Happy 5000th thread to ross-tech

[Welder75]

Lets party, ok, so looking at the link address above this is thread 5303. but looking at the forum statistics it is #5000.

so, maybe i will make this a inquiry.

for the 2002 new beetles, do they show freeze frames? i have the box check to show freeze frames....but they dont show. is it because the car doesnt support Can bus?

here is my auto scan,,,

Saturday,06,February,2016,18:17:33:49733
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 15.7.3.0 (x64)
Data version: 20151216
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VIN: 3VWCB21C02M434363   License Plate: 


Chassis Type: 1C (1C - VW New Beetle (1998 > 2010))

Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 17 19 22 25 26 29 35 37 39 46 54 56 65 75

 

VIN: 3VWCB21C02M434363   Mileage: 183360km-113934miles

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Address 01: Engine        Labels: 06A-906-032-AZG.clb

   Part No: 06A 906 032 GE

   Component: 2.0l R4/2V      G   4075  

   Coding: 00001

   Shop #: WSC 91518  

   VCID: 67DDE6B605AF9106D0-5140

   3VWCB21C02M434363     VWZ5Z0ZD051284



4 Faults Found:

16804 - Catalyst System; Bank 1 

            P0420 - 35-10 - Efficiency Below Threshold - Intermittent

17704 - Error in Mapped Cooling System (check Temp-Sensor and Thermostat) 

            P1296 - 35-10 -  - Intermittent

17978 - Engine Start Blocked by Immobilizer 

            P1570 - 35-10 -  - Intermittent

16705 - Engine Speed Sensor (G28) 

            P0321 - 35-10 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent

Readiness: 0000 0000



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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1C0-907-37x-ABS.lbl

   Part No: 1C0 907 379 J

   Component: ABS FRONT MK60      0103  

   Coding: 0004097

   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000

   VCID: 316948EEABEB1FB6CE-5140



1 Fault Found:

00668 - Supply Voltage Terminal 30 

            008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent



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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.lbl

   Part No: 1C0 909 605 A

   Component: 25 AIRBAG VW51 0E   0004  

   Coding: 12853

   Shop #: WSC 00066  

   VCID: 224BB7A2AE0DB42E47-4AE8



1 Fault Found:

01218 - Side Airbag Igniter; Passenger Side (N200) 

            32-10 - Resistance Too High - Intermittent



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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1C0-920-x4x.lbl

   Part No: 1C0 920 851 CX

   Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRS. M73 V02  

   Coding: 03332

   Shop #: WSC 91518  

   VCID: 78FFB5CA58110EFE49-4B00

   3VWCB21C02M434363     VWZ5Z0ZD051284



1 Fault Found:

01039 - Coolant Temperature Sensor (G2) 

            30-10 - Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent



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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl

   Part No: 6N0 909 901 

   Component: Gateway K<->CAN    V022  

   Coding: 00006

   Shop #: WSC 91518  

   VCID: 70EF8DEA306156BE81-4AE8



No fault code found.



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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 1C0-959-799.lbl

   Part No: 1C0 959 799 G

   Component: 2K Komfortgerát HLO 0004  

   Coding: 00064

   Shop #: WSC 00066  

   VCID: 3B756AC629A7E5E664-4B00



   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1C2959802A

   Component: 2K Tõrsteuer.FS KLO 0004  



   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1C2959801A

   Component: 2K Tõrsteuer.BF KLO 0002  



8 Faults Found:

01330 - Central Control Module for Central Convenience (J393) 

            52-10 - Supply Voltage Too High - Intermittent

00928 - Locking Module for Central Locking; Front Driver Side (F220) 

            54-10 - Incorrectly Equipped - Intermittent

00929 - Locking Module for Central Locking; Front Passenger Side (F221) 

            54-10 - Incorrectly Equipped - Intermittent

00953 - Interior Light Time limit 

            25-10 - Unknown Switch Condition - Intermittent

01044 - Control Module Incorrectly Coded 

            35-00 -  - 

01331 - Door Control Module; Driver Side (J386) 

            52-10 - Supply Voltage Too High - Intermittent

01332 - Door Control Module; Passenger Side (J387) 

            53-10 - Supply Voltage Too Low - Intermittent

01332 - Door Control Module; Passenger Side (J387) 

            52-10 - Supply Voltage Too High - Intermittent



End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 04:19)--------------------------

I was hoping to see what the coolant temp was at time of fault 17704 - Error in Mapped Cooling System (check Temp-Sensor and Thermostat)

P1296 - 35-10 - - Intermittent

i cleared the codes, but after went for a drive, and this code came back after 45 mins. engine was cool when i scanned it again. so it shows intermittent,, unles its a wiring issue or faulty sensor or thermastat

 

[Welder75]

found my answer in Ross-tech manual.....

