DQ200 Mechatronics Accumulator pressure release via VCDS

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Hello, I think this is the right subsection of the forum to ask this.

I have a VW Polo with the DSG7/DQ200 and Im planning on preemptively replacing the stock Accumulator with an upgrade kit before the housing inevitably cracks and fails and leaves me stranded somewhere. Is there a way to relieve the pressure from the accumulator via VCDS in order to safely remove it from its housing. Im not sure if disconnecting the battery and leaving it for half an hour or so will do the trick as I have received mixed feedback on whether or not this would work and I would prefer to minimize the risk if I can simply do it via VCDS because Im getting the work done at an independent garage since the VAG dealers wont do it for me, most likely because they would rather sell me a new mechatronics unit for $$$ when it inevitably fails. It just makes sense to carry my laptop and VCDS cable with me in case whatever scanner the mechanic has isnt capable of doing the job.
I have changed the mech fluid at the 50k mark after leaving the battery disconnected and I did collect close to a liter of fluid so unless there isnt any fluid that enters the accumulator, MAYBE disconnecting the battery works ?

I do have a couple of related questions :

1) My kit came with Ravenol synthetic hydraulic fluid. Can I use this or should I stick with the mineral oil that VW switched to after their original synthetic fluid which had a high sulphur content started shorting out the TCUs on the DSG ? Im assumuing that newer supposedly compatible synthetic fluids would probably have taken this into account. I cant find an MSDS for VWs original fluid to get an idea of what a high sulphur content may look like.

2) Most of the videos I have seen of people upgrading their accumulators dont seem to use a torque wrench for either the three screws that hold the base plate or the accumulator itself. I checked with the manufacturer and they said that hand tightening is fine as long as it isnt over tightened otherwise it is 15 NM for the screws and 70NM for the housing so Im unsure how anal I should be with the torque specs.

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I have seen those accumulator “upgrades” fail but admittedly only when the standard one has failed. A preventive use is an interesting idea but I can’t imagine anyone doing it.
 
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Did you already install the latest DQ200 firmware for your engine/gearbox combo? That drops the maximum working pressure from 60 to 52bar, making the fault less likely to occur.
 
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Is there a way to relieve the pressure from the accumulator via VCDS in order to safely remove it from its housing.
Please post an Auto-Scan so people can see exactly what TCU this car has and what software is in it.

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I have seen those accumulator “upgrades” fail but admittedly only when the standard one has failed. A preventive use is an interesting idea but I can’t imagine anyone doing it.

It just seems like a prudent thing to do since its a relatively common point of failure, especially under my local driving conditions - hot weather, heavy traffic.

Did you already install the latest DQ200 firmware for your engine/gearbox combo? That drops the maximum working pressure from 60 to 52bar, making the fault less likely to occur.
The gearbox did receive an update in 2019 for the gearbox. The highlighted point with that one was improving the D2-D3-D2 jerk althought it may have reduced the operating pressure as well.
Please post an Auto-Scan so people can see exactly what TCU this car has and what software is in it.

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Is this the relevant info ?

Address 02: Auto Trans Labels: 0AM-927-769.clb
Part No SW: 0AM 300 041 D HW: 0AM 927 769 F
Component: GSG DQ200G2_PQ 050 2602
Revision: 00005008 Serial number: CU501806235443
Coding: 0000020
Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
VCID: 2A0ADBCCA0FA81AA21F-807E
 
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This appears to be a quite rare MQB DQ200 mechatronic used in a PQ platform vehicle. Please check the MVB-s for the current working pressure - whether that tops out at 52 or 60bar. If 60bar, then the firmware can probably be updated further.
 
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This appears to be a quite rare MQB DQ200 mechatronic used in a PQ platform vehicle. Please check the MVB-s for the current working pressure - whether that tops out at 52 or 60bar. If 60bar, then the firmware can probably be updated further.
I checked with the VAG workshop. According to their database, the software on my DSG is up to date. Ill check the value via VCDS to confirm. What number MVB is it btw ?
 
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I think it would also be a good idea to get the one day subscription (very low cost, 35.00 / day here in the USA) for doing such a sensitive repair. It would give you insights you may not have anticipated and torque values etc. You can download all the files available for your VIN ; I would use the VIN option and download all the information available for your vehicle. It should take you about 45 minutes to download all the files.

