HEX-NET data update question

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So I was using the Hex-Net to try to access ATF temps and noticed that of course the 99 Eurovan doesn't support the ADV meas values.

Then I re-read the FAQs again and found this:

http://www.ross-tech.com/vcds-mobile/faq_7.html

7.x Why won't VCDS-Mobile won't me show fault code text or measuring values?

On control modules that use the latest UDS/ODX protocol, it's not possible to interpret fault codes or show any meaningful measuring value data without a 'data dictionary' file specific to the control module in question. VCDS-Mobile will get download these from the Cloud server on an as-needed basis. Once it has downloaded the data for a specific module, that data will be cached (stored on-board) and will remain available even when VCDS-Mobile does not have a connection to the Cloud server. The best way to ensure that VCDS-Mobile has the data available for the control modules in your car(s) is to do a complete Auto-Scan on any car(s) that you will be using VCDS-Mobile on, then manually check for updates
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So I have been able to successfully use the HEX-NET in AP mode and infrastructure mode (or rather I was able to add and it seems connect to both my regular wifi and my mobile hotspot). I also used it as a traditional wired unit with Beta 14.2.0.

However here is my question, how can I do the manual updates, I know where it is in the menu, but if I am hooked up to the HEX-NET through VCDS mobile it is communicating over wifi with whatever device I am using it with, NOT with the internet, right? If I connect it to VCDS BETA 14 over the cable I am checking for software updates for the PC not the HEX-NET.

While playing around with it I did once get a "update available" notification and when I clicked to download it, it just stopped and couldn't complete it due to no internet connection.

One other thing I was not able to achieve is the " To use it wirelessly, make sure that your PC and the HEX-NET are both connected to the same WiFi network and then select the new "NET" port on the Options screen in VCDS." (6.8 How do I get the classic Windows-based VCDS program working with the HEX-NET?), I tried both with my WIFI and my mobile hotspot (thinking maybe my wifi wasn't strong enough but the cars).

I am sure I am missing something and I am sure I will be called stupid but hey if I don't ask I will remain stupid
 
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UDS controllers are a slightly different animal but for KW1281, KWP2000 or CAN modules, VCDS-Mobile will pull up the appropriate label file and will let you choose from the list of documented group numbers and fields, such as:

Engine Load [loc 37-1]
Sensor Voltage,Bank 3/4 Sensor 2 [loc 37-2]
Adjustment,Bank 3/4 Sensor 2 [loc 37-3]
Result,Delta Lambda [loc 37-4]

That's group 037 fields 1 through 4.

If no label file is present at all, then all 255 possible groups each with 4 fields are shown without any description, like:

[loc 37-1]
[loc 37-2]
[loc 37-3]
[loc 37-4]

Now, if a label file IS present but there is a group that is undocumented (group 002 for example) it won't show up on the list of items you can check. But on the Advanced Measuring Values screen you can just type in the search box 002 and click Submit (not Search) and VCDS-Mobile should display the data in:

[loc 002-1]
[loc 002-2]
[loc 002-3]
[loc 002-4]

In the case of your transmission controller, I would expect to find fluid temperature in group 005 specifically in field 1.
 
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But on the Advanced Measuring Values screen you can just type in the search box 002 and click Submit (not Search) and VCDS-Mobile should display the data in:
I went through just about all available options under AUTO trans under AMV and none of them gave any values, that's normal?


Also for the update I tried this:
http://forums.ross-tech.com/showthread.php?52-How-to-Upgrade-Hex-Net-to-Latest-Version

But I get "Update check timed out" please check your internet connection
 
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Your 99 Eurovan is about 10 yeas too old to have any control modules that use the UDS/ODX protocol, so that's not the problem. However, even old-school modules need a label file (which, if it exists in VCDS, should also be included in VCDS-Mobile). Can you post an Auto-Scan please, so we can see what's going on?

As for updates: When the HEX-NET is in infrastructure mode and the network that it's on has internet access, then the HEX-NET can communicate with some device on that network (like your phone or tablet) and our server simultaneously. That means it can also get updates from the server.

