VW Adds Processing Fee for Used Immobilizer Parts

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So apparently…
VW decided that reusing parts is just too affordable. From now on, they’ll hit you with a €45 + VAT “processing fee” if you dare to install a used immobilizer part.





Because nothing says ESG like tossing working parts in the bin and buying shiny new ones. 💸🌱

Cash grab? Or just “greenwashing” with an invoice attached?
 
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yeah nuts i know.. think they are just being greedy but using the excuse of 'too many requests'

Repairs to Components of the Immobilizer System

Since October 2021, a cross-swapping of the immobilizer master control unit has been blocked for theft protection reasons and must be separately approved by Volkswagen AG.

As of August 2024, a blocking mechanism has also been applied to the replacement of WFS slave components, due to previously detected misuse during cross-swapping.

Further details can also be found in the TPI 2075232/1.

Since the number of approval requests concerning the cross-swapping has increased disproportionately, Volkswagen AG will introduce a verification fee for the approval process starting from October 1, 2025, applicable to all workshops (both own and independent).

The fee will only be charged if approval is granted. As in the past, the blocking continues to apply only to control units that have already been installed previously - new Volkswagen Genuine Parts control units are not affected when installed for the first time.

The verification fee is provisionally €45 plus the applicable VAT in accordance with the tax regulations of the recipient’s country.

Further information is available upon submission of the ODIS query form which is automatically generated during the cross-swap attempt.

Please ensure that your ODIS software is always up to date.

Requests submitted with manipulated or incomplete ODIS forms cannot be processed.

If you have any questions, please forward the above-mentioned TPI to the independent workshops in your market.
 
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yeah nuts i know.. think they are just being greedy but using the excuse of 'too many requests'

Repairs to Components of the Immobilizer System

Since October 2021, a cross-swapping of the immobilizer master control unit has been blocked for theft protection reasons and must be separately approved by Volkswagen AG.

As of August 2024, a blocking mechanism has also been applied to the replacement of WFS slave components, due to previously detected misuse during cross-swapping.

Further details can also be found in the TPI 2075232/1.

Since the number of approval requests concerning the cross-swapping has increased disproportionately, Volkswagen AG will introduce a verification fee for the approval process starting from October 1, 2025, applicable to all workshops (both own and independent).

The fee will only be charged if approval is granted. As in the past, the blocking continues to apply only to control units that have already been installed previously - new Volkswagen Genuine Parts control units are not affected when installed for the first time.

The verification fee is provisionally €45 plus the applicable VAT in accordance with the tax regulations of the recipient’s country.

Further information is available upon submission of the ODIS query form which is automatically generated during the cross-swap attempt.

Please ensure that your ODIS software is always up to date.

Requests submitted with manipulated or incomplete ODIS forms cannot be processed.

If you have any questions, please forward the above-mentioned TPI to the independent workshops in your market.
Cross swapping as same brand different vehicle?

As You can't use Audi WFS slaves in VW ie.... . Tried -> Failed.

Funny is that You can't even know which car it came as they don't list that in many cases and asking seller doesn't help
 
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i think cross swapping would be same brand only. Even if part numbers means cross compatibility i doubt they will allow it just to be a pain and make you buy the new part.
Used part is 100% going to have to be from a reputable supplier; if they see its from a stolen car or parts etc im sure the odis user wil be penalised for it. probably 3 strikes and your out
 
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As You can't use Audi WFS slaves in VW ie.... . Tried -> Failed.

Funny is that You can't even know which car it came as they don't list that in many cases and asking seller doesn't help
what immo parts you cant recognize from where they from ?
 
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what immo parts you cant recognize from where they from ?
If seller doesn't list where part is from or is incorrect. Of course You can use Adv.ID once You have it, but then You have to deal with shipping back etc... .

I had the luck of buying OCU module 3 times as each ad said it was from VW but actually Skoda.
 
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Decisions like this are the reason I love the people that create offline solutions, FEC Generators etc


Having to pay 2 sessions was already an issue, but now we are getting increased session prices AND a processing fee all for a single job!
 
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i think cross swapping would be same brand only.

Once a immobilizer type/generation the brand as well as the power class are the deciding factors for general compatibility, unrelated to the ID based authenticity of the part itself.

Used part is 100% going to have to be from a reputable supplier; if they see its from a stolen car or parts etc im sure the odis user wil be penalised for it. probably 3 strikes and your out

The source generally isn't the issue, as it hasn't been relevant in the past for the actual authenticity of the part. I have seen 2 general rejection reasons for used parts in the past. One being theft and the Serial Number / FAZIT ID being in the theft database and therefor blocked, the others being a blacklisted ID's for other causes such as previously being installed in pre-series / development vehicles and not being fit/authorized for road use.

Back in 2003/2004 this was a purely manual process and I had my fair share of experiences with that after buying some used instrument clusters from a VW certified dismantler (not your neighborhood chopshop). In the end the dealer had a gotten a stop in the process, resulting in a fast call from VW HQ and then while they had offered me a coffee during my wait times a back then green and white VW T4 with those nice and fancy blue lights on the roof pulled up. 😉 Sure, nothing came of it as I had invoices etc. to prove my case and the dismantler had sold parts they were not supposed to resell in the first place, but it wasn't a comfortable situation for anybody involved.

I had the luck of buying OCU module 3 times as each ad said it was from VW but actually Skoda.

OCU's are generally not transferrable, they may physically fit and the software will work but the IMEI is tied to the VIN and once they mismatch, the unit is IMEI is supposed to be blocked by the provider for good and the eSIM essentially is VOID. According to my latest information, this process cannot be reverted and a new unit must be fitted.

