TDI swap CCM no longer responding

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Hello I have a 2002 B5.5 passat v6 4motion with an automatic transmission.
I have swapped the engine and transmission for a AVF 1.9 tdi and a 01E 4motion manual transmission that I bought from Frans at dutch auto parts.

Before I did the swap the CCM worked as normal, after doing the swap the radio is in safe mode which would be expected because there is now a different ECU installed,
but now the CCM does not work or respond to vcds. I have central locking functionality from both the key and the buttons on the doors but the power windows and sunroof do not work, the horn also does not work.

I have inspected the wiring around the CCM, the can bus high splice (orange and purple) appeared slightly discolored so I reconnected those wires with a butt connector.
I also visually inspected the pcb of the CCM and it showed no signs of water damage.

In the auto scan log I got a 01044 - Control Module Incorrectly Coded in the CAN gateway.

From my understanding the can gateway is built into the dash cluster right?

the cluster is a B5 cluster which is now installed in a B5.5 car. Would this cause the CCM to not respond?
 
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Here is the full log from the auto scan.

Code:
Saturday,23,April,2016,14:34:52:32163
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows XP x86
VCDS Version: 15.7.4.1
Data version: 20160216
www.Ross-Tech.com


Mileage: 277670km-172536mi   Repair Order: 


Chassis Type: 3B - VW Passat B5 (1997 > 2005)
Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 16 17 19 35 36 37 46 47 55 56 57 58 75 76 77
         
 
   Mileage: 277670km-172536miles
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Address 01: Engine        Labels: 038-906-019-AVF.lbl
   Part No: 038 906 019 GQ
   Component: 1,9l R4 EDC G000SG  1582  
   Coding: 00003
   Shop #: WSC 05314  
   VCID: 6CD9C96B1CF6545EB2-4B32

5 Faults Found:
16955 - Brake Switch (F) 
            P0571 - 35-00 - Implausible Signal
18080 - Coolant Fan Control 1 
            P1672 - 35-10 - Open or Short to Ground - Intermittent
18027 - Glow Plug Relay (J52) 
            P1619 - 35-10 - Open or Short to Ground - Intermittent
18043 - Powertrain Data Bus 
            P1635 - 35-10 - Missing Message from A/C Controller - Intermittent
18057 - Powertrain Data Bus 
            P1649 - 35-00 - Missing Message from ABS Controller
Readiness: 0 0 X X X 

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 8E0-614-111-EDS.lbl
   Part No: 8E0 614 111 A
   Component: ABS/EDS 5.3 QUATTRO D10  
   Shop #: BB 24334  
   VCID: 1C39D9AB8CD664DE82-513C

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 3Bx-907-044.lbl
   Part No: 3B1 907 044 J
   Component: CLIMATRONIC B5GP    0004  
   Coding: 17200
   Shop #: WSC 05311  
   VCID: 2851F57BC88EB87E16-5178

3 Faults Found:
01271 - Positioning Motor for Temperature Flap (V68) 
            37-00 - Faulty
01274 - Air Flow Flap Positioning Motor (V71) 
            37-00 - Faulty
01341 - Control Module in Instrument Panel On Comfort CAN (J285) 
            49-00 - No Communications

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.lbl
   Part No: 6Q0 909 605 C
   Component: 09 AIRBAG VW6  04   0004  
   Coding: 12345
   Shop #: WSC 05311  
   VCID: 37732607153027868F-4B18

4 Faults Found:
00591 - Seat Belt Switch; Driver (E24) 
            32-00 - Resistance Too High
00592 - Seat Belt Switch; Passenger (E25) 
            32-00 - Resistance Too High
01217 - Side Airbag Igniter; Driver Side (N199) 
            32-00 - Resistance Too High
01218 - Side Airbag Igniter; Passenger Side (N200) 
            32-00 - Resistance Too High

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 1J0-907-487-A.lbl
   Part No: 1J0 907 487 A
   Component: Lenkradelektronik   0003  
   Coding: 00118
   Shop #: WSC 05314  
   VCID: 2F631E67ED60EF46D7-5248

