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Hello i have this fault code ,when I delete the fault the first time the starter doesnt work when the fault exist the car work normal but I have the lamp in instrument flashing(lamp for glow plug)

Code:
Monday,05,May,2025,15:55:50:57658
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 25.3.1.0 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4671.4
Data version: 20250408 DS365.0
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VIN: WVWZZZ6RZFY122964   License Plate:


Chassis Type: 6R-VW26 (6C0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 17 19 44 5F

VIN: WVWZZZ6RZFY122964   Mileage: 189380km-117675miles

01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
5F-Information Electr. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
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Address 01: Engine (J623-CUSA)       Labels:. 04B-907-445-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 04B 997 027 F    HW: 04B 907 445
   Component: R3 1.4l TDI   H07 9436
   Revision: 21003001  
   Coding: 01114012432401080000
   Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM14TDI03004B997027F 004003
   ROD: EV_ECM14TDI03004B906027_004_VW26.rod
   VCID: 2E060460B09956DA2D7-807A
   VINID: 9E69EAAAA1A2A96A41082246107502BAFC

2 Faults Found:
16197 - Starter Control; Returned Message
          P3053 00 [10101111] - 50 Short to Ground
          [Starter activation: return message terminal 50Open/short to Ground (GND)]
          MIL ON - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Mileage: 189380 km
                    Date: 2025.05.05
                    Time: 15:53:46

                    Engine speed: 202.00 /min
                    Normed load value: 0.0 %
                    Vehicle speed: 0 km/h
                    Coolant temperature: 85 °C
                    Intake air temperature: 60 °C
                    Ambient air pressure: 1000 mbar
                    Voltage terminal 30: 10.562 V
                    Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
                    Starter control: terminal 50 feedback-Terminal 50 on CAN: not active
                    Starter control: terminal 50 feedback-Terminal 50 CAN valid: not active
                    Starter control: terminal 50 feedback-Terminal 50 via cable: active
                    Starter control: terminal 50 feedback-Starter relay: active
                    Starter control: terminal 50 feedback-Starter operation read back wire T50Ret: not active
                    Starter control: terminal 50 feedback: 18
                    Starter control: terminal 50: active

27121 - Oxygen (Lambda) Sensor B1 S2
          P0136 00 [01100101] - Malfunction in Circuit
          Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Mileage: 189380 km
                    Date: 2025.05.05
                    Time: 15:53:58

                    Engine speed: 836.50 /min
                    Normed load value: 14.9 %
                    Vehicle speed: 0 km/h
                    Coolant temperature: 85 °C
                    Intake air temperature: 59 °C
                    Ambient air pressure: 1000 mbar
                    Voltage terminal 30: 12.289 V
                    Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
                    Wraf state-Delphi Wraf State: WRAF_DEW_POINT
                    O2 sens. 1 bank 1 upstrm oxi cat: raw value: 1.000 counts
                    O2 sensor 1 bank 1 dwnstrm cat.: raw value: 1.000 counts
                    Oxyg.sens.bank 1 before oxi cat:act.-integr.pump curr.adapt.: 0.000 A
                    Voltage of oxygen sensor bank 1 sensor 1 (broadband sensor): 0.062 Lambda / 0.000 V
                    Voltage of oxygen sensor bank 1 sensor 2 (broadband sensor): 0.062 Lambda / 0.000 V
                    Voltage of oxygen sensor bank 1 sensor 1 (broadband sensor): 0.000 Lambda / 0.277 V
                    O2 sen. bank 1 upstrm oxi cat: elec. correct. pump current: 0.000 A
                    P_L_Wraf_back_pressure_estimate-Back_pressure_estimate: 1.046 bar
                    Wraf pure air deviation correction factor: 0.9698
                    Dew point passed at the wraf location-Bool type: Yes
                    Fuel cut-off at the Wraf sensor location: taking into account the exhaust mass flow-Bool type: No
                    Electrical WRAF fault detected-Bool type: No
                    P_L_Wraf_ip_temp_compensation-Compensation_value: 0.0456 mA
                    Wraf open circuit heater-Delphi Wraf Sc2vbat Oc Sc2gnd: P_L_WRAF_NO_FAULT

