Sell me on EVs.... VAG or otherwise...

[Uwe]

my grid rate of 21 cents per kWh

When you getting solar?

Don't make me add up my PECO bills from 2025 and divide by the number of kWhs I consumed.

Oh wait, I already did that:

Total Consumption: 14,848 kWh
Total Production: 13,863 kWh (1)
Total of 12 electric bills for the year: $504.05

$504.05 / 14,848 kWh = 3.4 cents / kWh.

Maybe I should buy an EV?

-Uwe-

 

[SaVAGeSoot]

Maybe I should buy an EV?

You could just let @Andy charge at your place.... even if you double the rate to make a profit off him, he'd still be getting a deal

 

[Uwe]

You could just let @Andy charge at your place....

Andy already charges for free (albeit only L1) at the office!

-Uwe-

 

[BlueR32]

You guys were supposed to sell me on EVs, not tell me how the EVs I don't have are pollutin

I doubt anyone can "sell" anyone anything that they don't want. Either an EV works for you or it doesn't. I think all the relative points have been discussed. Only you can decide what works for you.

 

[BlueR32]

Here's a fun factoid. In the frozen tundra that currently is the Philadelphia area (most of the country too I suppose) I filled my ID.4 up to 80% on my Level 2 charger and then set out to the Philly Auto Show. I drove 27 miles there and 27 miles home. My efficiency indicated by the ID.4 was an indicated craptacular 2.4 mi/kWh down and 2.3 mi/kWh back up. That should mean I used about 23 kWh. When I got home I plugged in and charged up to 80% which my Emporia L2 charger indicated 26.48 kWh or $6.31 at my grid rate of 21 cents per kWh. I got to thinking, just under 12 cents per mile? If my ID.4 was a Taos AWD (rated at EPA 25 city 33 hwy) I bet it would have consumed 2.16 gallons of 87 octane which costs $2.749 per gallon at my local BJ's. That's $5.93 or under 11 cents per mile. Clearly electric cars should be put away for winter like a sports car while a winter beater gasser takes their place.

As we've seen with grid outages, EVs can't travel far when the grid is down for days. It's all a matter of choices. Buy/drive what makes you happy. I do.

 

[Andy]

Blessed be those with multiple energy choices:

 

[BlueR32]

I hear EV sales are so bad that when you buy a new EV they include a portable gasoline powered generator and a gallon of fuel.

BTW, are you supposed to align the center of your car with the parking space lines? I always wondered if I was doing it wrong...

 

[BlueR32]

"https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/com...r&cvid=698178dac3994f6b8dc2221f746280c0&ei=61"

Good overview of the cost to car companies who bought into the "all electric" ideology. You can bet those financial losses of $114 BILLION are passed on to consumers of all models.

 

[BlueR32]

The hits just keep coming...

"https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/new...ar&cvid=69817ae4659a4daa8c91d2920b0a33d5&ei=9"

"https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/new...&cvid=69817ae4659a4daa8c91d2920b0a33d5&ei=145"

 

[PetrolDave]

I doubt anyone can "sell" anyone anything that they don't want. Either an EV works for you or it doesn't. I think all the relative points have been discussed. Only you can decide what works for you.

If only that were true in the EU and UK where the sale of non-EVs will be banned from 2030 or 2035, so in 5-10 years time we will have no choice.

 

[BlueR32]

If only that were true in the EU and UK where the sale of non-EVs will be banned from 2030 or 2035, so in 5-10 years time we will have no choice.

I thought that people in Urrup get to elect their government reps? Can't the delusional be voted out of office?

 

[UranoMausBosch]

@Uwe - Agree, interested in Slate (low-cost (mid-$20s, 'short' (150mi) range EV with option for 'SUV', strong DIY approach - owner can perform some warranty repairs(!) and basic - roll-up windows, knobs/switches)
Jay Leno garage review

Cold doesn't mean EV range reduction makes vehicle unusable, merely a bit less efficient - and recognize that conventional vehicle mpg drops (sometimes 10% or more) in winter also...especially if (like happens around here) people idle for 10minutes to warm-up/defrost.
I appreciate front windshield electric defrost, seat heaters that *work* and a very smooth/predictable handling balance even through snow/ice/slush - honestly feels more controllable/precise than conventional car(s), with or without manual transmission.

 

[BlueR32]

Cold doesn't mean EV range reduction makes vehicle unusable, merely a bit less efficient - and recognize that conventional vehicle mpg drops (sometimes 10% or more) in winter also...especially if (like happens around here) people idle for 10minutes to warm-up/defrost.
I appreciate front windshield electric defrost, seat heaters that *work* and a very smooth/predictable handling balance even through snow/ice/slush - honestly feels more controllable/precise than conventional car(s), with or without manual transmission.

It depends on the vehicle and conditions. In really cold weather EV's can lose 30% of their range. If that doesn't negatively impact your use, it's all good. One engineer who took a long EV drive in cold weather ended up adding like 8 hours to his journey due to the need to sit at charging stations along his route. It's simply a matter of what works for each individual.

BTW many newer VW's and other brands have excellent seat heaters which are useful IME. Obviously if you don't have an ICE to generate heat to defrost the windshield, you need an electric defroster. All of these electric devices do reduce range though. There is no free lunch regardless of if it's an EV or iCE.

 

[Uwe]

There is no free lunch regardless of if it's an EV or iCE.

Heat in an ICE absolutely is free. It's a waste product that gets dumped outside when it's not needed to heat the cabin.

-Uwe-

 

[SaVAGeSoot]

Heat in an ICE absolutely is free. It's a waste product that gets dumped outside when it's not needed to heat the cabin.

-Uwe-

Not when it comes from the aux heater like it does in my oil burners most of winter

 

[BlueR32]

Heat in an ICE absolutely is free. It's a waste product that gets dumped outside when it's not needed to heat the cabin.

-Uwe-

Well actually it's a byproduct of combustion which requires the burning of fuel. Yes if it were not used to heat the interior then it would be wasted but you still need consumption of fuel to create the heat - which was the point. No combustion = no heat.

 

[Uwe]

No combustion = no heat.

Not entirely true either. Batteries, inverters, and motors -- none of these are 100% efficient and will produce some waste heat when in operation, but it's unlikely to be enough to heat the cabin of a vehicle on a cold day.

-Uwe-

 

[BlueR32]

Not entirely true either. Batteries, inverters, and motors -- none of these are 100% efficient and will produce some waste heat when in operation, but it's unlikely to be enough to heat the cabin of a vehicle on a cold day.

-Uwe-

You're missing the point... ALL of these items convert one form of energy to another in operation. If they aren't "operating" they won't produce heat. There is no free lunch no matter what "source" you use to generate heat from a device. The issue is not efficiency, it's the required operation to produce heat. The operation consumes energy therefore it's not "free".

 

[PetrolDave]

Can't the delusional be voted out of office?

The delusional were voted in with a vast majority, so we're likely stuck with them until 2029

 

[BlueR32]

The delusional were voted in with a vast majority, so we're likely stuck with them until 2029

Sometimes people need a few years of abuse to get in touch with reality. Then it makes it much easier to remove the mentally challenged from office.