Phaeton without rail pressure after HPFP replacement

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Hello all!

I have had a HPFP gone bad on a 3.0 TDI phaeton. The pump has been replaced together with filters, injectors and so on.

I have a little issue with the rail pressure when im trying to start it. I primed the pump and bled the fuel system before attemting to start. In VCDS I had no option to activate the liftpump, but was able to bleed the system by activating the relays for the liftpump and aux fuel pump. I bleed until I could not hear any air rattling around, and i only got solid fuel out of both rails.

However, the car does not start and when checking the fuel pressure the requested value is at 3xx BAR and all actual values registers as 0 BAR. Do you guys has any pointers here? I think it might be air left in the system, but also thinks it is wierd that it does not reach any pressure at all. Even if the timing of the HPFP would be off, would the pressure be 0 BAR??


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Sunday,03,May,2026,12:29:29:61077
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 26.3.0.0 (x64)  HEX-NET2 CB: 0.4701.5
Data version: 20260320 DS375.1
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WVWZZZ3DZB8001674   License Plate:
Mileage: 209580km-130226mi   Repair Order:



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Chassis Type: 3D-VW61 (6N0)
Scan: 01 02 03 05 06 07 08 09 15 16 17 18 19 28 2E 34 36 37 38 42
          46 47 52 55 56 62 65 68 69 6C 71 72 76 77

VIN: WVWZZZ3DZB8001674   Mileage: 209580km-130226miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
06-Seat Mem. Pass -- Status: OK 0000
07-Control Head -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Malfunction 0010
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: Malfunction 0010
17-Instruments -- Status: Malfunction 0010
18-Aux. Heat -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
28-HVAC, Rear -- Status: OK 0000
2E-Media Player 3 -- Status: Malfunction 0010
34-Level Control -- Status: Malfunction 0010
36-Seat Mem. Drvr -- Status: OK 0000
37-Navigation -- Status: Malfunction 0010
38-Roof Electronics -- Status: Malfunction 0010
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: Malfunction 0010
46-Central Conv. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
47-Sound System -- Status: Malfunction 0010
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: Malfunction 0010
65-Tire Pressure -- Status: Malfunction 0010
68-Wiper Electr. -- Status: OK 0000
69-Trailer -- Status: Malfunction 0010
6C-Back-up Cam. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
71-Battery Charger -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: Malfunction 0010
76-Park Assist -- Status: OK 0000
77-Telephone -- Status: OK 0000
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Address 01: Engine (CEX)       Labels:. 059-907-401-CAT1.clb
   Part No SW: 3D0 907 401 H    HW: 3D0 907 401 D
   Component: 3.0TDI EDC17G004AG  0010 
   Revision: --H03---    Serial number: VWX3Z0J3921339
   Coding: 0406002C191F0960
   Shop #: WSC 01065 000 00000
   VCID: 241A9F7902C5167A8BB-5184
   VINID: 9E69EAAAA0D4A9220000118710459FC357

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0 0 0 0 1

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Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 09L-927-760.clb
   Part No SW: 09L 927 760 R    HW: GS1 911 4
   Component: AG6 09L 3,0 TDI RdW 3606 
   Revision: --H05---    Serial number:        4578372
   Coding: 0000001
   Shop #: WSC 01065 000 00000
   VCID: 46DE25F1D4B9046AB5F-5160

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 3D0-614-517.lbl
   Part No: 3D0 614 517 AK
   Component: ESP 5.7 allrad  H35 0047 
   Coding: 0008356
   Shop #: WSC 01065 000 00000
   VCID: 6B88B445AF9B19020A1-51F2

1 Fault Found:
01826 - Sensor for Steering Angle (G85); Supply Voltage Terminal 30
            000 - -

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Address 05: Acc/Start Auth.        Labels: 3D0-909-13x-05.lbl
   Part No SW: 3D0 909 137 F    HW: 3D0 909 137 F
   Component:    Kessy            6850 
   Revision: 00H23072    Serial number: VWX3Z0J3921339
   Coding: 0217324
   Shop #: WSC 01065 000 00000
   VCID: 2A06714160B1C00AB17-807E