See RoW "VW" link once you go to that page.


 
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I checked with the VAG workshop. According to their database, the software on my DSG is up to date. Ill check the value via VCDS to confirm. What number MVB is it btw ?
Just search for "pressure" in the name.
 
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Just search for "pressure" in the name.
I finally got around to it. The transmission pressure readings are :

Hydraulic Pump (V401)

1] Pressure supply S1 (V401) : 60 bar
2] Pressure Supply S2 (V401) : 42 Bar
3] Pressure Supply (Actual value - V401) : 46.74 bar
4] Pressure Supply D (Actual value - V401) : 2587 (no unit after it)

Is this fine ?
 
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60bar max means that it's not the latest firmware. With the latest, it should read 52bar.
 
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Not all DQ200 transmissions run lower pressures with latest software. Mine has the latest and specified pressure is 60 bar still.
 
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60bar max means that it's not the latest firmware. With the latest, it should read 52bar

I checked with the dealership. This is the latest update available. Or at the very least it might be the latest version permissable by VW for my particular model. My cars a 2018 and 2019 was the last model year for my car and possibly this version of the platform. 2020-2021 was the last model year of the Polo and was sold with the 1.0 TSI and a torque converter gearbox. Around the same time VAG switch to the M0-IN platform I believe for the rest of their lineup - a low cost platform. The DQ200 is still sold paired with the 1.5 TSI and so far there dont seem to be reports of abnormal mechatronic failure so it might be the Gen 3 box for which the update is valid ? But then again There arent any reports of failure with the Polo post 2017 either so Im confused about whether the update is valid for all 3 generations of the DQ 200
 
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Your very cropped auto scan shows G2, which to me means generation 2. I guess it did not took VW too long to correct the housing design. So probably it stopped cracking. I doubt 52 bar is healthy for the other boxes clutches, since they kept 60 for the latest ones.
 
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Your very cropped auto scan shows G2, which to me means generation 2. I guess it did not took VW too long to correct the housing design. So probably it stopped cracking. I doubt 52 bar is healthy for the other boxes clutches, since they kept 60 for the latest ones.
Yeah I only pasted the relevant bit since my original question was about the transmission. So you are saying that the lower working pressure isnt ideal and was just a stopgap solution and the newer Gen 2 and Gen 3 boxes are back up to 60 bar ? Its possible that the update was only for the Gen 1 boxes which Im guessing were sold for a few more years post discovery of the fault.
What firmware does your Gen 3 run ?

Im wondering now if I should preemptively upgrade the accumulator or wait for it to fail. The whole point of doing that was to avoid failure in the first place.

Can someone confirm whether it was the gearbox or mechatronic fluid that was changed from synthetic to mineral ? I was under the impression that it was the mechatronic fluid but it might actually be the gearbox oil. Unfortunately because two fluids are used in this gearbox, people dont always clearly mention which one they are talking about.
 
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It was the mineral fluid in the mech that changed from synthetic to original green CHF11 Citroen blood as it caused corrosion of the lead free solder used to prevent children getting Lead poisoning when teething on circuit boards :rolleyes: :facepalm::banghead:
 
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It was the mineral fluid in the mech that changed from synthetic to original green CHF11 Citroen blood as it caused corrosion of the lead free solder used to prevent children getting Lead poisoning when teething on circuit boards :rolleyes: :facepalm::banghead:
Thats what I thought but then I saw a 0 buck bill someone posted of the service campaign and the part number and qty matches the gearbox oil !!
 
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Well the capacity of the mech is exactly 1 litre.
 
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Well the capacity of the mech is exactly 1 litre.
Yeah and the bill I was for 2 lts and part number matched the round VW gear oil bottle. I think it was on Briskoda that I saw it and got me questioning it. I saw another couple of posts that seemed as though it was the gear oil that was replaced but then again AFAIK there isnt any circuit board inside the section where the gear oil goes which was the main reason for the switch from synthetic to mineral
 
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Yes, I have seen it said it was the gear oil but how could that get to the PCB?
 
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