The Display Freeze Frame Data checkbox adds Freeze Frame data for Fault Codes on control modules using the KWP-2000 protocols. Note: Not all control modules support this freeze-frame data. As a rule of thumb, cars which were re-designed after 2003 will likely have some control modules which support it, and older designs will not. There's no harm in leaving this enabled in any case. However, un-checking it can make the results less cluttered in a scan which contains many fault codes.

 

[Uwe]

Check in Generic OBD-II mode. These older ECUs sometimes have some freeze-frame data available there, but the original VW KW1281 protocol didn't support it at all.

-Uwe-

 

[Welder75]

So with my wife's 2002 VW NB 2.0L , we can drive for about 30-40 Miles then check engine lights up. No change to how the engine runs.

I scanned the car the first time, got

17704 - Error in Mapped Cooling System (check Temp-Sensor and Thermostat)
P1296 - 35-00 -

cleared codes and they stayed away. but after driving aways light can back on. but now with another code

Saturday,20,February,2016,08:55:06:49733
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VCDS Version: 15.7.4.1 (x64)
Data version: 20160216
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VIN: 3VWCB21C02M434363   License Plate: FEB20
Mileage: 183630km-114102mi   Repair Order: 



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Chassis Type: 1C (1C - VW New Beetle (1998 > 2010))
Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 17 19 22 25 26 29 35 37 39 46 54 56 65 75
 
VIN: 3VWCB21C02M434363   Mileage: 183630km-114102miles
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine        Labels: 06A-906-032-AZG.clb
   Part No: 06A 906 032 GE
   Component: 2.0l R4/2V      G   4075  
   Coding: 00001
   Shop #: WSC 91518  
   VCID: 67DDE6B605AF9106DF-5140
   3VWCB21C02M434363     VWZ5Z0ZD051284

2 Faults Found:
16804 - Catalyst System; Bank 1 
            P0420 - 35-00 - Efficiency Below Threshold
17704 - Error in Mapped Cooling System (check Temp-Sensor and Thermostat) 
            P1296 - 35-00 - 
Readiness: 0000 0000

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1C0-907-37x-ABS.lbl
   Part No: 1C0 907 379 J
   Component: ABS FRONT MK60      0103  
   Coding: 0004097
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 316948EEABEB1FB6C1-5140

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.lbl
   Part No: 1C0 909 605 A
   Component: 25 AIRBAG VW51 0E   0004  
   Coding: 12853
   Shop #: WSC 00066  
   VCID: 224BB7A2AE0DB42E48-4B00

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1C0-920-x4x.lbl
   Part No: 1C0 920 851 CX
   Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRS. M73 V02  
   Coding: 03332
   Shop #: WSC 91518  
   VCID: 78FFB5CA58110EFE46-4B00
   3VWCB21C02M434363     VWZ5Z0ZD051284

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl
   Part No: 6N0 909 901 
   Component: Gateway K<->CAN    V022  
   Coding: 00006
   Shop #: WSC 91518  
   VCID: 70EF8DEA306156BE8E-4B00

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 1C0-959-799.lbl
   Part No: 1C0 959 799 G
   Component: 2K Komfortgerát HLO 0004  
   Coding: 00064
   Shop #: WSC 00066  
   VCID: 3B756AC629A7E5E66B-4AE8

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1C2959802A
   Component: 2K Tõrsteuer.FS KLO 0004  

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1C2959801A
   Component: 2K Tõrsteuer.BF KLO 0002  

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio        Labels: 1J0-035-18x-56.lbl
   Part No: 1C0 035 180 E
   Component:  RADIO 3CP         0002  
   Coding: 08012
   Shop #: WSC 01518  
   VCID: 1A3B8F42865DFCEE90-4AE8

1 Fault Found:
00853 - Loudspeaker(s); Rear 
            44-10 - Short Circuit - Intermittent

End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 04:12)--------------------------

so, i took a freeze frame from the OBDII (thanks UWE)

temp is a little lower then running temp 60-90 degrees. so would that be the thermostat is stuck open?
and should it be in a closed loop?

