2014 Mk7 Golf Cruise Control Retrofit Issues

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Hi all,

We do a lot of cruise control retrofitting but yesterday was our first attempt at a Mk7 Golf. All went smoothly until the activation stage. I followed the guide on the wiki which was basically the same as lots of other models but ended up with no cruise working and a fault code in 01 Engine.

I suspect the issue is something to do with regular CC vs ACC.

All feedback appreciated.

George


Autoscan:

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VCDS Version: Release 15.7.4 Running on Windows 10 x86
Data version: 20160216
www.Ross-Tech.com

Tuesday,12,April,2016,12:48:33:36034

Chassis Type: AU (5Q0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 42 44 52 5F

VIN: WVWZZZAUZEW199121   Mileage: 37814km-23496miles

01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
5F-Information Electr. -- Status: OK 0000
 
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Address 01: Engine (J623-CLHA)       Labels: 04L-907-309-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 04L 906 021 M    HW: 04L 907 309 B
   Component: R4 1,6L EDC   H22 7635  
   Revision: 84H22---    
   Coding: 01110012032511092000
   Shop #: WSC 12244 002 104857
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM16TDI01104L906021M 002012
   ROD: EV_ECM16TDI01104L906021M_VW37.rod
   VCID: 2F6DF4EB76918E46D7-807A

1 Fault Found:
17149 - Check Coding of ECUs on Powertrain Data Bus 
          P1647 00 [167] - -
          MIL ON - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Mileage: 37814 km
                    Date: 2016.04.12
                    Time: 12:42:49

Readiness: 0 0 0 0 1 

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: 5Q0-907-379-IPB-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 907 379 AA    HW: 5Q0 907 379 G
   Component: ESC           H31 0457  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 63043000000600
   Coding: 01FA8AA1242909750378060241C42580512490C06082A4F300400068C002
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100IPB 033001
   ROD: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100IPB_VW37.rod
   VCID: 7BF510BBF269A2E62B-802E

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J301)       Labels: 5G0-907-426.clb
   Part No SW: 5G0 907 426 M    HW: 5G0 907 426 M
   Component: AC Manuell    H01 0705  
   Revision: 00001K06    
   Coding: 00120104202100001000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ACManueBHBVW37X 003019
   ROD: EV_ACManueBHBVW37X_SE37.rod
   VCID: 3561C68394CDB4969D-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels: 5Q0-937-08X-MV1.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 937 084 AC    HW: 5Q0 937 084 AC
   Component: BCM MQBAB M   H16 0124  
   Serial number: 00011331500983
   Coding: 03000842C201005B4BE44000000403081000000000000000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_BCMCONTI 012001
   ROD: EV_BCMBOSCH_AU37.rod
   VCID: 79F90AB3F85590F639-802C

   Slave 1: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5G2 955 119 A    HW: 5G2 955 119 A  Labels: 5QX-955-119-V1.CLB
   Component: WWS    131103  042 0551 
   Serial number:         131106040006
   Coding: 0E4DDD

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels: 5Q0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 959 655 D    HW: 5Q0 959 655 D
   Component: AirbagVW20    014 0385  
   Serial number: 003F6R027VKP
   Coding: 98CCC000000000005C0000CF00C800000065
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW20SMEVW37X 002130
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW20SMEVW37X_AU37.rod
   VCID: 4189A253D005083631-8014

   Crash sensor for side airbag; driver side: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 002 310 13
   Component: SideSensor_Df  001 0887 
   Serial number: 357670000008E9501E0-
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Crash sensor for side airbag; front passenger side: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 002 310 13
   Component: SideSensor_Pf  001 0887 
   Serial number: 358670000000E9501E0T
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Crash sensor for side airbag; rear; driver side: 
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 400 511 13
   Component: SideSensor_Dr  001 6149 
   Serial number: 3516502BF1050642230S
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Crash sensor for side airbag; rear; passenger side: 
   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 400 511 13
   Component: SideSensor_Pr  001 6149 
   Serial number: 3526502B51050645C29/
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Crash sensor for front airbag; driver side: 
   Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 400 711 13
   Component: FrontSensor_D  001 6149 
   Serial number: 3556502AD1118A32A267
   Coding: 2D2D2D

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels: 5Q0-953-549.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 953 507 AB    HW: 5Q0 953 549 
   Component: Lenks. Modul  007 0070  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 07111304220240
   Coding: 1600
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SMLSKLOMQB 009001
   ROD: EV_SMLSKLOMQB_SE37.rod
   VCID: 76E3018FC94BFF8E54-8022

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels: 5G0-920-XXX-17.clb
   Part No SW: 5G0 920 851 A    HW: 5G0 920 851 A
   Component: KOMBI         152 2210  
   Coding: 27A402002300000800080800040000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB 008031
   ROD: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB_AU37.rod
   VCID: 264311CF596BCF0E24-8072

