Mk6.:R haldex issue?

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Hey folks!
So my personal vehicle decided to start giving issues...2012 golf 6 r DSG with 60k kilos..

Roads were a bit wet today so I'm cruising in second behind a granny ..get a gap and put my foot down to overtake her...car kicks down to first and all hell breaks loose ...suddenly I get hectic torque steer and front wheel hop..traction control light that I hardly ever see in this car comes on with the loss of traction.. I thought it may have just been a hiccup so I come to a complete stop and pull away at wot and all is good.no tc light no spinning...I then cruise in second again and put my foot down and the exact same thing happens.car loses traction on the front wheels miss shifts into limiter and then changes to second... I have for a while been suspicious about the awd as there are certain times when ,even on a dry surface, the car does lose traction obviously not as bad as in the rain today..but it just doesn't seem right... I've had this car for over a year now and this has definitely not happened before
I scanned the car and have absolutely zero faults besides a stupid hvac fault that's been there forever...
So my question is...with the 4 motion system should there ever be a point, even on a wet surface, where the front wheels spin so bad that it replicates a fwd cars wheel hop?
Could there possibly be an issue in the the rear diff that would cause this without there being a fault code?
Are there any logs I could do on the awd that could help?

The car is still under warranty but the "technicians" at my local dealer are absolutely incompetent ...when I gave the workshop foreman a call he asked "isn't it supposed to do that?"

I called a master tech buddy of mine and he claims there is usually a fault code when something goes wrong
I'd really appreciate your views guys
my maintenance plan is almost up and need to have this sorted before that happens
 
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Some additional information from this vehicle would be helpful. Please run an AutoScan and paste the results into this thread/topic .This will allow us to see details regarding which modules are installed in this vehicle, how they're currently coded, and what (if any) fault codes are present.

This video may be helpful:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCBt6d42-Fc

Please let us know if you need any assistance with this function.
 
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Ok will do first thing in the morning
 
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I don't think Sebastian actually mean to say "email". Please post the scan here. :)

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Indeed, boiler plate fail... ;) Fixed that...
 
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Code:
VCDS Version: Release 15.7.4 (x64) Running on Windows 7 x64
Data version: 20160216
www.Ross-Tech.com

Tuesday,14,June,2016,15:09:59:48700

Chassis Type: 1K (7N0)
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 10 15 16 17 19 22 25 42 44 46 52 55 56 62 72
          77

VIN: WVWZZZ1KZDW071255   Mileage: 60530km-37611miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Malfunction 0010
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
22-AWD -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
77-Telephone -- Status: OK 0000
 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine (CDL)       Labels: 06F-907-115-CDL.clb
   Part No SW: 1K8 907 115 D    HW: 8P0 907 115 B
   Component: 2.0l R4/4V TFSI     0030  
   Revision: 5BH21---    Serial number:               
   Coding: 0403000C1C0F0160
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 2F6BAB3BBEA37046D7-807A

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0000 0001

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Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 02E-927-770.lbl
   Part No SW: 02E 300 014 S    HW: 02E 927 770 AL
   Component: GSG DSG AG6     512 3526  
   Revision: 05551213    Serial number: 00001206282544
   Coding: 0000020
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 224D520FFD71CD2E48-8076

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: 1K0-907-379-60EC1F.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 BL    HW: 1K0 907 379 BL
   Component: ESP MK60EC1   H31 0152  
   Revision: 00H31001    
   Coding: 163BE00D092980FB680D07E9901E0181350000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 7DF74173E44F52D615-8028

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels: 5K0-907-044.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 907 044 GK    HW: 5K0 907 044 GK
   Component: Climatronic   H19 1212  
   Revision: 00001004    
   Coding: 0010002002
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Climatronic A01010
   ROD: EV_ClimaAutoBasis_VW36.rod
   VCID: 7AFD4A6FFD6165EE30-802E

