First Post :- 2008 VW Touran 1.9 TDI --- won't start, ignition dead

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Bantam

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Hi Lads,

This is my first post, so any help or pointers would be gratefully received.

2 days ago, my 2008 VW Touran 1.9 TDI lost all power, and when I tried a restart there was no life in the dash. The car was left parked for approx 1/2 and hour and then restarted fine. I ran a VAG-COM scan which returned a load of errors, so in an attempt to weed out misleading errors, I cleared all DTC's

Yesterday, the car lost power again, and 1/2 an hour later started fine again. I ran a fresh VAG-COM scan. The results were more or less the same with a most of the same errors re-appearing. The bit that jumped out was the fact that some had a weird date and time recorded alongside.
Date: 2005.09.13
Time: 31:63:63

i.e. it's a 2008 vehicle, yet the log recorded a date of "September 2005"....and the DTC's had all been cleared the previous day. Also, how come the time was recorded at 31 hours 63 minutes and 63 seconds. Sounds like something seriously wrong with an internal clock.

Today the car died again for the 3rd time in 3 days. This time I can't get it started at all.
The symptoms are
1..When open the driver door, the mileometer lights up with the mileage.
2..When I turn the ignition key, there is no power to the dash, (other than the mileometer display). The car won't start.
3..I car hear what sounds like a ignition relay clicking once when I turn the key.

Here's the VCDS log. Can anyone help me?

Code:
Wednesday,04,June,2014,22:04:35:03430
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator
VCDS Version: 12.12.2.0 (x64)
Data version: 20140212


VIN:    License Plate: 
Mileage: 87270km-54227mi   Repair Order: 



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Chassis Type: 1T (1K0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 16 17 18 19 25 42 44 46 52 56

VIN: WVGZZZ1TZ8W115912   Mileage: 87270km/54227miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
[COLOR="#FF0000"]08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Malfunction 0010[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#FF0000"]09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010[/COLOR]
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
[COLOR="#FF0000"]18-Aux. Heat -- Status: Malfunction 0010[/COLOR]
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
[COLOR="#FF0000"]46-Central Conv. -- Status: Malfunction 0010[/COLOR]
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
 
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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 1K0-820-047.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 820 047 HB    HW: 1K0 820 047 HB
   Component: Climatic PQ35   141 1010  
   Revision: 00141028    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 6BDFF0814A8896465E5-803E

[COLOR="#FF0000"]3 Faults Found:
00819 - High Pressure Sensor (G65) 
            009 - Open or Short to Ground
01316 - ABS Control Module 
            004 - No Signal/Communication
01314 - Engine Control Module 
            004 - No Signal/Communication[/COLOR]

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Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels: 3C0-937-049-30-M.lbl
   Part No SW: 3C0 937 049 AH    HW: 3C0 937 049 AH
   Component: Bordnetz-SG     H54 2202  
   Revision: 00H54000    Serial number: 00000007970338
   Coding: 00890F2100040F0047120C000000000000087B075C000100000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 01324 785 00200
   VCID: 6FE7E4917E906A6672D-803A

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 2K2 955 119 C  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer 211207 021  0501  
   Coding: 00038805
   Shop #: WSC 01324  

[COLOR="#FF0000"]4 Faults Found:
02403 - Terminal 15 for Interior 
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01101100
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 230
                    Mileage: 87277 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2005.09.13
                    Time: 31:63:63

             Freeze Frame:
                        ON
                    Voltage: 12.25 V
                        ON
                        ON
                        OFF
                        OFF
                        OFF

01321 - Control Module for Airbags (J234) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 230
                    Mileage: 87277 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2005.09.13
                    Time: 31:63:63

             Freeze Frame:
                        ON
                    Voltage: 12.25 V
                        ON
                        ON
                        OFF
                        OFF
                        OFF

01314 - Engine Control Module 
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 230
                    Mileage: 87277 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2005.09.13
                    Time: 31:63:63

             Freeze Frame:
                        ON
                    Voltage: 12.25 V
                        ON
                        ON
                        OFF
                        OFF
                        OFF

01309 - Power Steering Control Module (J500) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 230
                    Mileage: 87277 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2005.09.13
                    Time: 31:63:63

             Freeze Frame:
                        ON
                    Voltage: 12.25 V
                        ON
                        ON
                        OFF
                        OFF
                        OFF[/COLOR]


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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 BN    HW: 1K0 953 549 BN
   Component: J0527           752 0100  
   Coding: 0000042
   Shop #: WSC 01324 785 00200
   VCID: 7F0734D12EF01AE6E2D-802A

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-17.lbl
   Part No SW: 1T0 920 964 A    HW: 1T0 920 964 A
   Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VDD 1212  
   Revision: V0002000    Serial number: VWX7Z0H03N910W
   Coding: 0001401
   Shop #: WSC 00000 067 57207
   VCID: 346D2BFD573609BE4FF-8061

No fault code found.