Readiness: N/A

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:. 6R0-907-37x-ESP90.clb
   Part No SW: 6C0 907 379 G    HW: 6R0 907 379 BA
   Component: ESP9.0i       H03 0003
   Serial number: 08502306140717
   Coding: 21DD2485892533C2091D106F0055842491CC90080007C5090C00
   Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Brake1ESP90iBOSCHPQ26 100018
   ROD: EV_Brake1ESP90iBOSCHPQ26_VW26.rod
   VCID: 333015145BBB7B32429-8066

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels:| 6C0-907-044.clb
   Part No SW: 6C0 907 044 A    HW: 6C0 907 044 A
   Component: Climatronic   H02 0104
   Serial number:  1407233A-0044 Dataset Number: 6C0032v____ 0009
   Coding: 201000001001000201
   Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ACClimaValeoPQ26 003001
   ROD: EV_ACClimaValeoPQ26_001_VW26.rod
   VCID: 221EE050F441E2BAB9F-8076

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:| 6C0-937-089-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 6C0 937 089 A    HW: 6C0 937 089
   Component: BCM PQ26 Hi4R H06 0047
   Serial number: 009248007758 Dataset Number: 6C0063V____ 0115
   Coding: 00000840425300DB4B844080B127038800005B0257010000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 131071 1023 2097151
   ASAM Dataset: EV_BCMA0 004003
   ROD: EV_MQBA0.rod
   VCID: 2E060460B09956DA2D7-807A

   Driver door control module:
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 801 AT    HW: 6R0 959 801 AT  Labels: 6R0-959-801.CLB
   Component: J386__TSG_FT  003 8612
   Serial number: KU0KU015071441967455
   Coding: 0400A0

   Front passenger door control module:
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 802 BE    HW: 6R0 959 802 BE  Labels: 6R0-959-802.CLB
   Component: J387__TSG_BT  003 8612
   Serial number: KU0KU016071441972865
   Coding: 1400A0

   Anti-theft alarm system sensor:
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 6C0 951 171     HW: 5Q0 951 171
   Component: Sensor, DWA  005 0315
   Serial number: 000000000ZY141613GJW

   Alarm horn:
   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 5Q0 951 605     HW: 5Q0 951 605
   Component: Sirene, DWA  004 0311
   Serial number: 00000000000059611389

   Humidity sensor: interior:

   Rear Driver Side Door Control Module:
   Subsystem 6 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 811 N    HW: 6R0 959 811 N
   Component: J388__TSG_HL  003 8610
   Serial number: KU0KU013081442255114
   Coding: 0400A0

   Rear Passenger Door Control Module:
   Subsystem 7 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 812 N    HW: 6R0 959 812 N
   Component: J389__TSG_HR  003 8610
   Serial number: KU0KU012081442242628
   Coding: 1400A0

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 6C0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 6C0 959 655 A    HW: 6C0 959 655 A
   Component: VW20Airbag01B 001 0330
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 003LM00419J- Dataset Number: 6C0003V____ 0249
   Coding: 88C0C000000000005C0000CA000800000000
   Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW20BPAVW26X 001001
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW20BPAVW26X.rod
   VCID: 313C1F1CA1A74922305-8064

   Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side:
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 410 822 906 14
   Component: SideSensor_Df  151 0800
   Serial number: 3575H00BF15A4C0390AV
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Crash sensor for side airbag: passenger side:
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 410 822 906 14
   Component: SideSensor_Pf  151 0800
   Serial number: 3585H00A715A98F1A0E%
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Rear Side Airbag Crash Sensor (on driver's side):
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 442 150 108 14
   Component: SideSensor_Dr  1CA 0148
   Serial number: 3517A009D16C1CE0C25R
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Passenger side rear thorax airbag crash sensor:
   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 442 150 108 14
   Component: SideSensor_Pr  1CA 0148
   Serial number: 3527A009F16C1CE543E.
   Coding: 2D2D2D

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 6C0-920-KOM-V1.clb-SRI3
   Part No SW: 6C0 920 741 A    HW: 6C0 920 741 A
   Component: KOMBI         211 0260
   Coding: 072409002180000800086A001000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB 009036
   ROD: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB_009_VW26.rod
   VCID: 211CEF5CF147F9A2A05-8074

