Wheel Spacers...Yes or No? 2017 C7 Quattro

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I have a 2017 C7 Quattro. I am thinking about getting wheel spacers for the look. Is this a bad idea?
 
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I've run / used them for years. Your ok, but you must be conscientious when gathering the spacers and bolts.

The set up also depends on how much spacing you wish to do: 5 or 10mm is typical (with the hub centric ring cast into the spacer, 10mm has the "lip" as the 5mm will be completely "flat"). The hub centric lip or ring built into the spacer is usually very important so that the wheel spins true and you don't get any high speed vibrations. Audi suspensions are notoriously sensitive because of all the isolating bushings/rubber. So, like anything else, you have to want it and be willing to adjust or play with it a bit - sometimes.

If you are going to go , say 20mm , then this requires a bolt on spacer to the hub, then your wheel bolts to it via your original length wheel bolts. These work out very well but are costly and usually your not looking for 20mm or more spacing.

The bolts: there is a cup shape bolt (VW/Audi genuine oem usually "BALL") Like a "U" and there is a "V" shape taper bolt "Conical" (usually aftermarket wheels have the "V" or tapered bolt and the matching surface or shape on the wheel. Look up the difference to get the idea I'm referring to here.


The length is also a consideration: if you place 10mm spacer for example, you will need 10mm longer bolts. You want 7-8 full turns of thread before the bolt tightens on the wheel. To short, is unsafe and to long may rub on the back side of the hub (you can't see this area) so spin or rotate tire to check or verify.

Fitting the spacers: This is the conscientious part, and is not as simple as it sounds as you don't want to take anything for granted here. The spacer must fit passively to the hub and seat fully ; no pinching or forcing of the spacer to the hub. If it fits the hub, now take the spacer by hand and see if it fits passively to the inside of the wheel. Very minor resistance in rotation or placement is ok, but if you need to force or "sandwich" them together for it to seat when you bolt on the wheel, that's not a good sign and you will most likely get vibration in the steering wheel.

H&R makes a good spacer but $$ ; once you get the idea of what is going on, you can experiment with some ebay brands/spacers (half the cost usually). But beware, it can be hit or miss regarding the quality of fitment.

I agree, it does look better, but be prepared for more splash on the side of the car . The handling is more responsive because of the widened track also. Its not that challenging, just watch what you are doing and follow what was pointed out above and you should be fine.

These guys deal with wheels, I know, but they can answer a lot of your questions also regarding spacers, which they do sell.

 
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When pissing around with suspension geometry, it's important to know what you're doing.
Spacers give you parkinglot points while affecting handling due to scrub radius, and increasing loads on your suspension components, etc.
If looks outweigh functionality and durability, git-r-dun :thumbs:
 
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When pissing around with suspension geometry, it's important to know what you're doing.
Spacers give you parkinglot points while affecting handling due to scrub radius, and increasing loads on your suspension components, etc.
Yup. Especially wheel Bearings.

If looks outweigh functionality and durability, git-r-dun :thumbs:
Nein! Function, Function, Über Alles!

But then I'm the kinda guy who put 17" rims on his Golf R because while the stock 19s might look cool, they're excessively heavy and saving 5 lbs of unsprung weight on each corner and adding an inch of sidewall makes for better function.

As for wheel spacers, there is a vehicle I'm looking to put them on: A small tractor with a back-hoe. That dang this is just too tippy and we've already capsized it once. So function, not appearance, and it's a solid axle, I don't think it will increase the torsional load on the wheel bearings.

-Uwe-
 
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You guys are no fun. I think I will hold off on the wheel spacers. If you all are so high on stock stuff, what is there to do to the car?
 
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This is a diagnostic forum, not a Uncle Ben's forum.....
There are plenty of platform specific forums that will give you the input you want, to assist your Hard Parking sessions.
 