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels: 5Q0-907-530-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 907 530 N    HW: 5Q0 907 530 D
   Component: GW MQB Low    123 1164  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 0001221931
   Coding: 030000040B087300EF000048080E00010001000000000000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_GatewLear 010015
   ROD: EV_GatewLear.rod
   VCID: 3C77D3A7B7E765DE62-8068

   Alternator: 

   Battery Monitoring Control Module: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5Q0 915 181 E    HW: 5Q0 915 181 E
   Component: J367-BDMHella  H03 8043 
   Serial number: 4528841703          

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels: 5QX-959-X93-42.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 959 393 B    HW: 5Q0 959 393 B
   Component: TSG FS        020 0025  
   Serial number: 06111302090906
   Coding: 003003208001040100001000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DCUDriveSideEWMINKLO 006003
   ROD: EV_DCUDriveSideEWMAXCONT_AU37.rod
   VCID: 3E73D9AFA1FB77CE4C-806A

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist (J500)       Labels: 5Q0-909-144.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 909 144 P    HW: 5Q0 909 144 P
   Component: EPS_MQB_ZFLS  122 1043  
   Coding: 0103
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SteerAssisMQB 010031
   ROD: EV_SteerAssisMQB.rod
   VCID: 4189A253D005083631-8014

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels: 5QX-959-X92-52.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 959 392 B    HW: 5Q0 959 392 B
   Component: TSG BFS       020 0025  
   Serial number: 03111301100112
   Coding: 003001208001040100801000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DCUPasseSideEWMINKLO 006003
   ROD: EV_DCUPasseSideEWMAXCONT_AU37.rod
   VCID: 3D71DEA3ACFD6CD655-8068

No fault code found.

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Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels: 5G0-035-MIB-ENT1.clb
   Part No SW: 5G0 035 867     HW: 5G0 035 867 
   Component: MU-E--ER      636 5800  
   Serial number: 06091300010433
   Coding: 02730000FF0000004011000100000000000000060000010000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_MUEnt4CLGE 001025
   ROD: EV_MUEnt4CLGE_SK37.rod
   VCID: 69D95AF388F52076C9-803C

No fault code found.

End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 02:39)--------------------------
 
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There's nothing obvious here that jumps out at me... :(

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GeoDCS: You are clearly a professional and it appears also well experienced in this type of retrofit, so I'm hesitant to make comment. But, without wishing to seem impertinent and just on the off-chance that it might have been missed - was the black/white wire shown in the WD below fitted between 01-Engine and steering wheel control modules?
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Hi Don,

No problem at all. It's always good to start with the basics! Yes I fitted the additional wire from the steering wheel controller pin 5 to the engine ECU pin 46.

George
 
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There's nothing obvious here that jumps out at me... :(

-Uwe-
It is certainly strange. I checked all of the control modules in the car to make sure that I wasn't missing a cruise control related coding option. But turned up nothing.

Hopefully we will get another Mk7 with cruise into the workshop before too long so that I can have a look at the coding on that. Otherwise I'm not sure where to go with it.
 
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Hopefully we will get another Mk7 with cruise into the workshop before too long so that I can have a look at the coding on that.
GoeDCS: I've got a mk7 with CCS. Here are the pertinent screens shots related to CCS from my car:

For the 01 Engine module on my car:
Address 01: Engine (J623-CHPA) Labels: 04E-907-309-V1.clb
Part No SW: 04E 906 016 G HW: 04E 907 309 A
Component: 1.4l R4 TSI H08 5272
Revision: WAH08---
Coding: 01250032242405082000


The code string from your engine module (from your autoscan) is 01110012032511092000, or displayed differently the code is:


So it looks like Byte 5, Bit 5 is set (which it should be)

For the 16-Steering Wheel module on my car
Address 16: Steering wheel (J527) Labels: 5Q0-953-549.clb
Part No SW: 5Q0 953 507 AE HW: 5Q0 953 549 A
Component: Lenks. Modul 007 0070
Revision: -------- Serial number: 08011304220489
Coding: 0500


We have the same series module - the code for your 16-steering wheel is 1600 and the code for mine is 0500. So, on your car Byte 0 has a value of Hex16 which is binary 0001 0110. The upper-nibble value for this Byte suggests that you engage CCS via the turn indicator stalk. Is this correct? If this is not the case (i.e. you use the CCS steering wheel buttons) why not try changing the value of this Byte to Hex06 (even though this means "Cruise Control not installed", it's the setting that is used on my car - which has CC factory fitted

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Hi Don,

Thanks for the helpful reply. The kit we got from VW has the cruise buttons on the indicator stalk. Where are they on your car (which presumably has a factory fitted setup)?