2 Faults Found:
9496597 - Sunlight Photo Sensor 
          B10E8 15 [009] - Open or Short to Plus
          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 66
                    Mileage: 59719 km
                    Date: 2016.03.06
                    Time: 21:17:30

9496613 - Sunlight Photo Sensor 
          B10E8 15 [009] - Open or Short to Plus
          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 66
                    Mileage: 59719 km
                    Date: 2016.03.06
                    Time: 21:17:30


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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels: 1K0-937-08x-09.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 937 084 H    HW: 1K0 937 084 H
   Component: BCM PQ35  B   111 0709  
   Revision: AB111709    
   Coding: 48180A3AE833F1C0408800C0340408644FF50488732D8D20E48400240040
   Shop #: WSC 03145 996 12345
   VCID: 3363A74B928B54A6B3-8066

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 5K2 955 119 
   Component: Wischer 13071  26  0512 
   Coding: 009795

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 955 559 AH  Labels: 1K0-955-559-AG.CLB
   Component: RLS 180712 05  54  0403 
   Coding: 0630AD

   Subsystem 3 - Part No: 1K8 951 171 
   Component: DWA-Sensor 00  001 0104 

   Subsystem 4 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
   Component: LIN BACKUP HO  H05 1501 

No fault code found.

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Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J446)       Labels: 3C8-919-475.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 919 475 E    HW: 5K0 919 475 E
   Component: PARKHILFE 8K  H01 0012  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 12501216601444
   Coding: 108104
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 387990678BEDB7FE86-806C

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels: 5K0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 5C0 959 655 B    HW: 5C0 959 655 B
   Component: AirbagVW10    013 0613  
   Serial number: 003G5RAMYPT%  
   Coding: 00003958
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW10SMEVW360 A01014
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW10SMEVW360_SE36.rod
   VCID: 316FAD43609766B6C1-8064

   Crash sensor for side airbag; driver side: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 354     HW: 5K0 959 354 
   Component: S.Sens.Fahr.V  H02 ---- 
   Serial number: 3572MSME7D24166EZZZ3

   Crash sensor for side airbag; front passenger side: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 354     HW: 5K0 959 354 
   Component: S.Sens.Beif.V  H02 ---- 
   Serial number: 3582MSME556C556FZZZA

   Crash sensor for side airbag; rear; driver side: 
   Component: S.Sens.Fahr.H  --- ---- 
   Serial number: 3512QSME623D1C1CZZZ+

   Crash sensor for side airbag; rear; passenger side: 
   Component: S.Sens.Beif.H  --- ---- 
   Serial number: 3522QSME5A501C01ZZZQ

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels: 5K0-953-569.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 507 AH    HW: 5K0 953 549 B
   Component: Lenks.Modul   008 0080  
   Revision: --------    Serial number:  90422LGK000EJ
   Coding: 1892140000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SMLSNGKUDS A05001
   ROD: EV_SMLSNGKUDS_SE36.rod
   VCID: 76E55E5FC979018E54-8022

   Multi Function Steering Wheel Control Module: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 542 B    HW: 5K0 959 542 B  Labels: 3C8-959-537.CLB
   Component: E221__MFL-TAS  H30 0032 
   Serial number: 0052620             
   Coding: 830000

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels: 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb
   Part No SW: 5K6 920 873 B    HW: 5K6 920 873 B
   Component: KOMBI         H05 0705  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 170F01
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04716
   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_SK35.rod
   VCID: 3567995394FF4A969D-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels: 7N0-907-530-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 7N0 907 530 R    HW: 7N0 907 530 H
   Component: J533  Gateway H42 1632  
   Revision:   H42       Serial number: 150712F2003648
   Coding: 350003
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 3F8BFB7BAEC380C647-806A

No fault code found.