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Monday,17,March,2025,18:26:30:06734
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 11 x64
VCDS Version: 25.3.0.4 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4660.5
Data version: 20250311 DS365.0
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VIN: WAUF8AFC8HN046746   License Plate:


Chassis Type: FC-AU57 (4G8)
Scan: 01 02 03 05 08 09 15 16 17 19 36 3B 42 44 46 52 53 55 5F 62
          6C 72 8F 90 47

VIN: WAUF8AFC8HN046746   Mileage: 126223km-78431miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
36-Seat Mem. Drvr -- Status: OK 0000
3B-Sensor Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000
55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
5F-Information Electr. -- Status: OK 0000
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: Malfunction 0010
6C-Back-up Cam. -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
8F-Pretens. Frt Left -- Status: OK 0000
90-Pretens. Frt Right -- Status: OK 0000
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Address 01: Engine (J623-CYNB)       Labels:. 06L-907-115-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 4G5 907 115 C    HW: 8T2 907 115
   Component: 2.0l R4 TFSI  H13 0001 
   Revision: --H13---    CVN: F7341EBC
   Coding: 0A2A00322426010E2002
   Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM20TFS0204G5907115C 001001
   ROD: EV_ECM20TFS0204G5907115C.rod
   VCID: 2A0ADD3F1C7E8DBAF13-807E
   VINID: 9D19562115932187801061C418B86C3D8E

No fault code found.
Readiness: 1000 0000

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Address 02: Auto Trans (J217)       Labels:| 0BK-927-156.clb
   Part No SW: 4G0 927 158 BG    HW: 0BK 927 156 AM
   Component: 0BK 20TFSIUSA H19 1010 
   Revision: --H19---    CVN: B391D0B6
   Coding: 000001
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMAL551211 002022
   ROD: EV_TCMAL551211_002_AU48.rod
   VCID: 74B603478E3A8B4A9BF-8020

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:. 4G0-907-379-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 4G0 907 379 S    HW: 4G0 907 379 S
   Component: ESP9 Premium  H01 0530 
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 41A7964182E569821B00
   Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ESP9BOSCHAU57X 004018
   ROD: EV_ESP9BOSCHAU57X.rod
   VCID: 41D89A9381086EE2C09-8014

No fault code found.

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Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. (J393)       Labels:. 8K0-907-064-05.clb
   Part No SW: 4H0 907 064 HR    HW: 4H0 907 064 HR
   Component: BCM2 2.0      H61 0825 
   Revision: 00002001   
   Coding: 0DA86F4E000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
   VCID: 005E5F97CA02A7EA8F7-8054

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 4H0 905 852 C    HW: 4H0 905 852 C
   Component: J764 ELV MLB  H40 0046
   Serial number: 3216000175637013   

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels:| 4G0-820-043-2Z.clb
   Part No SW: 4G0 820 043 BP    HW: 4G0 820 043 BP
   Component: KLIMA 2 ZONEN H14 0113 
   Serial number: 06091600110542
   Coding: 64813018C90000
   Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirCondiBasisUDS 003009
   ROD: EV_AirCondiBasisUDS_003.rod
   VCID: 6E82112FE016A19A6DB-803A

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 4H0-907-063-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 4H0 907 063 GM    HW: 4H0 907 063 AM
   Component: BCM1 2.0      H20 0368 
   Revision: 21020001    Serial number: 00001469269802
   Coding: 01850019013C9FE08101488380003800CF9CD208A608022100000414F110150200600034030000
   Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
   VCID: 79A83273A9D8F622C89-802C

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 4G1 955 119     HW: 4G8 955 119   Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: WWS57X 160702  H38 0080
   Serial number:         160715071358
   Coding: 004DF7

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8U0 955 559 C    HW: 8U0 955 559 B  Labels: 8U0-955-559.CLB
   Component: G397_RLFS  H06 0004
   Serial number: 62240069           
   Coding: 02006D

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 4G0 941 531 AL    HW: 4G0 941 531 AL
   Component: E1 - LDS  H07 0044
   Serial number: 06 09 2016  00001343

   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 4G0 907 410 A    HW: 4H0 907 410 A
   Component: USHL4.2  H30 0030
   Serial number: 00000000095Z02713DE9

   Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: 4G0 907 658 B    HW: 4G0 907 658 B
   Component: Humidity_Sens  H01 0005
   Serial number: 3F29484800PAG0FSA002