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX
   Component: ELV                 XXXX

1 Fault Found:
00181 - Access/Start Authorization Antenna (in Rear bumper) (R136)
            001 - Upper Limit Exceeded
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100001
                    Fault Priority: 4
                    Fault Frequency: 0
                    Reset counter: 183
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2064.00.00
                    Time: 00:00:14


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Address 06: Seat Mem. Pass        Labels: 3D0-959-759.lbl
   Part No: 3D0 959 759 CA
   Component: Sitzmemory D1 BF    1720 
   Coding: 0000003
   Shop #: WSC 01065 000 00000
   VCID: 77A09835E383ADE2FE9-8022

No fault code found.

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Address 07: Control Head        Labels: 3D0-907-048.clb
   Part No SW: 3D0 907 048     HW: 3D0 907 048
   Component: J127 KBT vorn       0035 
   Revision: ABH06001    Serial number: VWZ6Z7K0203019
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 6398DC65471B5142B21-8036

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 3D0-907-040.lbl
   Part No: 3D0 907 040 M
   Component: Climatronic D1      2039 
   Coding: 0000001
   Shop #: WSC 01065 000 00000
   VCID: 28028B497EBDF21AA73-807C

1 Fault Found:
01341 - Control Module in Instrument Panel On Comfort CAN (J285)
            008 - Implausible Signal

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Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels:. 3D0-937-049-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 3D0 937 049 P    HW: 3D0 937 049 P
   Component: J519                7600 
   Revision: -4006---    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 618C0000AB3115825502770000000000
   Shop #: WSC 01065 000 00000
   VCID: 37205835A3036DE23E9-8062

1 Fault Found:
01207 - Control Module for Auxiliary Heater (J364)
            004 - No Signal/Communication

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 3D0-909-601.lbl
   Part No: 3D0 909 601 F
   Component: 0S Airbag 8.4E+ H13 1155 
   Coding: 0012371
   Shop #: WSC 01065 000 00000
   VCID: 261E857174F9E46A95F-5184

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 7L6-953-549.lbl
   Part No: 7L6 953 549 L
   Component: J527                3601 
   Coding: 0000212
   Shop #: WSC 01065 000 00000
   VCID: 48C22BC9DEFD121A473-801C

1 Fault Found:
00532 - Supply Voltage B+
            002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No SW: 3D0 920 886 C    HW: 3D0 920 886 C
   Component: J285 KOMBI-INST.    1421 
   Revision: KPH06V04   
   Coding: 0039101
   Shop #: WSC 01076 003 1048576
   VCID: 2B0874456F0BD9024A1-807E

1 Fault Found:
01207 - Control Module for Auxiliary Heater (J364)
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 185
                    Mileage: 209588 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2026.03.24
                    Time: 00:40:29


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Address 18: Aux. Heat
Cannot be reached

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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels:. 6N0-909-901-3D.clb
   Part No SW: 6N0 909 901     HW: 3D0 920 886 C
   Component: J533  GW-K-CAN TP20 1421 
   Coding: 7FF2FFBFFB011002
   Shop #: WSC 01076 003 1048576
   VCID: 70B2A32986ADFADA3F3-8024

1 Fault Found:
01207 - Control Module for Auxiliary Heater (J364)
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 185
                    Mileage: 209588 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2026.03.24
                    Time: 00:40:29


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Address 28: HVAC, Rear        Labels: 3D0-919-158.lbl
   Part No: 3D0 919 158 M
   Component: Klima-Bedienteil D1 0124 
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 353C523DB90F9FF22C5-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 2E: Media Player 3 (J650)       Labels:. 5N0-035-342.lbl
   Part No SW: 5N0 035 342 C    HW: 5N0 035 342 C
   Component: SG EXT.PLAYER H13 0111 
   Revision: A1001003    Serial number: 7668356343   
   Coding: 020000
   Shop #: WSC 01065 000 00000
   VCID: 270088757FE3FD62AE9-8072

