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The point is, we have protocols for stupid people be it incarceration, re-education or some other form of punishment but when a computer does something stupid and hurts/kills someone, who do you blame because where there is blame, there is a claim.
 
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That's why we need self driving cars! ;)
Yes, many drivers would rather be doing something else than driving around (and a good part of them _do_ do something else, like fondling their phones... talk about stupid people) --> self driving cars would improve the lives of the rest of us, who actually enjoy driving.

As long as they are not mandated.

The thing is, the wind is strongly blowing in that direction: see all the mandated toys and "brain diapers" that are being mandated, especially over here in Europe (but I think the US is affected as well).
And if you want to have self driving cars which do not require an army of very good, smart programmers to implement (maybe just LLM-powered mechanical parrots, which if the trend is maintained would be equally expensive, but I digress...), you _should_ mandate them.

Self driving cars are actually rather good at self driving themselves since the late '90, as soon as we could infer in real time something a little better as a 2-layes, 15 neuron perceptron (and already just with that they weren't all bad, except when they tried to jump into rivers parsed as nice, smooth roads). The huge hurdle is to handle the uncertainty and chaos introduced by agents who follow rules "fuzzily" and use JIT-based heuristics to navigate, commonly known as humans.

If we banned humans from driving, we could roll out tomorrow, see the road death toll fall considerably, alongside a marked increase in efficiency of the fleet and so on.

What's not to like?

Despite being European, I do enjoy some amount of personal freedom. The freedom of taking the wheel of my car and go wherever the f***k I like on my own terms is something I value above a very little absolute reduction of the risk of dying horribly while doing so.
 
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Enjoy your personal transportation freedom while you can. Soon the climate extremists will remove your right to operate a personal vehicle.
 
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Soon the climate extremists will remove your right to operate a personal vehicle.
But I drive an EV that's powered exclusively by my very own solar panels! :p

I do have solar panels, but do not actually have an EV.

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If we banned humans from driving, we could roll out tomorrow, see the road death toll fall considerably, alongside a marked increase in efficiency of the fleet and so on.
Yes, deaths, injuries and accidents would drop dramatically, but just as with commercial aviation, they would not become zero. THEN, because of public expectations, you would have the same situation as with commercial aviation deaths, absolute outrage and the need to find a fall guy so within a short period, the system would collapse under the weight of prosecution and litigation. Not only that, but if the blame went back to individual engineers where they took personal responsibility, no one would be prepared to do the job. You would also have to ensure the maintenance of the vehicle was as tightly controlled as within commercial aviation where no one was allowed to work on a vehicle unless specifically licenced and qualified and with the same parts provenance control, so it simply would not work. Also, all traffic movements would have to be controlled as with availation so think of the number of people that would require.
 
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Enjoy your personal transportation freedom while you can. Soon the climate extremists will remove your right to operate a personal vehicle.
They are mostly happy forcing us on EVs.

I feel death coming more from regulations and bans in the name of SAFETY.
I do have solar panels, but do not actually have an EV.

-Uwe-
Same here, but I'm looking to get one.

Not only that, but if the blame went back to individual engineers where they took personal responsibility, no one would be prepared to do the job.

The situation you describe feel like the regulator's wet dream and I fear that there is where we are going. Except for the blame thing: I honestly think they will either pin it to the vehicle occupant who didn't watch over or they will just go blameless and there will be a monetary compensation.
 
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I honestly think they will either pin it to the vehicle occupant who didn't watch over or they will just go blameless and there will be a monetary compensation.

Can you see the typical Merican rolling over and accepting blame for something they didn't do? The lawyers would be all over like flies on shit. Who is going to pay? The insurance companies won't and neither will the manufacturer and I can't see any government coughing up. Then, how many countries are there, will they all accept a unified system covering left and right hand traffic in any environment from snow to desert and open motorway to urban hiell? Not going to happen.
 
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@Crasher... In the end we will all pay for Robotaxi crashes. :(
 
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When (not if) they start killing people, they will be banned. When (not if) someone works out how to hack one and use it as an autonomous weapon, they will be banned. Flying cars? Never going to happen, take the guided weapon aspect and give it some real potential to cause mayhem. As I said, it isn't if but when. Picture an autonomous tractor unit, truck, rig whatever pulling the (UK standard) 40,000 litres of petrol tanker, stap a couple of IED's onto the tank and program the truck to drive into a assembly of a few thousand people and detonate it. It will happen if autonomous vehicles are allowed to progress.
 
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When (not if) they start killing people, they will be banned. When (not if) someone works out how to hack one and use it as an autonomous weapon, they will be banned. Flying cars? Never going to happen, take the guided weapon aspect and give it some real potential to cause mayhem. As I said, it isn't if but when. Picture an autonomous tractor unit, truck, rig whatever pulling the (UK standard) 40,000 litres of petrol tanker, stap a couple of IED's onto the tank and program the truck to drive into a assembly of a few thousand people and detonate it. It will happen if autonomous vehicles are allowed to progress.

The sad part is that they probably won't ever ban Robotaxis regardless of all the issues. Remember some folks in Urrup think it's OK for people to die from a heatwave instead of using air-conditioning... THAT is the mentality of some in Gov'ment who decide how the rest of us must live. :(

Urrup doesn't have a monopoly on STUPID... see the link. THIS is Gov'ment in action, a lot like mandated EVs replacing ICE power.

 
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And this is just going to become exponentially more common as years go by.



 
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