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:* 4H0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 4G0 959 655 B    HW: 4G0 959 655 B
   Component: Airbag10.43   H62 0086 
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 003G0003F7EF Dataset Number: 4G0909602N  0002
   Coding: 303331343134303334374A55304C34473053
   Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaAU10BPAAU64X 001014
   ROD: EV_AirbaAU10BPAAU64X_VW51.rod
   VCID: 3436C347CEBACB4A5BF-8060

   Seat occupied recognition:
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5C6 959 339 B    HW: 5C6 959 339 B
   Component: BF-Gewichtss.  H11 0046
   Serial number: 6940000Y160001J5660B

   Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side:
   Serial number: 3575HRB405F45CG8COHP

   Crash sensor for side airbag: passenger side:
   Serial number: 3585HRB405B45CG851BT

   Rear Side Airbag Crash Sensor (on driver's side):
   Serial number: 3515JRB40065752IHA4K

   Passenger side rear thorax airbag crash sensor:
   Serial number: 3525JRB400A5752I59KS

   Crash sensor for front airbag: driver side:
   Serial number: 3554VRB401257ACI8HHF

   Crash sensor for front airbag: passenger side:
   Serial number: 3564VRB400457ACISGV7

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels:. 4H0-953-568.clb
   Part No SW: 4H0 953 568 H    HW: 4H0 953 568 H
   Component: Lenks.Modul   H04 0005 
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 90372PI4000L4
   Coding: 000434
   Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
   VCID: 382EF777D2522F2A777-806C

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 4H0 951 528 E    HW: 4H0 951 528 E
   Component: E221 - MFL  H08 0010
   Serial number: 20 05 2016  A0054880

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 4H0-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
   Part No SW: 4G8 920 987 T    HW: 4G8 920 987 T
   Component: TBenUsa       H14 0225 
   Revision: 11001108    Serial number: 658030916596013
   Coding: 03EF09040B41D705020000
   Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_RBD4K 004060
   ROD: EV_RBD4K_AU57.rod
   VCID: 4ACABDBFBC3EADBA113-801E

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:| 4H0-907-468.clb
   Part No SW: 4G8 907 468 H    HW: 4G8 907 468
   Component: J533--Gateway H15 0096 
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 00000002369598 Dataset Number: 4G0909515K  0022
   Coding: C0CD072910
   Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
   GVL: FD81C808DC20600D00040800
   ASAM Dataset: EV_GatewPkoUDS 002000
   ROD: EV_GatewPkoUDS_002_AU57.rod
   VCID: 3D20E663FDF00A02A41-8068

   Battery Monitoring Control Module:
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8S0 915 181 B    HW: 8S0 915 181 B
   Component: J367-BDMHella  H10 9070
   Serial number: 8896831104         

   Voltage stabilizer:
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 663 F    HW: 8K0 959 663 F
   Component: J532_DCDCStab  H23 0022
   Serial number: 16062800000000000641

No fault code found.

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Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr (J136)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 4G8 959 760     HW: 4G8 959 760
   Component: MEM-FS        H03 0157 
   Revision: AA000000    Serial number: 00000217982010
   Coding: 00581B0000006001000001010101102030303232203232
   Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
   VCID: 77AC344B9FCCE052BED-8022

No fault code found.

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Address 3B: Sensor Elect. (J849)       Labels: 4G0-907-637.clb
   Part No SW: 4G0 907 637 H    HW: 4G0 907 637 D
   Component: SARA 3D       H04 0056 
   Revision: --------    Serial number: EJ1BPA720SY98$ Dataset Number: 4G0909573C  0006
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SARA2 005012
   ROD: EV_SARA2.rod
   VCID: 3334C05BCBB4CC72425-8066

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels:. 4H0-959-793.clb
   Part No SW: 4G8 959 793 J    HW: 4G8 959 793 G
   Component: TSG FA        H03 0511 
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 011F17014E00628002000002
   Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
   VCID: 47CC848BAFAC50D20ED-8012

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist (J500)       Labels:| 4G0-909-144.clb
   Part No SW: 4G0 909 144 T    HW: 4G0 909 144 Q
   Component: RCevo         H54 0202 
   Revision: 00000001    Serial number: 0000242357 Dataset Number: 4G0909852L  0038
   Coding: 101000010001
   Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_RCEPS 106007
   ROD: EV_RCEPS_106.rod
   VCID: 3A2AED7FECDE3D3A813-806E

