2015 Jetta TDI 6 Speed Manual ECU Communication Problems

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Hello everyone.

I recently flashed a stage two tune onto the vehicle in question, using the tuners cable and software. All fine and dandy. Tuning process was uneventful, everyone was happy.
Soon thereafter the customer complains that the thing is driving/acting strange, very little low end torque, slow spool, extremely hard starting when cold (can barely get it to start sometimes) with tremendous smoking upon startup, so forth.
Customer is immediately suspicious of the tune, I agree to check it out, and proceed to attempt diagnostics.
I contacted the tuner about these symptoms, and they request we set up and get some data logs for their examination.
This is when the plot thickens;

-whenever I try to communicate and connect to the ECU for datalogging with their tuning cable and software, it simply will not link up, which is very strange because it worked when I used it to tune the ECU.

-There are NO fault codes in the engine ECU, though there are various ones in the other controllers for intermittent/no communication with the ECU.

I am just not sure, I guess we could be using VCDS for datalogging....:) But their cable should be working as well I would think.
 
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Here is an autoscan.




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VIN: 3VW3A7AJ8FM338632   License Plate: SAMUEL
Mileage: 159310km-98990mi   Repair Order:



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Chassis Type: AJ-VW36 (6N0)
Scan: 01 03 04 08 09 15 17 19 25 2E 44 56 77

VIN: 3VW3A7AJ8FM338632   Mileage: 159310km-98990miles

01-Engine -- Status: Sporadic communication error 1000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Malfunction 0010
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
2E-Media Player 3 -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: Malfunction 0010
56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
77-Telephone -- Status: OK 0000
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Address 01: Engine (J623-CVCA)       Labels:. 04L-907-309-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 04L 997 016 B    HW: 04L 907 309 K
   Component: R4 2.0l TDI   X20 9468 
   Revision: 8AX20---    CVN: 5CE5D9740000000000000000
   Coding: 01190012042410084000
   Shop #: WSC 23116 035 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM20TDI01104L997016B 004002
   ROD: EV_ECM20TDI01104L997016B.rod
   VCID: 323D17A164AF7BFA097-8066
   VINID: 0E69C344745A2167430C8183085F327536

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0 0 0 0 1

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:. 1K0-907-379-EC1-V4.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 BS    HW: 1K0 907 379 BS
   Component: ESP MK60EC1   H46 0166 
   Revision: 00H46001   
   Coding: A14B400C49250002851102E7921B0042A1100012
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 045181798E1B054AEBB-8050

5 Faults Found:
00668 - Supply Voltage Terminal 30
            002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100010
                    Fault Priority: 1
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 245
                    Mileage: 159246 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2020.08.20.
                    Time: 03:05:59

             Freeze Frame:
                    Count: 7
                    Count: 3
                    Count: 20480
                    Count: 128
                    Count: 29184
                    Count: 0
                    Count: 254
                    Count: 0

01314 - Engine Control Module
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100100
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 3
                    Reset counter: 246
                    Mileage: 159262 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2020.08.21.
                    Time: 01:10:44

             Freeze Frame:
                    Count: 0
                    Count: 2
                    Count: 4096
                    Count: 8194
                    Count: 45312
                    Count: 64768
                    Count: 65534
                    Count: 0

01325 - Control Module for Tire Pressure Monitoring (J502)
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100100
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 2
                    Reset counter: 247
                    Mileage: 159246 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2020.08.20.
                    Time: 03:05:56

             Freeze Frame:
                    Count: 7
                    Count: 3
                    Count: 20480
                    Count: 16390
                    Count: 29696
                    Count: 0
                    Count: 254
                    Count: 0

03095 - Diagnostic interface for databus (J533) implausible messa.:
            000 - - - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100000
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 249
                    Mileage: 159303 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2020.08.30.
                    Time: 02:53:05

             Freeze Frame:
                    Count: 0
                    Count: 32770
                    Count: 29184
                    Count: 8256
                    Count: 51200
                    Count: 65280
                    Count: 255
                    Count: 0

02214 - Tire Pressure Warning
            002 - Lower Limit Exceeded
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100010
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 204
                    Mileage: 159235 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2020.08.15.
                    Time: 21:29:29

             Freeze Frame:
                    Count: 3
                    Count: 2
                    Count: 12800
                    Count: 16401
                    Count: 48640
                    Count: 0
                    Count: 254
                    Count: 0


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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 5C0-820-047.clb
   Part No SW: 5C0 820 047 CG    HW: 5C0 820 047 CG
   Component: J301  Klimaanlage   0208 
   Revision: 2001001S    Serial number: 00000002650905
   Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00017
   VCID: 678BB6F5936DCE526E9-8032

6 Faults Found:
00446 - Function Limitation due to Under-Voltage
            002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100010
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 2
                    Reset counter: 241
                    Mileage: 0 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2020.07.07.
                    Time: 20:25:35