The classic VCDS running on a PC cannot update the HEX-NET. The only way to update a HEX-NET is to have it pull updates directly from our server.

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Your 99 Eurovan is about 10 yeas too old to have any control modules that use the UDS/ODX protocol, so that's not the problem. However, even old-school modules need a label file (which, if it exists in VCDS, should also be included in VCDS-Mobile).
Well it works just fine in "traditional" HEX-can, and with the HEX-net used as a wired interface, so just trying to see what I can learn.

Can you post an Auto-Scan please, so we can see what's going on?
From VCDS mobile on that car?

As for updates: When the HEX-NET is in infrastructure mode and the network that it's on has internet access, then the HEX-NET can communicate with some device on that network (like your phone or tablet) and our server simultaneously.
Ok that's the part I never got to work, you mean using the same 192.168.0.1 address right?

Now this would be still using the default network profile just clicking the red button to switch to infra mode? Or?

As soon as I activate one of the wifi profiles I added I can't access the unit anymore (yeah I am sure I am missing something here)


That means it can also get updates from the server.

The classic VCDS running on a PC cannot update the HEX-NET. The only way to update a HEX-NET is to have it pull updates directly from our server.

-Uwe-

Yeah I figured as much but I am still puzzled by how I can have the unit communicate both with your server AND be accessible over 192....

So when/why would I use the additional profiles for wireless. There's no other manual available yet to read aside from the FAQs correct?

THANKS!
 
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From VCDS mobile on that car?
Either or both. Any Auto-Scan would be a good starting point. ;)

Ok that's the part I never got to work, you mean using the same 192.168.0.1 address right?
No, when it's in infrastructure mode, you must specify the IP address that your router assigned to the HEX-NET. Have you watched the infrastructure video here?
 
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Either or both. Any Auto-Scan would be a good starting point. ;)
It's only I did it only in VCDS mobile yesterday and I don't know if I saved it, nor how to post it from VCDS mobile?



No, when it's in infrastructure mode, you must specify the IP address that your router assigned to the HEX-NET. Have you watched the infrastructure video here?
Oh thanks yeah I did BEFORE the unit arrived :) will try this now!
 
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No, when it's in infrastructure mode, you must specify the IP address that your router assigned to the HEX-NET. Have you watched the infrastructure video here?
OK thanks, I had everything already done just didn't check my router which would've told me the IP address :) thanks for the help! It is "updating" and "preparing to update" now but 0% for the past min or so...we will see...
 
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Either or both. Any Auto-Scan would be a good starting point. ;)
VCDS Mobile 0.4009.0.4

Chassis Type:7D
Scan:
01 02 03 08 15 17 18 19 22 25 35 37 56





Address 01: Engine Labels:021-906-259-AES.lbl
Part Number SW: 021-906-259-P
Component: MOTRONIC M5.9 AT V03
Coding: 00001
Shop #: WSC 02744 000
VCID: 2207798BADB9F0024EAD0



No fault codes found.





Address 02: Auto Trans Labels:01P-927-733.lbl
Part Number SW: 01P-927-733-AH
Component: AG4 Getriebe 01P 3964D
Coding: 00000
Shop #: WSC 00011 000
VCID: 79B57EE760AF53DA3F47F



No fault codes found.





Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels:8E0-614-111-EDS.lbl
Part Number SW: 7D0-614-111-B
Component: ABS/EDS 5.3 D0002
Shop #: WSC 00000 000
VCID: 1B79446F8AD3C1CA8DEB5



1 Fault Found:
00290 - ABS Wheel Speed Sensor; Rear Left (G46)
35-10 - - - Intermittent





Address 08: Auto HVAC
Part Number SW: 7D0-907-044
Component: CLIMATRONIC V21
Coding: 00001
Shop #: WSC 00000 000
VCID: E389BC8F7223390A851BD



5 Faults Found:
00532 - Supply Voltage B+
07-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent

00796 - Fan for Interior Temp Sensor (V42)
35-00 - -


01273 - Fresh Air Blower (V2)
35-00 - -


00658 - Control Head
35-10 - - - Intermittent

01086 - Speedometer Sensor (G22)
35-10 - - - Intermittent





Address 15: Airbags Labels:1J0-909-60x-VW3.lbl
Part Number SW: 1J0-909-603-AJ
Component: AIRBAG VW3 - V04
Coding: 16714
Shop #: WSC 02743 000
VCID: 71A546C738DF1B9A87977



No fault codes found.
 