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Address 18: Aux. Heat        Labels: 1K0-815-071.clb
   Part No: 1K0 815 071 T
   Component: Zuheizer        050 2504  
   Revision: 00050000    Serial number: 09009839000000
   Coding: 0000011
   Shop #: WSC 01324 785 00200
   VCID: 366911F5414A1BAE71B-8063

[COLOR="#FF0000"]2 Faults Found:
02085 - Incorrect Control Module Installed 
            000 - -
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100000
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 2
                    Reset counter: 230
                    Mileage: 87277 km
                    Time Indication: 0

01321 - Control Module for Airbags (J234) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 2
                    Reset counter: 230
                    Mileage: 87277 km
                    Time Indication: 0[/COLOR]


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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 1K0-907-530-V3.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 L    HW: 1K0 907 951 
   Component: J533  Gateway   H07 0052  
   Revision:   H07 01    Serial number: 060108F1001195
   Coding: E9801F06000A028003
   Shop #: WSC 01324 785 00200
   VCID: 306527EDA32E359E2B7-8065

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 1T0 920 964 A    HW: 1T0 920 964 A
   Component: IMMO            VDD 1212  
   Revision: V0002000    Serial number: VWX7Z0H03N910W
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 346D2BFD573609BE4FF-8061

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 1K0-959-701-MIN3.lbl
   Part No SW: 1T0 959 701 D    HW: 1T0 959 701 D
   Component: Tuer-SG         006 1202  
   Coding: 0000565
   Shop #: WSC 01324 785 00200
   VCID: 38751FCD4B5EEDDE637-806D

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 1K0-959-433-MIN.clb
   Part No: 1K0 959 433 CP
   Component:    KSG              0401  
   Coding: 80C8020C7F2D8405485B030010CC
   Shop #: WSC 01324 785 00200
   VCID: 8005372DD30EE51E1B7-80D5

   Subsystem 1 - Component:   Sounder n.mounted     

   Subsystem 2 - Component:       NGS n.mounted     

   Subsystem 3 - Component:      IRUE n.mounted     

[COLOR="#FF0000"]1 Fault Found:
01312 - Powertrain Data Bus 
            013 - Check DTC Memory[/COLOR]

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 1K0-959-702-MIN3.lbl
   Part No SW: 1T0 959 702 D    HW: 1T0 959 702 D
   Component: Tuer-SG         006 1202  
   Coding: 0000564
   Shop #: WSC 01324 785 00200
   VCID: 39731AC97054F4D69C9-806C

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio        Labels: 1K0-035-1xx-56.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 035 186 AD
   Component: Radio GR0       034 0033  
   Revision: 0003404S    Serial number: VWZ2Z2H4973782
   Coding: 0020200
   Shop #: WSC 01324 785 00200
   VCID: 68D58F8D5B7EBD5E337-803D

No fault code found.

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I would be looking real close at the ignition switch for a burn down and the battery along with connections being proper.
The charging system should be reviewed immediately........ to see what type of load it can handle with all consumers turned on......
 
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Yep, time to break out a multimeter and figure out why stuff isn't powering up. I'd start at the battery and follow current tracks from there.

Yesterday, the car lost power again, and 1/2 an hour later started fine again. I ran a fresh VAG-COM scan. The results were more or less the same with a most of the same errors re-appearing. The bit that jumped out was the fact that some had a weird date and time recorded alongside.
Date: 2005.09.13
Time: 31:63:63

i.e. it's a 2008 vehicle, yet the log recorded a date of "September 2005"....and the DTC's had all been cleared the previous day. Also, how come the time was recorded at 31 hours 63 minutes and 63 seconds. Sounds like something seriously wrong with an internal clock.
That vehicle does not have a real-time clock and is not aware of the date. The Freeze Frame data is formatted as though it were a date and time, but it's really some crazy offset from the car's build date. This should not be construed as a malfunction in the car. You may want to try to the current VCDS Beta version; in principle, it should show you more plausible date/time info in the freeze-frame data.

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Hi Jake & Uwe,

Thanks for your pointers. ;) I had another hoke at the car today and think I have a faulty Ignition Relay. I removed the cowling just above the fuse-box at the drivers knee area. This lat me see a half dozen relays. The one that seems to have gone is in position marked "KL15" (Volkswagen/Audi part number - 1KO951253A and has a large "460" printed on it)

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fi.ebayimg.com%2Ft%2F460-Relais-Relay-VW-Passat-Audi-Skoda-Seat-1KO951253A-%2F00%2Fs%2FMTIwMFgxNjAw%2F%24T2eC16RHJHEE9ny2q9ECBQ-G5HeK7w~~60_35.JPG&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.popscreen.com%2Fp%2FMTYzOTEwNzg0%2F460-Relais-Relay-VW-Passat-Audi-Skoda-Seat-1KO951253A&docid=kMyky0j5wum_FM&tbnid=sU0m0eA3TBw6tM%3A&w=300&h=225&ei=7-OQU_XpHuaf7ga2h4GoAw&ved=undefined&iact=c

There's a 2nd relay exactly the sane in this area (socket KL75), so I tried swapping them around as quick test. I now have ignition lights illuminating when I turn the key to position1. Also, I can start the car, although the engine runs for 1 second, then cuts out. I'm guessing it cuts out because the faulty relay is now in the KL75 socket. I contacted the local VW dealer for a new relay, but none in stock until tomorrow. This relay costs £10, so I have ordered it and fingers crossed it solves my problem. I'll let you know if this sorts me out.

Thanks Guys.

Pete
 
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