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Hello everyone,
I'm a long term VCDS user and thus rarely get stuck these days but this 2014 (Gen 1 facelift) Audi R8 V8 S tronic Spyder issue is driving me mad so any help appreciated.
The symptoms are as follows;
Intermittently but more often than not, when car has been left for a period of time, on first attempt to start the car, there is no crank and the brake system warning flashes up in red on DIS.
The instrument cluster does power up OK but the fuel range shows as zero when gauge shows plenty of fuel (every other reading is correct including 12v on voltmeter).
Then a few seconds later (it can vary from a second to maybe 10 seconds) you can hear the fuel pump energise and the fuel range shows correctly.
Cycle the ignition and car starts on second attempt every time and drives perfectly. For quite a long time previously it wouldn't crank on first turn but always on second but cluster behaved normally, however a Terminal 15 related DTC was logged so I suspect the issue has got worse over time.
Instrument cluster image here;
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/9sbf...ey=hrzxwqzkcbsm19vlah3du7wga&st=qkn8znf5&dl=0
I have used Erwin to locate the terminal 15 relay which is in the passenger footwell and swapped for the other 643 relay in there no difference - it is possible but unlikely that the other relay (both genuine VWG parts made by Hella in China) is suffering exactly the same fault. I have also fitted a non-genuine Bosch relay with a part number that crosses over but it's possible it may not be 100% correct for the purpose here.
If I remove the terminal 15 relay altogether (from slot 6) the fault occurs exactly as stated above but doesn't resolve itself.
I've fitted a new Hella AGM battery as weak battery always used to cause this fault on older Audis but it's made no difference.
Below is a full scan, ignore passenger door electrics and microphone DTCs as they are pre-existing faults, everything else is 100% as a result of this issue.
Any help much appreciated.
Andrew
I'm a long term VCDS user and thus rarely get stuck these days but this 2014 (Gen 1 facelift) Audi R8 V8 S tronic Spyder issue is driving me mad so any help appreciated.
The symptoms are as follows;
Intermittently but more often than not, when car has been left for a period of time, on first attempt to start the car, there is no crank and the brake system warning flashes up in red on DIS.
The instrument cluster does power up OK but the fuel range shows as zero when gauge shows plenty of fuel (every other reading is correct including 12v on voltmeter).
Then a few seconds later (it can vary from a second to maybe 10 seconds) you can hear the fuel pump energise and the fuel range shows correctly.
Cycle the ignition and car starts on second attempt every time and drives perfectly. For quite a long time previously it wouldn't crank on first turn but always on second but cluster behaved normally, however a Terminal 15 related DTC was logged so I suspect the issue has got worse over time.
Instrument cluster image here;
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/9sbf...ey=hrzxwqzkcbsm19vlah3du7wga&st=qkn8znf5&dl=0
I have used Erwin to locate the terminal 15 relay which is in the passenger footwell and swapped for the other 643 relay in there no difference - it is possible but unlikely that the other relay (both genuine VWG parts made by Hella in China) is suffering exactly the same fault. I have also fitted a non-genuine Bosch relay with a part number that crosses over but it's possible it may not be 100% correct for the purpose here.
If I remove the terminal 15 relay altogether (from slot 6) the fault occurs exactly as stated above but doesn't resolve itself.
I've fitted a new Hella AGM battery as weak battery always used to cause this fault on older Audis but it's made no difference.
Below is a full scan, ignore passenger door electrics and microphone DTCs as they are pre-existing faults, everything else is 100% as a result of this issue.
Any help much appreciated.
Andrew
Code:
Tuesday,02,September,2025,09:02:01:44744
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 25.3.0.4 (x64) HEX-V2 CB: 0.4671.4
Data version: 20250311 DS365.0
www.Ross-Tech.com
VIN: WUAZZZ427EN002581 License Plate:
Chassis Type: 42-AU35 (7N0)
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 10 11 31 15 16 17 19 25 26 2E 37 3D 42 46 47
52 56 61 77 A6 C2
VIN: WUAZZZ427EN002581 Mileage: 51910km-32255miles
01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Malfunction 0010
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: OK 0000
11-Engine II -- Status: OK 0000
31-Engine other -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
26-Auto Roof -- Status: OK 0000
2E-Media Player 3 -- Status: OK 0000
37-Navigation -- Status: OK 0000
3D-Special Function -- Status: Malfunction 0010
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
47-Sound System -- Status: Malfunction 0010
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
61-Battery Regul. -- Status: OK 0000
77-Telephone -- Status: OK 0000
A6-Microphone -- Status: Malfunction 0010
C2-Auto Trans 2 -- Status: OK 0000
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine (CND) Labels:. 079-910-560-BYH1.clb
Part No SW: 424 910 560 K HW: 420 907 560 C
Component: 4.2L V8HDZ/4V FS ª0010
Revision: F6H10--- Serial number: AUX7Z0N2FN500P
Coding: 0110000C240F0120
Shop #: WSC 55169 001 104857
VCID: 1A6C2980A095555A613-804E
VINID: 9E546AAAA1021D578000214804598E1C77
No fault code found.