2 Faults Found:
01341 - Control Module in Instrument Panel On Comfort CAN (J285) 
            27-00 - Implausible Signal
01341 - Control Module in Instrument Panel On Comfort CAN (J285) 
            49-00 - No Communications

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 3B0-920-xx2-17.lbl
   Part No: 3B0 920 822 A
   Component: B5-KOMBIINSTR. VDO V25   
   Coding: 01145
   Shop #: WSC 00442  
   VCID: 1D3FD4AF97CC6DD675-515A

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: IMMO
   Component: IDENTNR: VWZ7Z0Y2315473         
   IMMO-IDENTNR: VWZ7Z0Y2315473       

2 Faults Found:
00562 - Sensor for Oil Level/Temperature (G266) 
            30-10 - Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent
01176 - Key 
            65-10 - Unauthorized - Intermittent

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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl
   Part No: 6N0 909 901 
   Component: Gateway K<->CAN    0001  
   Coding: 00004
   Shop #: WSC 05314  
   VCID: 70E1DD1B30DEB0BE8E-515A

2 Faults Found:
01044 - Control Module Incorrectly Coded 
            35-00 -  - 
00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85) 
            49-00 - No Communications

End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 04:43)--------------------------
 
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First this belongs in retrofits.

I'll byte though........all below information to be requested, and please supply part numbers of units before and after.
I imagine this is for off road use..........because that's the way I will be treating it since monitors are X.

Pictures?

That cluster is for pre 2000 Passat/Santana drive lines in EU.
3B0-920-822A supersedes 3B0-920-822AX

I Imagine a better fit would be 3B0-920-929CX for diesel and a USA cluster.


Jacks Professional Problem Solver Guide. "JPPSG"
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http://forums.ross-tech.com/showthr...essional-Problem-Solver-Guide-quot-JPPSG-quot
 
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I will have to double check all the part numbers but can you elaborate on what you meant by
I imagine this is for off road use..........because that's the way I will be treating it since monitors are X.
?

Also other than having the wrong rpm range and no glow plug light, would there be any issue in reconnecting my original cluster?
 
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I will have to double check all the part numbers but can you elaborate on what you meant by

I imagine this is for off road use..........because that's the way I will be treating it since monitors are X.


?

Also other than having the wrong rpm range and no glow plug light, would there be any issue in reconnecting my original cluster?

Security access is in wait time,..... questions verse needed supporting documentation, when specifically requested, will only compound the time period.
 
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Security access is in wait time,..... questions verse needed supporting documentation, when specifically requested, will only compound the time period.
I have no idea what you mean by that post, but anyway I put the original cluster back in and everything works including the radio.

I feel pretty dumb for not trying that from the start.
 
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What you should feel dumb about is not matching up parts, observing the different WD between the models/years, to know what is what before....... plugging anything in.
What if something back fed and burned the car up......?

If you are going to do it .........at least do it right and if not at least use some caution.

Like I said........ consider that cluster to get the glow light sorted and proper gage set.

Then wire up the GP relay etc.

Good luck with your off road race car.
 
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That cluster is for pre 2000 Passat/Santana drive lines in EU.
3B0-920-822A supersedes 3B0-920-822AX
Jack is 100% correct, Immo 2 cluster is your problem, Immo 2 cluster can not work with Immo 3 system CCM.
You have to get Cluster form USA model as Jack mention, Program it for ECU and all should be fine.
 
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Jack is 100% correct, Immo 2 cluster is your problem, Immo 2 cluster can not work with Immo 3 system CCM.
You have to get Cluster form USA model as Jack mention, Program it for ECU and all should be fine.
Yep, or more accurately, the change in immo generation also coincided with a change in comfort system CAN bus generation. Different comfort CAN speeds and more messages being sent on the data bus in the later generation mid 2002 and up. Not that immo has much to do with comfort CAN, but all is integrated into the cluster and the change happened at the same time.

In other words, OP needs a 2002.5 or newer TDI cluster, which Jack gave an excellent suggestion for as far as part number.
 
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