indirect TPMS activation in 09 JSW

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my TPMS is intermittent, and I read that I might be able to enable the indirect TPMS used in later models, vs replacing TPMS modules inside the wheels.

tried to follow this info:

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?p=4521091#post4521091

when i get into the long coding helper, I can find the specified bit/byte, which the helper says indicates TPMS not installed.

it will not let me implement the change. when I hit "do it" a window comes up to say there is an issue. do I need an authorization code to make this change?

for reference, here is a recent scan:

Code: 
Saturday,03,May,2014,16:27:05:51928
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator
VCDS Version: 12.12.2.0 (x64)
Data version: 20140212


VIN: 3VWPL71K89M272852   License Plate: 
Mileage: 193240km-120073mi   Repair Order: 



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Chassis Type: 1K (1K0)
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 0F 15 16 17 19 1C 25 42 44 46 52 56 62 65 72
         

VIN: 3VWPL71K89M272852   Mileage: 193240km/120073miles

01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
0F-Digital Radio -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
1C-Position Sensing -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
65-Tire Pressure -- Status: Malfunction 0010
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
 
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Address 01: Engine (CBE)       Labels: 03L-906-022-CBE.clb
   Part No SW: 03L 997 016 P    HW: 03L 906 022 J
   Component: R4 2,0L EDC G000AG  8681  
   Revision: --H01---    Serial number: VWX7Z0H72491JO
   Coding: 0050078
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 3FA390536EB764E6A2D-806A

1 Fault Found:
001139 - Exhaust Pressure Sensor 1 (G450) 
               P0473 - 000 - Signal too High - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100000
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 3
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 192453 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 15:35:46

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 0 /min
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Mileage: 0 km
                    Pressure: 0 mbar
                    Pressure: 0 mbar
                    (no units): 0.0
                    Temperature: 7.2°C

Readiness: 0 1 0 0 0 

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Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 02E-927-770.lbl
   Part No SW: 02E 300 050 D    HW: 02E 927 770 AD
   Component: GSG DSG         082 1402  
   Revision: 05108020    Serial number: 00001009261684
   Coding: 0000020
   Shop #: WSC 04940 001 00001
   VCID: 130B6CE332BF5086365-8046

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (-----)       Labels: 1K0-907-379-60EC1F.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 AE    HW: 1K0 907 379 AE
   Component: ESP MK60EC1   H35 0104  
   Revision: 00H35001    
   Coding: 113B600D492900FC881306E9921B0042B100
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 75CF327BDC0BEEB6B81-8020

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 1K0-820-047.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 820 047 HS    HW: 1K0 820 047 HS
   Component: Climatic PQ35   142 1111  
   Revision: 00142031    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 7CD9275F3F21BFFEC7F-8029

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels: 3C0-937-049-30-M.lbl
   Part No SW: 3C8 937 049 D    HW: 3C8 937 049 D
   Component: Bordnetz-SG     H54 2602  
   Revision: 00H54000    Serial number: 00000001014370
   Coding: 14898F2340041500070000001C000000000873075C000120000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 3245C967ADE5B98E5D3-8067

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K1 955 119 E  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer 230808 021  0501  
   Coding: 00038805
   Shop #: WSC 00066  

No fault code found.

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Address 0F: Digital Radio        Labels: 8E0-035-593-SIR.lbl
   Part No SW: 8E0 035 593 M    HW: 8E0 035 593 M
   Component: SDAR SIRIUS     H07 0150  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: AUZ4Z7H0382262
   Coding: 0000100
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 334BCC6352FFB086565-8066

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 1K0-909-605.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 909 605 AB    HW: 1K0 909 605 AB
   Component: 78 AIRBAG VW8R  034 8000  
   Revision: 05034000    Serial number: 003B6M06G1H$  
   Coding: 0014136
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 6CF9171F4F412F7E57F-8039

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K0 959 339 H
   Component: BF-Gewichtsens. 007 0006

   Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6332MSME3B0044340

   Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6342MSME3E307878M

   Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6351HSME174A4C71D

   Subsystem 5 - Serial number: 6361HSME175F5826H

   Subsystem 6 - Serial number: 63727SME16701603R

   Subsystem 7 - Serial number: 63827SME16701021M

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 BR    HW: 1K0 953 549 BR
   Component: J0527           051 0101  
   Coding: 0010042
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 832BDCA3C2DF4006065-80D6

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-17.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 920 974 N    HW: 1K0 920 974 N
   Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT 3HL 2418  
   Revision: V0003000    Serial number: VWX7Z0H72491JO
   Coding: 0007203
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 3957FE4B70934AD69C9-806C

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 1K0-907-530-V3.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 Q    HW: 1K0 907 951 
   Component: J533  Gateway   H07 0062  
   Revision:   H07 01    Serial number: 020708F1000751
   Coding: ED807F070013022002
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 354FF27B5C8BAEB6781-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 1C: Position Sensing        Labels: 1Kx-919-xxx-1C.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K6 919 879     HW: 1K6 919 879 
   Component: Kompass         001 0003  
   Revision: 00001000    Serial number: 1225223T2EKX03
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: FDDFAA5BA43B36F6701-80A8

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 920 974 N    HW: 1K0 920 974 N
   Component: IMMO            3HL 2418  
   Revision: V0003000    Serial number: VWX7Z0H72491JO
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 3957FE4B70934AD69C9-806C

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 1K0-959-701-MIN3.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 701 AC    HW: 1K0 959 793 N
   Component: J386  TUER-SG FT    1519  
   Revision: 72009005    Serial number: 00000532488807
   Coding: 0001205
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 6FC300137E57D46672D-803A

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1Kx-909-14x-44.clb
   Part No: 1K0 909 144 C
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl. 70     2301  
   Revision: 00H15000    
   Shop #: WSC 02069 000 90108
   VCID: 2A75D1078535F14EE53-807F

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 1K0-959-433-MAX.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 CT    HW: 1K0 959 433 CT
   Component:    KSG PQ35 RDK 052 0221  
   Revision: 00052000    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 139007885283281B0904058FB0880F0488DC00
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 8429DFBFC7D1473E3FF-80D1

   Subsystem 1 - Component:   Sounder n.mounted     

   Subsystem 2 - Component:       NGS n.mounted     

   Subsystem 3 - Component:      IRUE n.mounted     

2 Faults Found:
00332 - Control Circuit for Tank Flap 
            007 - Short to Ground - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100111
                    Fault Priority: 4
                    Fault Frequency: 2
                    Reset counter: 160
                    Mileage: 0 km
                    Time Indication: 0

01038 - Central Locking Thermal Protection 
            000 - - - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100000
                    Fault Priority: 4
                    Fault Frequency: 9
                    Reset counter: 159
                    Mileage: 192892 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 09:31:29


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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 1K0-959-702-MIN3.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 702 AC    HW: 1K0 959 792 N
   Component: J387  TUER-SG BT    1519  
   Revision: 72009005    Serial number: 00000552988807
   Coding: 0001204
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 70C1036F6369CB9E6B7-8025

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio        Labels: 1K0-035-1xx-56.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 035 180 L    HW: 1K0 035 180 L
   Component: Radio DE2       016 0020  
   Revision: 00016000    Serial number: VWZ4Z7H2224675
   Coding: 0010400
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 29772E0B8033FA56EC9-807C

2 Faults Found:
01044 - Control Module Incorrectly Coded 
            000 - -
00003 - Control Module 
            014 - Defective

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Address 62: Door, Rear Left        Labels: 1K0-959-703-GEN3.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 703 AH    HW: 1K0 959 795 T
   Component: J388   TUER-SG HL   1401  
   Revision: 12006001    Serial number: 00000003360131
   Coding: 0001168
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 76CD3577010DE5AEB1B-8023

No fault code found.