Readiness: 0000 0000
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 02: Auto Trans (J217) Labels:. 0BH-927-711.clb
Part No SW: 420 927 155 F HW: 0BH 927 711 C
Component: 0BZ_42FSI_RdW H08 1708
Revision: 00H08V01 CVN: 39B8319B
Coding: 0014
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMDL800041 001006
ROD: EV_TCMDL800041_AU35.rod
VCID: 196E368CA9135E42689-804C
Selector lever:
Subsystem 1 - Part No: 420 713 041 E
Component: SCHALTBETAET. C05 0A13
Serial number: 00000000001203143637
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 420-910-517.lbl
Part No SW: 420 910 379 A HW: 420 614 517 F
Component: ESP8 quattro H01 0300
Revision: 00000000 Serial number: 00000000000000
Coding: 0004356
Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
VCID: 147047B84271632A3BF-8040
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 420-820-043.clb
Part No SW: 420 820 043 J HW: 420 820 043 J
Component: J255 Klima 1 Zone 0100
Revision: 00H06008 Serial number: 00000001254178
Coding: 1573896
Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
VCID: 117E4EAC7D639602109-8044
2 Faults Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module
004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100100
Fault Priority: 5
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 235
Mileage: 51910 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2025.09.02
Time: 08:58:26
00256 - A/C Pressure/Temperature Sensor (G395)
004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100100
Fault Priority: 3
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 235
Mileage: 51910 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2025.09.02
Time: 08:58:26
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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519) Labels:. 8P0-907-063.clb
Part No SW: 8P0 907 063 AD HW: 8P0 907 063 AD
Component: BCM PQ35 H 113 0771
Revision: AE113771
Coding: 07000A25E805F120207068E021200048D6F2AB00B120C92ADC0806140005
Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
VCID: 76B41D3078CDD13AA5B-8022
Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 427 955 114 A HW: 427 955 114 A
Component: Wischer AudiR H23 0011
Coding: 005912
Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8K0 910 557 HW: 8K0 955 559 A Labels: 8K0-955-559.CLB
Component: REGENLICHTSEN H04 0003
Coding: 025B32
Subsystem 3 - Part No: 8J0 951 177
Component: DWA-Sensor H0 H03 0030
Subsystem 4 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
Component: LIN BACKUP HO H05 1501
9 Faults Found:
00185 - Control Circuit; Relay for Supply Voltage Terminal 15
012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00101100
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 4
Reset counter: 235
Mileage: 51910 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2025.09.02
Time: 08:46:45
Freeze Frame:
Term 15 On
Voltage: 12.30 V
ON
ON
Term 50 On
OFF
OFF
00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85)
004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100100
Fault Priority: 6
Fault Frequency: 2
Reset counter: 235
Mileage: 51910 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2025.09.02
Time: 08:46:48
Freeze Frame:
Term 15 On
Voltage: 12.40 V
ON
ON
Term 50 On
OFF
OFF
01314 - Engine Control Module
004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100100
Fault Priority: 6
Fault Frequency: 2
Reset counter: 235
Mileage: 51910 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2025.09.02
Time: 08:46:48
Freeze Frame:
Term 15 On
Voltage: 12.40 V
ON
ON
Term 50 On
OFF
OFF
01315 - Transmission Control Module
004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100100
Fault Priority: 6
Fault Frequency: 2
Reset counter: 235
Mileage: 51910 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2025.09.02
Time: 08:46:48
Freeze Frame:
Term 15 On
Voltage: 12.40 V
ON
ON
Term 50 On
OFF
OFF
01316 - ABS Control Module
004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100100
Fault Priority: 6
Fault Frequency: 2
Reset counter: 235
Mileage: 51910 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2025.09.02
Time: 08:46:48
Freeze Frame:
Term 15 On
Voltage: 12.40 V
ON
ON
Term 50 On
OFF
OFF
01321 - Control Module for Airbags (J234)
004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100100
Fault Priority: 6
Fault Frequency: 2
Reset counter: 235