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:| 6C0-909-901-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 6C0 909 901     HW: 6C0 937 089
   Component: GW MQB A0     H06 0047
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 009248007758 Dataset Number: 6C0067v____
   Coding: 030100044F0A590071000000000000010001000000000000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
   GVL: 01403C0000000000400000000000480000000000000000000000000000000000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_GatewA0Lear 001001
   ROD: EV_GatewA0Lear_001_VW26.rod
   VCID: 6594BB4CA5EFD5821CD-8030

   Multifunction steering wheel control module:
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 6C0 959 442 A    HW: 6C0 959 442 A  Labels: 3C8-959-537.CLB
   Component: E221__MFL-TAT  H03 0015
   Serial number: 1961419585002154AD1B
   Coding: 280000

   Battery Monitoring Control Module:
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 6C0 915 181 A    HW: 6C0 915 181 A
   Component: J367-BDM  H08 0223
   Serial number: 51204L31462821558722

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist (J792)       Labels:| 6Rx-909-144-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 6C1 909 144 M    HW: 6C1 909 144 D
   Component: EPS_TRW_ALow  312 3211
   Serial number: PE880578 Dataset Number: 6C0074V____ 0224
   Coding: 0007
   Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SteerAssisUDSTRW 011021
   ROD: EV_SteerAssisUDSTRW_011.rod
   VCID: 323E1010A4A1723A49F-8066

No fault code found.

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Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels:| 5G0-035-MIB-STD2.clb
   Part No SW: 3Q0 035 864     HW: 3Q0 035 864
   Component: MU-S-N-ER     H10 0138
   Serial number: VWZAZ2P4551067 Dataset Number: 5G0CV1v____ 0001
   Coding: 02620001BE00000011110001000808001F01048401200100C6
   Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
   ASAM Dataset: EV_MUStd4CTSAT 001018
   ROD: EV_MUStd4CTSAT_VW26.rod
   VCID: 6E86C460701916DA6D7-803A

   Display and control head 1 for information electronics:
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 6C0 919 603 A    HW: 6C0 919 603 A
   Component: ABTm_Std2_Nav  H41 1017
   Serial number: VWZ8Z9PH200AG5    

   Data carrier:
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: V03 959 820 CN    HW: -----------
   Component: ECE DL4 23/24  --- 2010
   Serial number: --------------------

1 Fault Found:
0518 - Front Right Treble Speaker
          B1064 13 [00001001] - Open Circuit
          [Hochtonlautsprecher Kanal 2: Unterbrechung (AC-Diagnose)]
          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 175
                    Mileage: 189380 km
                    Date: 2025.05.05
                    Time: 15:48:31

                    Voltage terminal 30: 12.3 V


End----------(Elapsed Time: 00:49, VBatt start/end: 13.3V/13.3V)-----------
------------------------------3 Faults Found-------------------------------
 
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That is a line 50 error, the trigger feed to the starter solenoid and provided by the BCM from memory, I would need to check the wiring diagram at work. It means that the circuit is open so suggesting a broken wire or detached connector, has the box been out or any other work near the starter? The starter used on yours is by “Valeo, the new prince of Darkness” and was revised in 2020 from 02Z 911 021 C to 02Z 911 021 K and VW usually only do that if there is a problem. We replace Valeo with Bosch, in this case their 0 986 025 070





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Fuse SB15 (5A) good?
 
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That is a line 50 error, the trigger feed to the starter solenoid and provided by the BCM from memory, I would need to check the wiring diagram at work. It means that the circuit is open so suggesting a broken wire or detached connector, has the box been out or any other work near the starter? The starter used on yours is by “Valeo, the new prince of Darkness” and was revised in 2020 from 02Z 911 021 C to 02Z 911 021 K and VW usually only do that if there is a problem. We replace Valeo with Bosch, in this case their 0 986 025 070





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He doing a work about turbo ,so I will check the wiring
 
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Possibly related, has it started since work was done on the turbo?
 
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the problem appear after work on turbo
 
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Quite possibly related then, I will have a look at the wiring diagram at work tomorrow
 
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