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Address 22: AWD        Labels: 0AY-907-554-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 0BR 907 554 C    HW: 0BR 907 554 C
   Component: Haldex 4Motion      3018  
   Coding: 0000005
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 4587E9930C1FDA160D-8010

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels: 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 5K0 953 234 
   Component: IMMO          H05 0705  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 000000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03709
   ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09_SE25.rod
   VCID: 6ADD7A2F8DC1D56EC0-803E

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 1K0-959-701-MIN3.lbl
   Part No SW: 5K0 959 701 H    HW: 5K0 959 701 H
   Component: Tuer-SG         009 2106  
   Coding: 0000692
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 377B935B46F3B8868F-8062

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1Kx-909-14x-44.clb
   Part No: 5N0 909 144 P
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl. 251    3305  
   Revision: 00H22000    
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 3E75867F69C989CE4C-806A

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 1K0-959-702-MAX3.lbl
   Part No SW: 5K0 959 702 C    HW: 5K0 959 702 C
   Component: Tuer-SG         009 2120  
   Coding: 0000948
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 3363A74B528B54A6B3-8066

No fault code found.

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Address 55: Headlight Range        Labels: 5M0-907-357-V2.lbl
   Part No SW: 5M0 907 357 C    HW: 5M0 907 357 C
   Component: AFS-Steuergeraet    0148  
   Revision: 00H04000    Serial number:               
   Coding: 1475932
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 3461A4575785539EAA-8060

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 7L6 941 329 B  Labels: 3D0-941-329.CLB
   Component: AFS-Lst.-Modul l    0005  
   Coding: 00000022

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 7L6 941 329 B  Labels: 3D0-941-329.CLB
   Component: AFS-Lst.-Modul r    0005  
   Coding: 00000022

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio (J0503)       Labels: 5M0-035-1xx-56.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 035 190 B    HW: 5K0 035 190 B
   Component: Radio RCD510  005 0234  
   Revision: 00000001    Serial number: VWZ1Z3M7259543
   Coding: 05000400040005
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 244154172765C31E3A-8070

No fault code found.

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Address 62: Door, Rear Left        Labels: 1K0-959-703-GEN3.lbl
   Part No SW: 5K0 959 703 D    HW: 5K0 959 703 D
   Component: Tuer-SG         007 2101  
   Coding: 0000144
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 1012552
   VCID: 356799535CFF4A969D-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right        Labels: 1K0-959-704-GEN3.lbl
   Part No SW: 5K0 959 704 D    HW: 5K0 959 704 D
   Component: Tuer-SG         007 2101  
   Coding: 0000144
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 1012552
   VCID: 36659E5F41F9418E94-8062

No fault code found.

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Address 77: Telephone (J412)       Labels: 7P6-035-730.clb
   Part No SW: 7P6 035 730 J    HW: 7P6 035 730 J
   Component: TELEFON       H15 3200  
   Revision: 1B001001    Serial number: 00007663155375
   Coding: 0A01000000010101
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_UHVNA 002720
   ROD: EV_UHVNA.rod
   VCID: 397F9563B8E7AEF679-806C

No fault code found.

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Usually with the haldex systems what we have seen is the pump or the electronics going bad, VW has a repair kit available which includes a new pump but in your case I don't see that to be the issue. Both a bad pump and bad electronics in the past have always had clear indicators set as fault codes. In addition your description isn't exactly pointing towards a bad haldex in the first place.

Loosing traction isn't necessarily unusual, even with a 4wd car. The 4Motion system works by not being a permanent all wheel drive, it will divert power based on slip and throttle as it sees fit. So some slip is expected, assuming its just for a short time frame. You could log some measuring values while trying to reproduce the situation. If you want to read up on the topic, I'd recommend SSP 414 (should be available through http://erwin.volkswagen.de).
 
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"So some slip is expected, assuming its just for a short time"
I do agree...but the whole of first gear seems a bit too long for me!! I've spoken to some other people with the same vehicle and they confirm that no matter how hard they push their vehicles in the wet, they have not traction issues...maybe a pump starting to give in??? Agggghhh horrible knowing something is amiss and I can't prove it.. thanx for your advice in any case !! I will definitely post back once I've come to conclusion
 
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