2 Faults Found:
00446 - Function Limitation due to Under-Voltage
            002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100010
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 225
                    Mileage: 209589 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2026.03.24
                    Time: 14:44:12

00532 - Supply Voltage B+
            002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100010
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 225
                    Mileage: 209589 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2026.03.24
                    Time: 14:49:07


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Address 34: Level Control        Labels: 3D0-907-553-V2.clb
   Part No: 3D0 907 553 C
   Component: LUFTFDR.-CDC- 3C3V0 1122 
   Coding: 0005521
   Shop #: WSC 99999 999 2097151
   VCID: 2700887573A3FD62AE9-8072

3 Faults Found:
01598 - Drive Battery Voltage
            002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
00477 - Control Module; Display & Input; Comfort CAN; Front (J523)
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85)
            013 - Check DTC Memory

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Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr        Labels: 3D0-959-760.lbl
   Part No: 3D0 959 760 CA
   Component: Sitzmemory D1 F     1720 
   Coding: 0000004
   Shop #: WSC 01065 000 00000
   VCID: 6FB0A0559BD3E522269-803A

1 Fault Found:
00668 - Supply Voltage Terminal 30
            002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent

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Address 37: Navigation (J0506)       Labels:. 3D0-035-680.clb
   Part No SW: 3D0 035 680 B    HW: 3D0 035 680 B
   Component: RNS-MID       H06 1218 
   Revision: AB001001    Serial number: VWZ6Z7K0203019
   Coding: 060100020000002000
   Shop #: WSC 01065 000 00000
   VCID: 1F10909527B335A2D69-804A

1 Fault Found:
00483 - Control Module for Auxiliary Air Heater
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 185
                    Mileage: 209588 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2026.03.24
                    Time: 00:49:34


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Address 38: Roof Electronics        Labels: 3D0-907-135.lbl
   Part No: 3D0 907 135 F
   Component: Dachmodul           0903 
   Coding: 0012303
   Shop #: WSC 01065 000 00000
   VCID: 261E857174A9E46A95F-8072

1 Fault Found:
00926 - Terminal 30
            002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver
Cannot be reached

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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 3D0-959-933.clb
   Part No: 3D0 959 933 M
   Component: 6V HSG              8133 
   Coding: 0000040
   Shop #: WSC 01065 000 00000
   VCID: 3A2641019041708AC17-4B1E

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 3D1 959 701 J
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet FS 0202

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 3D1 959 702 J
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet BF 0202

   Subsystem 3 - Part No: 3D0 959 703 H
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet HL 0202

   Subsystem 4 - Part No: 3D0 959 704 H
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet HR 0202

   Subsystem 5 - Part No: 3D0 909 610 F
   Component: 3P HDSG             2630

   Subsystem 6 - Part No: 7L0 907 719 A
   Component:    Neigungssensor   0020

8 Faults Found:
00668 - Supply Voltage Terminal 30
            002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
00253 - Taillight Assembly - Rear Right
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
01331 - Door Control Module; Driver Side (J386)
            002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
01332 - Door Control Module; Passenger Side (J387)
            002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
00486 - Front Passengers Outside Door Handle Central Locking Button (E370)
            007 - Short to Ground
01333 - Door Control Module; Rear Left (J388)
            002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
01334 - Door Control Module; Rear Right (J389)
            002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
00488 - Rear Right Outside Door Handle Central Locking Button (E372)
            007 - Short to Ground - Intermittent

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Address 47: Sound System        Labels: 7Lx-035-4xx-47.lbl
   Part No SW: 3D0 035 465 C    HW: 3D0 035 465 C
   Component: 08K Audioverst.     0120 
   Revision: 00005000    Serial number: 00000000231643
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 2114966D1DC70352E0D-8074

2 Faults Found:
00668 - Supply Voltage Terminal 30
            002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
00871 - Bass Speaker Front Right (R23)
            011 - Open Circuit