Decisions like this are the reason I love the people that create offline solutions, FEC Generators etc
No, those tools are not created for the aftermarket. They are created by demand from outfits making money with stolen parts and theft itself. These tools being available to the aftermarket is merely the creators having a secondary semi-legit revenue stream. 🤫
 
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No, those tools are not created for the aftermarket. They are created by demand from outfits making money with stolen parts and theft itself. These tools being available to the aftermarket is merely the creators having a secondary semi-legit revenue stream. 🤫
I guess you can be right in the sorts of Component Protection disabling and offline cloning.

But in terms of FEC Generators, allowing the activation of ACC, PACC for vehicles where it was not factory, or MIB2/3 region conversions for activations of maps, app Connect abilities. That’s what amazes me, it would be a whole lot more difficult if we had to stick by VW’s system.
 
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FEC Generators (which aren't actually generators because they don't use production firmware/keys but instead pre-production firmware and keys etc.) are a straight circumvention of copy protection mechanisms and license agreement. These cases you describe like region conversions etc. are edge cases, something 99.9 % of shops will never see, which is why VW doesn't care for such changes in real life shop situations. They are not worth their efforts and again, the people who get the most use out of this are those who are trying to circumvent paying those who created the underlaying product, the money they are owed. It's not about the fraction of "good guys" real life applications, those are merely side effects.

As for the ACC/pACC activation you are referring to, technically due to these options not being factory available for these specific models, any retrofit can by definition not be street legal in most countries. Therefor there is no purpose for a vehicle manufacturer to support such a retrofit/activation.
 
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You need to remember that VW makes a LOT of money from aftersales. Now when the world is moving inevitably towards electric cars, this aftersales market is declining fast. They need to come with new ways to squeeze the last euro/dollar out from it's customers.

I don't have any compassion for this kind of changes they make. It is just pure greed and last useless effort to keep clinging on old world practices.

I'm just speechless
 
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While I believe you are ignoring all sorts background details, starting with regulatory requirements and so much more, do you have examples where another manufacturers are doing exactly what you asking from VW here?
 
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Tesla as one. They give you basically all the information and tools to DIY. You can buy toolbox access to allow you to add trailer as an example. With VW you either cannot do it, or you need to buy very expensive aftermarket retrofit kit. The attitude is completely different.
And they allow certain 2nd hand parts to be installed. Of course security related no but others yes.

But taking their American nature, the right to repair is strong in this one.

What are the regulatory requirements you are referring to?
 
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Tesla? Really? Have you actually worked on one and tried to get parts and tools from Tesla? There is a reason why tools like LOKI exist and it's not because Tesla is as forthcoming as you describe it. Tesla is actually way more restrictive on things like parts than Volkswagen, they will not sell you any parts even if you are an independent shop unless they deem you worthy.
 
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On the other hand there is FCA where you got no information or paper of regulation to use different wheel or something similar.

Or "old" Opel (GM based cars), where a lot of things aren't available anymore. Things like PIN Code, or genuine parts which are important to use the car. And this happen for Insignia or Astra J, where some of them actually not reach the 10 years mark.

And this are just some easy example.... VAG is not really good in these things, but much better than most of the other brands actually....
 
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Tesla? Really? Have you actually worked on one and tried to get parts and tools from Tesla? There is a reason why tools like LOKI exist and it's not because Tesla is as forthcoming as you describe it. Tesla is actually way more restrictive on things like parts than Volkswagen, they will not sell you any parts even if you are an independent shop unless they deem you worthy.
That is not actually correct. I've bought a lot of parts from them. They even offer their parts catalog for free and in many countries you can even order directly from the catalog. In Finland you need to order them via service centers.

Also I don't understand for what you would need LOKI for? Maybe really old Tesla vehicles?
Now it's enough that you have ethernet cable and laptop with web browser. You then buy diagnostic software access for 75$ a day and you get access to complete vehicle. Only thing you cannot do unless you're an authorized repair shop, is replacing parts that are involved in vehicle or backend security.
But you can run diagnostic routines, output tests, replacement procedures, configuration changes etc etc. Also there's a really good guided function to check if there's a real problem flagged by vehicle alerts.

How you do it with VW. You first apply for permission to access the diagnostic network. That will cost you 2000€ here, just to apply. Then you apply for brand (if you get past the first phase), which each brand costing around 1000€ per year. And to get to this point, you also need to pass security audit. If you pass all of them and pay up, then you can start using ODIS and factory connection. Of course you then also need to pay for a diagnostic session which is roughly 25€ per day.

Of course they will grant you access to IMMO and other security functions as well. But to me this sounds like that it is not really supporting the "right to repair" act very well.

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On the other hand there is FCA where you got no information or paper of regulation to use different wheel or something similar.

Or "old" Opel (GM based cars), where a lot of things aren't available anymore. Things like PIN Code, or genuine parts which are important to use the car. And this happen for Insignia or Astra J, where some of them actually not reach the 10 years mark.

And this are just some easy example.... VAG is not really good in these things, but much better than most of the other brands actually....

Fair enough. I didn't know that about Opel. Interesting that they are doing what you wrote, as 10 year availability AFTER the production of the car has stopped is regulated by law.
 
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I didn't know that about Opel.
I wonder if the changes of ownership during the last 10 years, first from GM to PSA, then to Stellantis, might have been a contributing factor to this?

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I wonder if the changes of ownership during the last 10 years, first from GM to PSA, then to Stellantis, might have been a contributing factor to this?

-Uwe-

True. Most likely had at least some impact. Maybe they just conviniently forgot 😊
 
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Totally agree with Uwe as Opel was transfered from GM to Stellantis..... So rules are changed....

We have a Motorsport Team near our office which use a Astra J as Cup Car in past and won some Championship with it, but now they can't use car anymore as some mandatory parts aren't available anymore. Also not with the Opel Motorsport contact as they close this departement.
 
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