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Address 65: Tire Pressure        Labels: 3C0-959-433-65.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 CT    HW: 1K0 959 433 CT
   Component:    RDK              0450  
   Revision: 00052000    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 0100101
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 8429DFBFC7D1473E3FF-80D1

1 Fault Found:
01521 - Sensor for Tire Pressure 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00110100
                    Fault Priority: 4
                    Fault Frequency: 10
                    Reset counter: 154
                    Mileage: 192751 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 23:00:18


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Address 72: Door, Rear Right        Labels: 1K0-959-704-GEN3.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 704 AH    HW: 1K0 959 794 T
   Component: J389   TUER-SG HR   1401  
   Revision: 12006001    Serial number: 00000003383939
   Coding: 0001168
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 77D3387306079CA6AAD-8022

No fault code found.

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Although Ross-Tech would love to help you with this, giving you explicit instructions for disabling your existing sensor-based TPMS would be imprudent of us. You see the indirect TPMS that your car might be capable of obviously wasn't good enough to meet the FMVSS in 2009, 'cause if it was VW wouldn't have spent the dough on a sensor-based system.

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Any thoughts on why it is good enough for the later model years?

and the point here is to get a reliable TPMS system.
 
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Better algorithms -- much like when misfire detection became required in 1996 (in the US). The various car manufacturers dropped numerous powertrains with manual transmissions were a year or two because they algorithms in their ECUs were not good enough to meet the standards for misfire detection when the engine was hard-coupled to the wheels through a manual trans and clutch (something that's much less of a problem with the looser coupling you get with a slushbox). As the algorithms improved, MT powertrains made a come-back.

Your car came with a reliable TPMS system. It just has certain maintenance costs. Thank your nanny-state government for that; they're the ones who wrote the specs (over the objections of the auto-industry) that couldn't be met by an indirect system then. I fully understand what you want to do and why you want to do. In fact, it wouldn't bother me a bit if you disabled TPMS on your car entirely; I'm just not willing to put our (Ross-Tech's) livelihood at risk by providing support for things that put cars outside the FMVSS specs that they were built to.

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Thanks for the responses.

it is just annoying. I do suspect a sensor is getting flaky, but the question is which one? it has been indicating false issues off and on for the past six months. (tires are properly inflated, dash indications and logs which indicate as the one posted earlier.) in this intermittent state, when it works, common tools (like whatever they have at the firestone place I let balance my wheels) do not see an error.

I know VW says to replace the TMPS sensors after 6 years. Put new tires on last summer, which would be the best time for a mass replacement.

The other motivation is that I am considering a set of winter wheels and snow-specific tires for the winter. plan would be to use such a set of winter tires not only on the 09, but also on an anticipated Golf Variant or whatever they call it, in another year or so. I guess a set of tires with TPMS sensors would work find on an indirect system.

It also is true that the direct system is more responsive than an indirect system. Mine told me on start-up that a tire was low. had picked up a screw in the tread, which was a slow leak and was under 20 psi. the indirect system would not have told me at a less-convenient location than my driveway to put the spare on.

Finally, while I provided the context, my original question was on operation of the VCDS software, the Long Coding helper.

Interesting point on algorithms. so are you suggesting that the software in the ABS module installed in my 09, but not used, is less capable than the one in later model years which do not have the direct TPMS?
 
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mikeme said:
Finally, while I provided the context, my original question was on operation of the VCDS software, the Long Coding helper.
Click to expand...
You mean this?

mikeme said:
when I hit "do it" a window comes up to say there is an issue.
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It might be helpful if you told us exactly what that message says. ;)

mikeme said:
Interesting point on algorithms. so are you suggesting that the software in the ABS module installed in my 09, but not used, is less capable than the one in later model years which do not have the direct TPMS?
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Indeed, I am suggesting that's a strong possibility. It wouldn't surprise me if there were changes to the hardware of the modules too.

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Dana said:
Mike,

It is entirely possible that this vehicle needs new TPMS sensor(s) based on age and battery life but if choose to diagnose that system the following tech tip may be helpful:

VW TPMS Systems without Wheel Position Recognition

-Dana
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Thanks, Dana,

This did the trick and let me identify which wheel has the problem. (had to wait for the light, which is on one day, off the next few)
 
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