00532 - Supply Voltage B+
            002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100010
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 237
                    Mileage: 159121 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2020.07.07.
                    Time: 00:00:02

01314 - Engine Control Module
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100100
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 3
                    Reset counter: 246
                    Mileage: 159262 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2020.08.21.
                    Time: 01:10:44

01299 - Diagnostic Interface for Data Bus (J533)
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100100
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 2
                    Reset counter: 246
                    Mileage: 159262 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2020.08.21.
                    Time: 01:11:38

00457 - Central Electronics Control Module / BCM (J519)
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100100
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 13
                    Reset counter: 246
                    Mileage: 159262 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2020.08.21.
                    Time: 01:12:34

01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285)
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100100
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 57
                    Reset counter: 246
                    Mileage: 159265 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2020.08.21.
                    Time: 01:40:18


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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 7H0-937-08x-09.clb
   Part No SW: 7H0 937 090 E    HW: 7H0 937 090 A
   Component: BCM PQ25 Max3 H78 0725 
   Revision: B8078001    Serial number: 78003088150902
   Coding: 7B994B1808AB0B0000382080240884C50F86702E60000050B00010022844
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 30391DA96A2349EA7F3-8064

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 801 AN    HW: 6R0 959 801 AN  Labels: 6R0-959-801.CLB
   Component: J386__TSG_FT  006 5461
   Serial number: 14102585150312222226
   Coding: 820000

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 802 AS    HW: 6R0 959 802 AS  Labels: 6R0-959-802.CLB
   Component: J387__TSG_BT  006 5461
   Serial number: 14102584150227022544
   Coding: 820000

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 6C0 959 442 A    HW: 6C0 959 442 A
   Component: E221__MFL-TAT  H04 0019
   Serial number: 0501513290101523AD1B
   Coding: 280000

   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 811 M    HW: 6R0 959 811 M
   Component: J388__TSG_HL  006 5460
   Serial number: 14102587150310125157
   Coding: 800000

   Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 812 M    HW: 6R0 959 812 M
   Component: J389__TSG_HR  006 5460
   Serial number: 14102586150311151220
   Coding: 800000

2 Faults Found:
00532 - Supply Voltage B+
            002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100010
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 2
                    Reset counter: 237
                    Time Indication: 0

00446 - Function Limitation due to Under-Voltage
            002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100010
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 7
                    Reset counter: 241
                    Mileage: 159120 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2020.07.07.
                    Time: 15:19:28


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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 5K0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 5C0 959 655 AB    HW: 5C0 959 655 AB
   Component: AirbagVW10    500 0975 
   Serial number: 003LZD06EFM0   Dataset Number: 160003V____ 0313
   Coding: 00004B33
   Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00017
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW10SMEVW360 001030
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW10SMEVW360.rod
   VCID: 72BDD7A1A42F3BFAC97-8026

   Seat occupant detection:
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 4M0 959 339 B    HW: 4M0 959 339 B
   Component: BF-Gewichtss.  H10 0021
   Serial number: IBH0000J150002JK560.
   Coding: 303142

   Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side:
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 354     HW: 5K0 959 354
   Component: S.Sens.Fahr.V  H02 ----
   Serial number: 3572MSME3E231A4EZZZ1

   Crash sensor for side airbag: passenger side:
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 354     HW: 5K0 959 354
   Component: S.Sens.Beif.V  H02 ----
   Serial number: 3582MSME39231A4EZZZ/

   Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side rear:
   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 351 A    HW: 5K0 959 351 A
   Component: S.Sens.Fahr.H  H02 ----
   Serial number: 3516KSME771F6635ZZZ$

   Crash sensor for side airbag: passenger side rear:
   Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 351 A    HW: 5K0 959 351 A
   Component: S.Sens.Beif.H  H02 ----
   Serial number: 3526KSME3A286635ZZZX

   Crash sensor for front airbag: driver side:
   Subsystem 6 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 659 A    HW: 5K0 959 659 A
   Component: F.Sens.Fahr  H02 ----
   Serial number: 3556LSME1C066534ZZZV

   Crash sensor for front airbag: passenger side:
   Subsystem 7 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 659 A    HW: 5K0 959 659 A
   Component: F.Sens.Beif  H02 ----
   Serial number: 3566LSME2B106534ZZZR

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
   Part No SW: 5C6 920 954 A    HW: 5C6 920 954 A
   Component: KOMBI         H04 0807 
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 270A01
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00319
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04727
   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_VW32.rod
   VCID: 2C0109D9468B2D0A43B-8078

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 6N0-909-901-6R.clb
   Part No SW: 6N0 909 901     HW: 7H0 937 090 A
   Component: GW-K-CAN TP20 H78 0725 
   Revision: B8078001   
   Coding: 102200
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 70B9DDA9AAA309EA3F3-8024

1 Fault Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100100
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 3
                    Reset counter: 246
                    Mileage: 159262 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2020.08.21.
                    Time: 01:10:45


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Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 5K0 953 234
   Component: IMMO          H04 0807 
   Serial number:               
   Coding: 000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03710
   ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09_VW32.rod
   VCID: 6A8DCFC18CFFF33A717-803E

No fault code found.