Mileage: 51910 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2025.09.02
Time: 08:46:48
Freeze Frame:
Term 15 On
Voltage: 12.40 V
ON
ON
Term 50 On
OFF
OFF
00834 - Signal for Activation of Heated Rear Window
009 - Open or Short to Ground - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00101001
Fault Priority: 5
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 235
Mileage: 51910 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2025.09.02
Time: 08:52:27
Freeze Frame:
Term 15 Off
Voltage: 12.55 V
OFF
ON
Term 50 Off
OFF
OFF
00927 - Terminal 30 (Right)
011 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00101011
Fault Priority: 1
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 235
Mileage: 51910 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2025.09.02
Time: 08:54:17
Freeze Frame:
Term 15 Off
Voltage: 12.55 V
OFF
ON
Term 50 Off
OFF
OFF
01516 - Terminal 30; Left
011 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00101011
Fault Priority: 1
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 235
Mileage: 51910 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2025.09.02
Time: 08:54:18
Freeze Frame:
Term 15 Off
Voltage: 12.55 V
OFF
ON
Term 50 Off
OFF
OFF
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J446) Labels:. 8P0-919-475-7X2.clb
Part No SW: 8P0 919 475 Q HW: 8P0 919 475 N
Component: PARKHILFE 8K H01 0150
Revision: 11001001 Serial number: 12561409100017
Coding: 10010E
Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
VCID: 4CC09FD856C1FBEA23F-8018
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 11: Engine II Labels:. 079-910-560-BYH2.clb
Part No SW: 424 910 560 K HW: 420 907 560 C
Component: 4.2L V8HDZ/4V FS ª0010
Revision: F6H10--- Serial number: AUX7Z0N2FN500P
Coding: 0110000C240F0120
Shop #: WSC 55169 001 104857
VCID: 1A6C2980A095555A613-804E
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 15: Airbags Labels: None
Part No SW: 427 959 655 HW: 427 959 655
Component: 13 Airbag 9.43 H02 0030
Revision: 93H02003 Serial number: 003B80005WT2
Coding: 0012595
Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
VCID: 64905778D25153AA0BF-8030
Subsystem 1 - Serial number: 63328RB406E6708FY
Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 63428RB406E6708CW
Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 63747RB4072237509
Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 63847RB4072227B7M
No fault code found.
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Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 8P0-953-549-F.lbl
Part No SW: 8P0 953 549 F HW: 8P0 953 549 F
Component: J0527 H38 0070
Coding: 0004141
Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
VCID: 41DEBEEC6D832682C09-8014
Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX
Component: E0221 H06 0040
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 17: Instruments Labels: 420-920-xxx-17.clb
Part No SW: 420 920 981 N HW: 420 920 981 N
Component: KOMBIINSTR. VDO H05 0793
Revision: D0H05008 Serial number: 2242N008000202
Coding: 0000428
Shop #: WSC 58785 004 104857
VCID: 211E1E6C8DC30682A09-8074
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533) Labels:. 7N0-907-530-V2.clb
Part No SW: 7N0 907 530 AL HW: 7N0 907 530 AL
Component: J533 Gateway H58 1642
Revision: H58 Serial number: 020414F1003801
Coding: 355109
Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
VCID: 7AAC09004CD5B55AC13-802E
1 Fault Found:
00576 - Terminal 15
008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00101000
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 4
Reset counter: 235
Mileage: 51910 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2025.09.02
Time: 08:46:47
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 25: Immobilizer Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
Part No SW: 420 920 981 N HW: 420 920 981 N
Component: KOMBIINSTR. VDO H05 0793
Revision: D0H05008 Serial number: AUX7Z0N2FN500P
Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
VCID: 211E1E6C8DC30682A09-8074
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 26: Auto Roof (J256) Labels:| 427-959-255.clb
Part No SW: 427 959 255 B HW: 427 959 255 B
Component: VSG-AU715 H05 0100
Coding: 000001
Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
ASAM Dataset: EV_ElectRoofContrAU715 001006
ROD: EV_ElectRoofContrAU715.rod
VCID: 221C116084451D9AB93-8076
No fault code found.
