystem 2 - Component:       NGS n.mounted     

   Subsystem 3 - Component:      IRUE n.mounted     

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 1K0-959-702-MIN3.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 702 M    HW: 1K0 959 702 M
   Component: Tuer-SG         005 0983  
   Coding: 0001076
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 3957D251709F608AA7-806C

No fault code found.

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Address 55: Headlight Range        Labels: 1T0-907-357.lbl
   Part No: 1T0 907 357 
   Component: Dynamische LWR      0003  
   Coding: 0000003
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 74C92365177DDDE2B4-8020

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio        Labels: 1K0-035-1xx-56.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 035 180 G    HW: 1K0 035 180 G
   Component: Radio PM6       017 0023  
   Revision: 00017000    Serial number: VWZ5Z7F2121101
   Coding: 0040401
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 24691325E71D0D62E4-8070

No fault code found.

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Address 65: Tire Pressure        Labels: 3C0-959-433-65.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 CT    HW: 1K0 959 433 CT
   Component:    RDK              0440  
   Revision: 00052000    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 0100101
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 042973A547DDED6284-8050

No fault code found.

End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 01:11)--------------------------
I'll clear the codes and run them again tomorrow to see if any changed.
 
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I'm down to 8 engine codes now, but since the engine is running I'm going to start a new thread regarding my current issue. Intermittent faults. Thanks again for the help getting it running!
 
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Looks like ground or power bus is interupted.
Verify consumers output relay and all connections immediately!
 
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OK, we don't need two threads for the same car, same issues. Closing this one. Continuation here.

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