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.
Cannot be reached

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Address 55: Headlight Range (J745)       Labels:. 5M0-907-357-V3.clb
   Part No SW: 5M0 907 357 E    HW: 7L6 907 357 C
   Component: AFS-ECU       H04 0080 
   Revision: --------    Serial number: -------------- Dataset Number: 8D0036v____ 0002
   Coding: 012A00000B000200
   Shop #: WSC 01065 000 00037
   ASAM Dataset: EV_HeadlRegulVWAFSPt 002006
   ROD: EV_HeadlRegulVWAFSPt_VW61.rod
   VCID: 363E5531A8C994EA25F-8062

   Left_headlamp_power_output_stage:
   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 3D0 941 329 A  Labels: 3D0-941-329.CLB

   Right_headlamp_power_output_stage:
   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 3D0 941 329 A  Labels: 3D0-941-329.CLB

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio (J0506)       Labels:. 3D0-035-680.clb
   Part No SW: 3D0 035 680 B    HW: 3D0 035 680 B
   Component: RNS-MID       H06 1218 
   Revision: AB001001    Serial number: VWZ6Z7K0203019
   Coding: 060100020000002000
   Shop #: WSC 01065 000 00000
   VCID: 1F10909527B335A2D69-804A

1 Fault Found:
00483 - Control Module for Auxiliary Air Heater
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 185
                    Mileage: 209588 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2026.03.24
                    Time: 00:49:34


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Address 62: Door, Rear Left
Cannot be reached

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Address 65: Tire Pressure        Labels:. 7L6-907-273.lbl
   Part No SW: 7L6 907 273 G    HW: 7L6 907 273 G
   Component: J0502 RDK           0007 
   Revision: 00004007    Serial number: 00000700016966
   Coding: 264900648C97BF000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 01065 000 00000
   VCID: 3C2A47199A254EBAD3B-8068

3 Faults Found:
01477 - System Switched Off
            000 - -
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100000
                    Fault Priority: 4
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 180
                    Mileage: 208151 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2026.02.25
                    Time: 20:21:51

             Freeze Frame:
                    (no units): 113.0

01840 - Antennas for Tire Pressure Monitoring
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - MIL ON
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 11101100
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 253
                    Reset counter: 185
                    Mileage: 202753 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2026.01.07
                    Time: 17:30:31

             Freeze Frame:
                    (no units): 140.0

02807 - Radio Interference
            000 - - - MIL ON
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 11100000
                    Fault Priority: 4
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 155
                    Mileage: 202779 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2026.01.08
                    Time: 09:18:14

             Freeze Frame:
                    (no units): 66.0


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Address 68: Wiper Electr.        Labels: 3Dx-955-1xx-V2.clb
   Part No: 3D1 955 119 B
   Component: Front Wiper         3501 
   Coding: 0015733
   Shop #: WSC 01065 000 376832
   VCID: 28028B497EBDF21AA73-807C

No fault code found.

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Address 69: Trailer        Labels: 7L0-907-383-1D2.lbl
   Part No SW: 7L0 907 383 N    HW: 7L0 907 383 N
   Component: J345  Anhaenger     0080 
   Revision: 4A009002    Serial number: 00000130728524
   Coding: 0016385
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 3FD030158B3355A2F69-806A

3 Faults Found:
02562 - Trailer; Brake Lamps
            010 - Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent - MIL ON
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 10101010
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 224
                    Mileage: 209537 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2026.03.12
                    Time: 09:40:35

02563 - Trailer; Right Tail Lamps (M61)
            010 - Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent - MIL ON
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 10101010
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 224
                    Mileage: 209537 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2026.03.12
                    Time: 09:41:06

00532 - Supply Voltage B+
            002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100010
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 2
                    Reset counter: 225
                    Mileage: 209589 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2026.03.24
                    Time: 14:50:03


