31-Engine other, VCDS stuck while opening controller

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mcnugget said:
I know the 7P is pretty similar electronics to the D1, both are about the same age bosch ecu pairs. Does the Phaeton motronic use UDS?
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Wait, you think a common-rail V8 TDI (UDS via CAN) is similar is similar the old W12 Phateon (KWP 2000 via K-Line)?

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Uwe said:
Wait, you think a common-rail V8 TDI (UDS via CAN) is similar is similar the old W12 Phateon (KWP 2000 via K-Line)?
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Oh wow, looks like they're very much not!
 
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Apples to Oranges to Bananas? But I have a pair of CAN (not UDS) A8 ECUs on my test stand and they seem to be doing this :

Code: 
Thursday,15,May,2025,12:31:50:14651
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 11 x64
VCDS Version: 25.3.1.1 (x64)  HEX-NET2 CB: 0.4671.5
Data version: 20250415 DS365.0
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WAUZZZ4EX5N000196   License Plate:



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                Address 01: Engine       Labels: 07C-910-018-BHT1.lbl
Control Module Part Number: 4E0 910 018 B    HW: 4E0 906 018 *
  Component and/or Version: 6.0L W12/4V    *A  ª0030
           Software Coding: 0007773
            Work Shop Code: WSC 00000 000 00000
                      VCID: 1E6D81167CB4464A9D6-804A
20 Faults Found:

18010 - Power Supply Terminal 30
            P1602 - 002 - Voltage too Low
17987 - Throttle Actuator (J338)
            P1579 - 001 - Adaptation Not Started
17951 - Angle Sensor 1 for Throttle Actuator (G187)
            P1543 - 002 - Signal too Small
19505 - Control Circuit for Starter Relay 2
            P3049 - 004 - Open Circuit
16999 - Output for Starter Relay
            P0615 - 004 - Open Circuit
17580 - Angle Sensor 2 for Throttle Actuator (G188) Signal too Low
            P1172 - 002 -
17070 - ECM Power Relay Control Circuit
            P0686 - 002 - Short to GND
18044 - Powertrain Data Bus
            P1636 - 008 - Missing Message from Airbag Controller
18034 - Powertrain Data Bus
            P1626 - 008 - Missing Message from TCU
18057 - Powertrain Data Bus
            P1649 - 008 - Missing Message from ABS Controller
18057 - Powertrain Data Bus
            P1649 - 008 - Missing Message from ABS Controller
18057 - Powertrain Data Bus
            P1649 - 008 - Missing Message from ABS Controller
18107 - Powertrain Data Bus
            P1699 - 008 - Missing Message from Steering Wheel Electronics
18331 - Please Check DTC Memory of ECU Number 2
            P1923 - 008 -
18055 - Check Coding of ECUs on Powertrain Data Bus
            P1647 - 001 -
17949 - Fuel Pump Relay (J17)
            P1541 - 004 - Open Circuit
18037 - Powertrain Data Bus
            P1629 - 008 - Missing Message from Auto-Distance Controller
18347 - Powertrain Databus
            P1939 - 008 - Missing Message from Controller for Access & Start Auth.
16497 - Intake Air Temp. Sensor (G42)
            P0113 - 002 - Signal too High
16502 - Engine Coolant Temp. Sensor (G62)
            P0118 - 002 - Signal too High

Readiness: 0110 1101

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                Address 11: Engine II       Labels: 07C-910-018-BHT2.lbl
Control Module Part Number: 4E0 910 018 E    HW: 4E0 906 018 *
  Component and/or Version: E5eTws2        *A  ªXE48
           Software Coding: 0011773
            Work Shop Code: WSC 02729 823 00099
                      VCID: 2117BAEA4DCA79B2A04-8074
14 Faults Found:

18010 - Power Supply Terminal 30
            P1602 - 002 - Voltage too Low
19482 - Angle Sensor 1 for Throttle Drive 2 (G297)
            P3026 - 002 - Signal too Small
19485 - Angle Sensor 2 for Throttle Drive 2 (G298)
            P3029 - 002 - Signal too Small
18034 - Powertrain Data Bus
            P1626 - 008 - Missing Message from TCU
18057 - Powertrain Data Bus
            P1649 - 008 - Missing Message from ABS Controller
18057 - Powertrain Data Bus
            P1649 - 008 - Missing Message from ABS Controller
18057 - Powertrain Data Bus
            P1649 - 008 - Missing Message from ABS Controller
18044 - Powertrain Data Bus
            P1636 - 008 - Missing Message from Airbag Controller
18037 - Powertrain Data Bus
            P1629 - 008 - Missing Message from Auto-Distance Controller
18347 - Powertrain Databus
            P1939 - 008 - Missing Message from Controller for Access & Start Auth.
19490 - Intake Air Temperature Sensor 2 (G299)
            P3034 - 002 - Signal too Large
18348 - Powertrain Databus
            P1940 - 008 - Missing Message from Control Module for Battery Monitoring
18058 - Powertrain Data Bus
            P1650 - 008 - Missing Message from Instrument Cluster
16580 - Engine Oil Temp. Sensor (G8)
            P0196 - 004 - Implausible Signal