 

[Uwe]

The thing is, the freeze-frame data that the ECU has there is for the P0420 CAT code, not the cooling system code.

For the cooling system code, I would monitor (or even log) the engine temperature for a nice long drive, starting from cold, to see what you can see.

-Uwe-

 

[Jack@European_Parts]

Is the ECT Green in color and not Black as per TSB supersession?

Most likely a bad T-stat, however, a water pump can spin on impeller intermittently.

When changing or inspection of T-stat in boiling water pot, observing temp open and close; ........check the impeller with finger, from access to back of pump behind the T-stat.

 

[Jack@European_Parts]

Pssst you could try the new G13 coolant ............
However, I don't think the money warrants it........
G12 can be had on the cheap, because of gravity of stupidity to have something new.


Check for scales or solids contaminating the return line to Expansion tank or any flange points and verify the system is actually sealed under PSI.........cold and HOT!

 

[Welder75]

Is the ECT Green in color and not Black as per TSB supersession?

Most likely a bad T-stat, however, a water pump can spin on impeller intermittently.

When changing or inspection of T-stat in boiling water pot, observing temp open and close; ........check the impeller with finger, from access to back of pump behind the T-stat.

The ECT is the updated green..

The thing is, the freeze-frame data that the ECU has there is for the P0420 CAT code, not the cooling system code.

For the cooling system code, I would monitor (or even log) the engine temperature for a nice long drive, starting from cold, to see what you can see.

-Uwe-

I will take it for a spin tomorrow and log temp ... what would be the best way to monitor the engine for tells on the 16804 - Catalyst System; Bank 1
P0420 - 35-00 - Efficiency Below Threshold? pls and thank you

 

[Welder75]

Pssst you could try the new G13 coolant ............
However, I don't think the money warrants it........
G12 can be had on the cheap, because of gravity of stupidity to have something new.


Check for scales or solids contaminating the return line to Expansion tank or any flange points and verify the system is actually sealed under PSI.........cold and HOT!

I was at the VW dealer today to order a hatch door opener switch(it was FUBAR) so i order a new thermostat too, if i have to drain the coolant and tear the old one out, for the $26 i may aswell have a new thermostat and new coolant. see if that helps.


On the coolant side..lol.. should i open the can of worms on using "New Prestone® All Makes All Models Extended Life Antifreeze/Coolant"instead of the VW G12?

 

[Jack@European_Parts]

You may get lucky and maybe the thermostat will help the cat... I would log block 046 and watch on road test at about 2-2200 rpm.

Get cat hot in third gear field 2 of at least 700c or higher to burn off impurities.

I run oven cleaner at forward OXS location then rinse and sometimes this also may wake the surface area needed to get the exothermic reaction going.

 

[Uwe]

On the coolant side..lol.. should i open the can of worms on using "New Prestone® All Makes All Models Extended Life Antifreeze/Coolant"instead of the VW G12?

Personally, I would not. But if you do... Flush the entire syyetm with lots and lots of water first. Using a different type of coolant calls for getting ALL the old coolant out. Ask the VW owners in the 1990s who "upgraded" from G11 to G12 what happens when they didn't do an adequate job of this.

-Uwe-

 

[Jack@European_Parts]

Do not use shit-stone! G12 can be had cheaper currently.

 

[Welder75]

lol, i was just throwing it out there to get a reaction from Jack. just seen on other sites a thread 10 pages long about guys arguing back and forth about it. i am going to use the special VW juice. i knew that i would have to flush the whole system if i changed coolant and wanted to avoid it. unless their is lots of crap in the old coolant.

 

[Jack@European_Parts]

I keep examples of stupid shit that happens to insides of engines to show why not to do this. This subject is at the head of the list. After milk time maybe I will bring to show and tell if we can play buliding blocks.

 

[Welder75]

Looks like it was a faulty thermostat. Old one wasn't closing tight. Put new one in and no engine light after a tank of gas.