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Address 6C: Back-up Cam.        Labels: 5N0-907-441.clb
   Part No SW: 3D0 907 441     HW: 3D0 907 441
   Component: J772__Rearview      0020 
   Revision: 00H08000    Serial number: 525PA8-J060179
   Coding: 0010002
   Shop #: WSC 01065 000 00000
   VCID: 6092D369564D4A5AAF3-8034

3 Faults Found:
00446 - Function Limitation due to Under-Voltage
            002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100010
                    Fault Priority: 4
                    Fault Frequency: 2
                    Reset counter: 225
                    Mileage: 209589 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2026.03.24
                    Time: 09:56:43

             Freeze Frame:
                        Term 15 Off
                        Reverse OFF
                    Count: 3

00532 - Supply Voltage B+
            002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100010
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 225
                    Mileage: 209589 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2026.03.24
                    Time: 14:44:27

             Freeze Frame:
                        Term 15 Off
                        Reverse OFF
                    Count: 3

00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85)
            013 - Check DTC Memory
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01101101
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 185
                    Mileage: 209588 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2026.03.24
                    Time: 01:09:02

             Freeze Frame:
                        Term 15 On
                        Reverse OFF
                    Count: 3


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Address 71: Battery Charger        Labels: 3D0-915-181.lbl
   Part No: 3D0 915 181 D
   Component: Batteriemanagement  2800 
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 241A9F790295167A8BB-8070

No fault code found.

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right
Cannot be reached

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Address 76: Park Assist        Labels: None
   Part No: 3D0 919 283 E
   Component: 10 Einparkhilfe     1107 
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 2C0A77596A45DE3A43B-8078

No fault code found.

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Address 77: Telephone        Labels: RETROFIT77.lbl
   Part No SW: KTC 364 96P     HW: KTC 364 96P
   Component: SWP:3.21.9      H24 0199 
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 21977 142 74100
   VCID: 3E2E4D118C795CAAFDF-806A

No fault code found.

End----(Elapsed Time: 04:06, VBatt start/end: 11.9V/12.0V. VIgn 12.0V)-----
------------------------------35 Faults Found------------------------------
 
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does the belt turn?
 
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The belt is indeed turning
 
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Further information. I did loosen a connection on the fuel rail and cranked the engine. It does send a fountain of diesel theough the loose connection. So there is indeed some pressure in the rail.

I am kind of suspicioua for air in the system. But i tried the basic setting where there is no option for the lift pump. Also tried group 035 in adaptaion, but that specifies as engine RPM. Does anybody know any other group that might be pump related?
 
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can you get it to run by spraying ether/brakecleaner/startpilot into the intake?
 
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No I have not tried that.

Im kind of certain that there is air in the system since we cannot bleed it properly. We can only find adaptations that activates the Aux and liftpump for about 2 seconds. There is no basic setting activation for the liftpump. We have tried to go through the groups in basic setting but have not found anything. It needs to run continously to be able to push any air out.

THe interesting thing is that the car does not throw any faul codes..
 
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what would stop you try the startpilot/brakecleaner test first...
 
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i tried the basic setting where there is no option for the lift pump.
Show us what's there..... I'm not familiar with that setup, but there should be something related to transfer pump or similar
 
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Well, looks like it is done via an Output Test:

Fuel Pump Relay (J17)

But the catch 22 might be it won't do the output test until the engine has been run briefly. If that is the case, then locate the J17 relay and hotwire it so it operates to run the lift pump. To hotwire the J17, locate the "85" leg of the relay, wrap a little bit of scrap wire around it and plug it back up. Ground the scrap wire and that should trigger the relay and run the lift pump.
 
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Okay, so its been a while but I have some updates.

Regarding bleeding the system. If its done via output test it just runs for a second, pauses a second and then cycles that until I stop the test. So there is no constant flow or pressure. I do not have a picture of the possible options in basic setting at this time.

In the end we got a VW shop pc and did the bleeding of the fuel system. With it bled it did not start. It does start briefly on startpilot. So I thought I must have messed up the timing of the fuel pump. I put the engine in TDC and put in all the pins to verify the position of the HPFP. It is dead on the right spot!