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                Address 31: Engine other       Labels: 07C-910-018-BHT3.lbl
Control Module Part Number: 4E0 910 018 B    HW: 4E0 906 018 *
  Component and/or Version: 6.0L W12/4V    *A  ª0030
           Software Coding: 0007773
            Work Shop Code: WSC 00000 000 00000
           Additional Info: 4E0910018B  6.0L W12/4V    *A  ª0030  
           Additional Info: Geraet 00000
                      VCID: 1E6D81167CB4464A9D6-804A
Address 01: 20 Faults Found:
18010 - Power Supply Terminal 30
            P1602 - 002 - Voltage too Low
17987 - Throttle Actuator (J338)
            P1579 - 001 - Adaptation Not Started
17951 - Angle Sensor 1 for Throttle Actuator (G187)
            P1543 - 002 - Signal too Small
19505 - Control Circuit for Starter Relay 2
            P3049 - 004 - Open Circuit
16999 - Output for Starter Relay
            P0615 - 004 - Open Circuit
17580 - Angle Sensor 2 for Throttle Actuator (G188) Signal too Low
            P1172 - 002 -
17070 - ECM Power Relay Control Circuit
            P0686 - 002 - Short to GND
18044 - Powertrain Data Bus
            P1636 - 008 - Missing Message from Airbag Controller
18034 - Powertrain Data Bus
            P1626 - 008 - Missing Message from TCU
18057 - Powertrain Data Bus
            P1649 - 008 - Missing Message from ABS Controller
18057 - Powertrain Data Bus
            P1649 - 008 - Missing Message from ABS Controller
18057 - Powertrain Data Bus
            P1649 - 008 - Missing Message from ABS Controller
18107 - Powertrain Data Bus
            P1699 - 008 - Missing Message from Steering Wheel Electronics
18331 - Please Check DTC Memory of ECU Number 2
            P1923 - 008 -
18055 - Check Coding of ECUs on Powertrain Data Bus
            P1647 - 001 -
17949 - Fuel Pump Relay (J17)
            P1541 - 004 - Open Circuit
18037 - Powertrain Data Bus
            P1629 - 008 - Missing Message from Auto-Distance Controller
18347 - Powertrain Databus
            P1939 - 008 - Missing Message from Controller for Access & Start Auth.
16497 - Intake Air Temp. Sensor (G42)
            P0113 - 002 - Signal too High
16502 - Engine Coolant Temp. Sensor (G62)
            P0118 - 002 - Signal too High
Address 11: No Faults Found
  or DTCs not supported by controller
  or a communication error occurred

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                Address 31: Engine other  (4E0 910 018 B)

12:35:08 Group 001: General
  0 /min  Engine Speed (G28)
  -48.0°C  Coolant Temperature (G62)
  0.0 %  Lambda Control Bank 1/3
  0.0 %  Lambda Control Bank 2/4

  0 /min  RPM 
  -48.0°C  Temperature 
  0.0 %  Lambda 
  0.0 %  Lambda

No hang on 31, it opens just as fast as 01 or 11.
 
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Andy said:
Apples to Oranges to Bananas?
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Yup. Still a W12 gasser rather than a V8 TDI.

If somebdoy wants to send us a pair of ECUs like @mcnugget has, I'm confident we could figure this out, but unfortunately V8 TDIs were never sold in NAR.

If V8 TDIs had been sold here, I'd probably have owned one, at least for a while! :D

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My guess is it hangs on 31 because 31 does not exist in these ECU just 11. My V8 does not have 31 on its CAN bus list and does not try to communicate with it. Has this 31 virtual module been manually added to the CAN bus list ?
 
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RGH0 said:
My guess is it hangs on 31 because 31 does not exist in these ECU just 11. My V8 does not have 31 on its CAN bus list and does not try to communicate with it. Has this 31 virtual module been manually added to the CAN bus list ?
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I don't think it's anything special with my car, I haven't added 31 manually. If you search for 7P V8 vcds scans there are a bunch of others also showing 31. Out of interest, what happens if you add it to your gateway? Does it populate any of the controller fields when you try to open? I've seen variable behaviour on mine with either one, a few or no fields populating before it times out.
 
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mcnugget said:
I don't think it's anything special with my car, I haven't added 31 manually. If you search for 7P V8 vcds scans there are a bunch of others also showing 31. Out of interest, what happens if you add it to your gateway? Does it populate any of the controller fields when you try to open? I've seen variable behaviour on mine with either one, a few or no fields populating before it times out.
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Travelling in Europe at the moment so cant check my Treg until back at the end of June. I will try to see what happens if i add 31 to the gateway list when I get back but as far as I am aware everything appears in 01 and 11
 
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Guess what? Problem found!!! Woohoo!

You know how I the turbo vane actuators were passing the position test fine? We'll it turns out the RHS one was having an easy old time because it wasnt even physically connected to the turbo anymore! Not just one, but both the cirlips were gone and the rod in between had completely left the chat. It explains why the behaviour could change from time to time, it seems the vanes have been flopping to different positions when they felt like it. When I set them by hand to mid point I suddenly have balanced turbo RPM and MAF for a few minutes.

Now to track down a part that it seems neither VW or garrrett want to sell on its own...

Thanks to all who helped
 
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