I haven't tried any other coding options in 16 steering wheel controller (didn't even occur to me to try) but I will certainly give it a go.

George
 
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Hi Don,

Thanks for the helpful reply. The kit we got from VW has the cruise buttons on the indicator stalk. Where are they on your car (which presumably has a factory fitted setup)?

I haven't tried any other coding options in 16 steering wheel controller (didn't even occur to me to try) but I will certainly give it a go.

George
George: on my car, the CCS is enabled via the steering wheel buttons.
Don

PS: Hmm........ is CCS a defined term on this forum?
 
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Ok so just to follow up on this. We got the car back in this morning and tried every possible combination of coding without success. So in the end I had to admit defeat and undo the retrofit.
 
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No problem at all. It's always good to start with the basics! Yes I fitted the additional wire from the steering wheel controller pin 5 to the engine ECU pin 46.
Just a note, was is pin 46 ?
If the diagram Don showed is correct for your car, it is pin 56 (94 pin connector).
 
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GeoDCS: as you have been through quite a bit of these retrofits: Does the 8v/MQB A3 behave the same as this MK7 Golf? I want to retrofit CCS to my own car, but I don't know if me, myself and VCDS would be successful.

Do I need the dealer's help with connecting the car to have SVM performed? Can I perform the retrofit entirely on my own?
 
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Hello guys,
Golf MK7, same problem with the fault code on engine regarding coding of ECU in powertrain data bus after retrofitting CCS.
Engine code is CRBC, pinout conected from steering wheel controler pin 5 to engine controler pin 46 for this engine ECU.
All coding done like in the ross tech wiki page.
I will post an autoscan later on.
Any ideas someone? GeoDCS have you sorted out in the end?

Kind regards
 
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Thank you for your reply. CCS in this case is MFSW based,not on turning stalk. Main difference in this is the coding for steering wheel module that i have sorted out it should be CCS not installed.

The engine for that guide is gasoline 1.2 tsi that involves replacing accelerator pedal. For 2.0 cr CRBC engine is this necesary to?

I want to mention that the speed limiter function is functioning properly but the cruise control function icon appears with the “attention” mark on the display and it does not function at all.
 
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Thank you for your reply. CCS in this case is MFSW based,not on turning stalk. Main difference in this is the coding for steering wheel module that i have sorted out it should be CCS not installed.

The engine for that guide is gasoline 1.2 tsi that involves replacing accelerator pedal. For 2.0 cr CRBC engine is this necesary to?

I want to mention that the speed limiter function is functioning properly but the cruise control function icon appears with the “attention” mark on the display and it does not function at all.
Acc. pedal is needed to be changed only if kick-down is missing.

Point of my post was that You need to have FEC enabled and transfered to gateway for Cruise to be working. As Cruise is now SWAP function, meaning You have to pay VW. Swap codes are only included in VW retrofit kits and can only be activated via online connection through ODIS to VW motherserver.
 
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Got it now. Is the swap code universal valid or do we have to buy a retrofit kit from the dealer to have this swap code.

Meaning, can the dealer use any swap code from any retrofitting kit to enable this function?
 
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Got it now. Is the swap code universal valid or do we have to buy a retrofit kit from the dealer to have this swap code.

Meaning, can the dealer use any swap code from any retrofitting kit to enable this function?
As the document included with my cruise kit contained random numbers and letters, I only guess it's specific and 1 time usable, then tied to car VIN.
PS! After FEC was implemented, PR code also changed when viewing VIN in PL24. It was 8T0 - No Cruise to 8T6 - Cruise with speed limiter.

http://forums.ross-tech.com/showthr...ruise-Control-retrofit/page3&highlight=cruise
Seems like Don can help You also. Contact to him seems quicker via WeChat.
 
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As the document included with my cruise kit contained random numbers and letters, I only guess it's specific and 1 time usable, then tied to car VIN.
PS! After FEC was implemented, PR code also changed when viewing VIN in PL24. It was 8T0 - No Cruise to 8T6 - Cruise with speed limiter.

http://forums.ross-tech.com/showthr...ruise-Control-retrofit/page3&highlight=cruise
Seems like Don can help You also. Contact to him seems quicker via WeChat.
Just a heads up, Don is away on holidays until the beginning of March.
 
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Just a heads up, Don is away on holidays until the beginning of March.
Was that booked and approved in advance??? I hope someone booked a locum.

I didn't get the memo.
 
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Was that booked and approved in advance??? I hope someone booked a locum.

I didn't get the memo.
He certainly didn't seek my approval....he replied to a message from me with some lame excuse about being in Vietnam and on vacation... ;)
 
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