This got me thinking really hard and my may of thinking is this. Please correct me if im wrong!


While cranking, VCDS says that the rail pressure is about 50-80 BAR. At that low pressure, the ECU might not give any signal to the injectors to actually open. As it requires about 200 bar to fire up (what i heard / read). So my thinking is that it might be residue from the busted old HPFP in the sensors preventing them from getting a accurate reading and therefor the ECU does not allow the injectors to open.

It might also be that the injectors are filled with shards from the pump. But doesn't it seem a bit odd if all six of them would be so clogged that there is no fuel what so ever entering the cylinder. ALso that would not explain the low pressure we are getting on crank.

Im thinking of replacing all pressure sensors and regulation valves and try again. If you have another possible explanation, please do share!
 
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where there metal scrapings in the system? you could easily check that at the fuel rail..
 
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where there metal scrapings in the system? you could easily check that at the fuel rail..

No not really. The car died instantanious so I dont think it threw scrap all around the system. There was some glitter in the diesel before the rail, but we could not see any in the rail or pipes leading to the injectors. The measuring valve mounted on the pump was completely covered in shards and scrap though. But that is mounted inside the pump so it feel quite natural.
 
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did you check what the LFP pressure is? i would try to run it a little longer on startpilot.
 
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did you check what the LFP pressure is? i would try to run it a little longer on startpilot.
Around 5, is what I can remeber on top of my head. Yeah, not a fan of running it longer on starterpilot. It sounds horrible. Besides, there is no increase in rail pressure while running on startpilot. It starts, but no increase in pressure
 
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is there a crankshaftsignal coming in?
 
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You've had HPFP failure - thus sending metal shavings throughout the entire fuel system.

What exactly have you replaced ?

EVERYTHING will be contaminated with metal shavings. Literally everything that comes into contact with diesel.

Did you replace the fuel tank ?

If you didn't change every single part and have fitted a new HPFP and not sorted the rest you've sent diesel with metal in it through the pump.
 
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The injectors are shot... the glitter you noticed in the fuel filter canister came from the old HPFP.... how do you think it got there? It had to go trough the rails, injectors, return lines, LP pumps....
So, you probably have stuck open injectors, and they are just dumping fuel when cranking. To confirm, remove feed lines from injectors and use a 5mm (check as this is off top of my head) ball bearing to seal off the flow. Sandwiching the ball bearing between the line and injector seals off the line, and it will allow your pump to create the high pressure once the existing "holes" are sealed off.

I'm quite surprised that you haven't been able to smell all the fuel you're dumping into the cylinders during all your cranking attempts by now.
 
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or pull out the glowplugs and start once and look where is the highest spray coming out.
 

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Here is an update and response to all great answers! Thanks to you all!

Yes, we do have a crank signal and rpm at crank is a bit above 250 rpm.

Im well aware of the glitter and shards contaminating the complete system. However, since this is a personal hobby vehicle that we are dealing with, not any customer car and the price of 6 injectors is greater then the value of the car we do not swap out injectors, fuel tank etc since that is simply not worth it.The measuring valve on the old HPFP body was completely covered in shards. Everywhere else in the system there was just some metallic glitter. So we took a chance that the injectors might be a-okay. When we removed the rails, lines and sensors we cound not see any distinct glitter in the parts.

SaVAGeSoot, thats a good point. I will try to block the injectors and see if that results in a pressure build up.

Im fairly sceptical that the injectors are stuck open. There is ZERO smell of diesel while cranking. Today I also removed the glowplugs and let it crank. No diesel and no smell what so ever. Also the HPFP pressure now reads 0 BAR. Even it the injectors would be stuck open, or completely clogged so no fuel could pass through. It seems quite odd that all six would be 100% clogged or leaking all together.
 

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Also the HPFP pressure now reads 0 BAR
Have you verified that LPFP is working and fuel is actually getting to the HPFP?
Does this model\engine also use an AUX pump between the fuel filter and HPFP?
 
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