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Address 2E: Media Player 3
Cannot be reached

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1K0-909-14x-GEN3.clb
   Part No: 1K0 909 144 R
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl. 306    3501 
   Revision: 00H22000   
   Shop #: WSC 02069 000 90108
   VCID: 392F208DB55988A2C8D-806C

1 Fault Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100100
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 3
                    Reset counter: 246
                    Mileage: 159267 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2020.08.21.
                    Time: 02:11:47

             Freeze Frame:
                    Voltage: 14.00 V
                        DU
                    Temperature: 43.0°C
                    RPM: 1498 /min
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Count: 0


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Address 56: Radio (J503)       Labels:. 5M0-035-1xx-56.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 035 164 J    HW: 1K0 035 164 J
   Component: LOW NAR SDARS H06 0006 
   Revision: -----10S    Serial number: VWZ4Z6R3895011
   Coding: 01000400020006
   Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00017
   VCID: 290FF0CD49F93822B8D-807C

2 Faults Found:
02635 - Tuner Not Enabled/Activated
            000 - -
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100000
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 196
                    Mileage: 159101 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2020.07.01.
                    Time: 23:12:40

00532 - Supply Voltage B+
            002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100010
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 237
                    Mileage: 159121 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2020.07.07.
                    Time: 00:00:04


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Address 77: Telephone (J412)       Labels:| 5N0-035-729.clb
   Part No SW: 5N0 035 729 E    HW: 5N0 035 729 E
   Component: TELEFON       H07 0593 
   Revision: 1B001001    Serial number: 00007670105330 Dataset Number: 5N0035729E  0001
   Coding: 0A10030080010110
   Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_UHVUMI 001007
   ROD: EV_UHVUMI.rod
   VCID: 323D17A164AF7BFA097-8066

No fault code found.

End----------(Elapsed Time: 01:40, VBatt start/end: 12.6V/12.3V)-----------
------------------------------17 Faults Found------------------------------
 
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funny is how some "tune up" garages blame car / customer
they always need "reverse enginners " to find out issue with other modules ???

why not to do this:
1 - clean errors to see if they back
2 - restore ECU flash, do drive test , check error if they back again or not
3 - if no error - do tune up again
 
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It should be noted that the tuning company is a well known, fairly reputable one.
And also, the tune supports some hardware removal that the customer did, so that might complicate things a wee bit;

-I have re-flashed the stock tune onto the car, which results in a plethora of codes due to the missing hardware, and a rather marked lack of drivability due to it being in limp mode.
-I have re-flashed the new tune more then once, which is the first thing the tuning company recommended to do...

Still no codes in the ECU, what's going on? It could be a tune problem, but we can't get anywhere if I can't communicate with it to get some data logs so they can try to figure it out.
Maybe something got messed up the first time I tuned it? I should have done more preliminary scanning work on the vehicle to make sure it was up to par before the tune.
I just don't know if the communication problems existed before the tune.
What's puzzling is, how was I able to reflash the ECU with the cable, but now I can't communicate with it for datalogging with the same?
 
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what is recently? 1 2 6months.. reflashing is not needed.. if the software is 99,99% flashed it wont start.. so if attempt 1 is succesfull and the car started/drove fine then why reflash the car with the same tuningsoftware..

The autoscan is fine, but better is flash the car stock again, maybe it will throw up fault codes other than a dpf-delete for example..
 
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The car has exhibited these drivability symptoms pretty much right after the re-tune, all this has taken place within 4 months.
Exactly, they just said that their servers indicated that the modified file was never flashed initially.
They wondered if the stock tune was still on the ECU, and because of the all the hardware missing of course it'll not drive/act right....So they said to try a reflash.

But are the ''No Signal/Communication - Intermittent'' codes worrisome? I would think they would be mildly relevant, at least so far as the datalogging com problems go, or am I mistaken?

I think we have two separate issues here,

-poor drivability after tune

-communication problems with the ECU

but better is flash the car stock again, maybe it will throw up fault codes other than a dpf-delete for example..

Do you think I should return the ECU to stock and post a autoscan from that?
 
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Yes, make the ECU stock and even try to drive around the block with it.
 
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Well, I think we have bigger problems with the car... The timing belt went and broke on one of the test drives...:cry:

So far as the com problems go they simply suggested to use/choose a different protocall for their tool/system:facepalm:

When that was squared away I was able to get some datalogs. Then the belt broke. I wonder if the belt was slipping and throwing the timing off, thus causing the running/drivability problems?
 
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also at a tdi one teeth jumped/wrong it throws an G28/G40 correlation fault code.
 
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