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Address 2E: Media Player 3 (R199) Labels:. 8T0-035-785.clb
Part No SW: 420 035 785 HW: 420 035 785
Component: SG ext.Player H08 0100
Revision: 00000000
Coding: 020202
Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
VCID: 52FC81A0B4E5AD1A693-8006
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 37: Navigation Labels: 8E0-035-192-RNSE.clb
Part No SW: 424 035 192 J HW: 424 035 192 J
Component: RNS-E PU EU H09 0220
Revision: 0000015S Serial number: AUZBZ7S5100012
Coding: 0730725
Shop #: WSC 07214 003 1048576
VCID: 186833885E99474A577-804C
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 3D: Special Function Labels: 8K0-907-440.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 907 440 A HW: 8K0 907 440
Component: STS H04 0030
Revision: S0H04000 Serial number: 00000000099511
Coding: 01010101000000000000000102
Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
VCID: 2C00FF58FA01DBEA03F-8078
1 Fault Found:
03420 - Activation of Accelerator Pedal Position Sensor
008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00101000
Fault Priority: 3
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 235
Mileage: 51910 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2025.09.02
Time: 08:46:47
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 42: Door Elect, Driver Labels: None
Part No SW: 427 959 801 E HW: 427 959 801 E
Component: Tuer-SG H05 0107
Coding: 0021117
Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
VCID: 221C116088C51D9AB93-8076
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 47: Sound System Labels: None
Part No SW: 427 035 223 A HW: 427 035 223 A
Component: J525 Amp High H05 0110
Revision: 00H05001 Serial number: 94845028390103
Coding: 0246122
Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
VCID: 0D4652DC615BB2E2F41-8058
1 Fault Found:
01316 - ABS Control Module
004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100100
Fault Priority: 5
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 235
Mileage: 51910 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2025.09.02
Time: 08:58:26
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. Labels: None
Part No SW: 427 959 802 E HW: 427 959 802 E
Component: Tuer-SG H05 0107
Coding: 0021117
Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
VCID: 2312146497DF1492B25-8076
1 Fault Found:
00944 - Heated Exterior Mirror; Passenger Side (Z5)
012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 56: Radio Labels: 8E0-035-192-RNSE.clb
Part No SW: 424 035 192 J HW: 424 035 192 J
Component: RNS-E PU EU H09 0220
Revision: 0000015S Serial number: AUZBZ7S5100012
Coding: 0730725
Shop #: WSC 07214 003 1048576
VCID: 186833885E99474A577-804C
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 61: Battery Regul. (J840) Labels:. 1K0-907-534.clb
Part No SW: 7N0 907 534 HW: 7N0 907 530 AL
Component: Batt.regelung H58 1642
Serial number: 020414F1003801
Coding: F32E1146
Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
VCID: 71BE2E2C11A3F602709-8024
Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 420 915 181 HW: 420 915 181
Component: J367-BDM H07 0140
Serial number: 41086537125041981164
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 77: Telephone Labels: 8P0-862-335.lbl
Part No SW: 8P1 862 335 A HW: 8P1 862 335
Component: FSE_256x BT H44 0660
Revision: 00000000 Serial number: 00000005650905
Coding: 0011402
Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
VCID: 3536DA3C294B9A226C1-8060
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address A6: Microphone (J886) Labels:. 420-907-394.clb
Part No SW: 420 907 394 HW: 420 907 394
Component: BELTMICBOX H09 0060
Coding: 0100010202
Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
ASAM Dataset: EV_BeltMicAU715 002011
ROD: EV_BeltMicAU715_002.rod
VCID: 56F47DB0988DB13A85B-8002
2 Faults Found:
0080 - Microphone 1 for Drivers Side
B1203 13 [00001001] - Open Circuit
Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Priority: 4
Fault Frequency: 1
0112 - Microphone 3 for Drivers Side
B1205 13 [00001001] - Open Circuit
Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Priority: 4
Fault Frequency: 1
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address C2: Auto Trans 2 (J217) Labels: None
Part No SW: 420 927 109 B HW: 420 927 109 B
Component: 0BZ DL800 H04 0011
Revision: --H04--- Serial number: 0000000062 CVN: 0000DF28
Coding: 000001
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMDL800421 001010
ROD: EV_TCMDL800.rod
VCID: 147047B84EF1632A3BF-8040
No fault code found.
End----------(Elapsed Time: 01:38, VBatt start/end: 12.4V/12.4V)-----------
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