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Now, if a label file IS present but there is a group that is undocumented (group 002 for example) it won't show up on the list of items you can check. But on the Advanced Measuring Values screen you can just type in the search box 002 and click Submit (not Search) and VCDS-Mobile should display the data in:

[loc 002-1]
[loc 002-2]
[loc 002-3]
[loc 002-4]

In the case of your transmission controller, I would expect to find fluid temperature in group 005 specifically in field 1.

OK well yeah I can "find" the labels but no value is next to them :(
 
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OK so now that I have figured out most of these things (aside from the ATF temp value)

If I have the Hex-Net in infra mode and I am able to access it on my computer and other devices, then should I not also be able to access it through VCDS beta 14 over "NET" or what do I have to do to achieve that?
 
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Yep, if you can access it with your browser on a computer, then VCDS Beta 14 should be able to find and access it via the "NET" port as well.

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Yep, if you can access it with your browser on a computer, then VCDS Beta 14 should be able to find and access it via the "NET" port as well.

-Uwe-
I think I've been able to figure everything out EXCEPT the VCDS Beta 14 finding it :(

So VCDS will automatically scan for it on various IPs then I presume or?
 
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What version of Windows are you running? Windows firewall might be interfering.
 
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What version of Windows are you running? Windows firewall might be interfering.
WinXP in a VM machine, don't really have any firewalls running at all everything else works fine in it including wireless printing etc.

P.S. I know you don't support non MS OS' so all I need to know is how it's supposed to work :) going to verify I can access it through the browser on WinXP now first I haven't tried that yet
 
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what is the host OS? OSX, Linux?
 
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ok, try the following

Under OSX, open a terminal window and type: ifconfig . Post results here.

Under Windows XP, click Start -> Run. Then type CMD and click run. This will open a command prompt. Type in: ipconfig and post the results.

I want to compare the two.
 
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ok, try the following

Under OSX, open a terminal window and type: ifconfig . Post results here.
lo0: flags=8049<UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING,MULTICAST> mtu 16384
options=3<RXCSUM,TXCSUM>
inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128
inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000
inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1
nd6 options=1<PERFORMNUD>
gif0: flags=8010<POINTOPOINT,MULTICAST> mtu 1280
stf0: flags=0<> mtu 1280
en0: flags=8863<UP,BROADCAST,SMART,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
ether 00:88:65:3c:0a:36
inet6 fe80::288:65ff:fe3c:a36%en0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x4
inet 10.0.1.60 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 10.0.1.255
nd6 options=1<PERFORMNUD>
media: autoselect
status: active
en2: flags=8822<BROADCAST,SMART,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
options=60<TSO4,TSO6>
ether 32:00:13:4a:ee:e0
media: autoselect <full-duplex>
status: inactive
p2p0: flags=8843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu 2304
ether 02:88:65:3c:0a:36
media: autoselect
status: inactive
vmnet1: flags=8863<UP,BROADCAST,SMART,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
ether 00:50:56:c0:00:01
inet 172.16.197.1 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 172.16.197.255
vmnet8: flags=8863<UP,BROADCAST,SMART,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
ether 00:50:56:c0:00:08
inet 192.168.207.1 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.207.255



Under Windows XP, click Start -> Run. Then type CMD and click run. This will open a command prompt. Type in: ipconfig and post the results.

I want to compare the two.
Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>IPCONFIG

Windows IP Configuration


Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : localdomain
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.207.132
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.207.2
 
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I can login to VCDS mobile over a browser in WinXP just fine btw
 
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