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv. (J393)       Labels:. 4H0-907-064-46.clb
   Part No SW: 4H0 907 064 HR    HW: 4H0 907 064 HR
   Component: BCM2 2.0      H61 0825 
   Revision: 00002001    Serial number: 0416538796   
   Coding: 0106063A00FA400583B0088402070E4F0000000000000000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
   VCID: 005E5F97CA02A7EA8F7-8054

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 4G0 959 719     HW: 4G0 959 719
   Component: GTO BF  H01 0081
   Serial number: 00000000000000365400

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
   Component: LIN BACKUP HO  H05 1501

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 4G8 959 591 A    HW: 8V3 959 591 A
   Component: J245 PS40.402  H03 0004
   Serial number: 0000FST0015VGZG00000
   Coding: 101F02

   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 4G0 947 135 G    HW: 4G0 947 135
   Component: Dachelektroni  H10 0100
   Serial number: 0000000AP00024446921
   Coding: 010000

   Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: 3AA 962 243 D    HW: 3AA 962 243 D
   Component: GEB.F.Heckoef  H16 0811
   Serial number: 66033916           

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels:. 4H0-959-792.clb
   Part No SW: 4G8 959 792 J    HW: 4G8 959 792 G
   Component: TSG BF        H03 0511 
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 011F17014E00628002000002
   Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
   VCID: 46D2898FA8A649DAF5B-8012

No fault code found.

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Address 53: Parking Brake (----)       Labels: 4H0-907-801.clb
   Part No SW: 4H0 907 801 L    HW: 4H0 907 801 A
   Component: EPB-4         H05 0017 
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 00000001959277 Dataset Number: 4G0909522F  0008
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ParkiBrake 001029
   ROD: EV_ParkiBrake_VW51.rod
   VCID: 3138CA5331A8FE62309-8064

No fault code found.

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Address 55: Headlight Range (J745)       Labels:| 4H4-907-357-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 4H4 907 357 E    HW: 7P6 907 357 B
   Component: MxB-ECU       001 0100 
   Revision: --------    Serial number: -------------- Dataset Number: 4G0909865D  0018
   Coding: 04FA021122200400
   Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_HeadlRegulAUDIMXBAU64X 005009
   ROD: EV_HeadlRegulAUDIMXBAU64X_005_AU57.rod
   VCID: 3436C347CEBACB4A5BF-8060

   Left LED Headlamp Power Output Stage 1:
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 7PP 941 472 J    HW: 7PP 941 472 J  Labels: 3D0-941-329.CLB
   Component: LED LeiMo li.  H07 7560
   Coding: E01E00

   Right LED Headlamp Power Output Stage 1:
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 7PP 941 472 J    HW: 7PP 941 472 J  Labels: 3D0-941-329.CLB
   Component: LED LeiMo re.  H07 7560
   Coding: E01E00

No fault code found.

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Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels:| 4G1-035-MIB-HGH2.clb
   Part No SW: 4G1 035 025 J    HW: 4G1 035 025 C
   Component: MU-H-LNS-US   052 1426 
   Serial number: A741I0G7514278 Dataset Number: 4G1909545H  0037
   Coding: 01750102FF0A000013220001041A00102F0006E5F17001047E
   Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_MUHig6C3Gen2HBAS 001115
   ROD: EV_MUHig6C3Gen2HBAS_AU57.rod
   VCID: 25102E037560A2C2DC1-8070

   Data carrier:
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: V03 959 803 AS    HW: -----------
   Component: NAR 2024/2025  --- 0376
   Serial number: --------------------

   Multimedia display unit 1:
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 4G1 919 605 B    HW: 4G1 919 605 B
   Component: DU8 C7 SV  H63 0007
   Serial number: AUZ8Z9GY8062EY     

   Multimedia system control head:
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 4G1 919 610 F    HW: 4G1 919 610 F
   Component: E380 BDT C7  H20 0250
   Serial number: 90349PI6000DX      

   Compact disc data bank:
   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: V03 959 800 EG    HW: -----------
   Component: Gracenote2---  --- 3009
   Serial number: --------------------

No fault code found.

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Address 62: Door, Rear Left (J388)       Labels:. 4H0-959-795.clb
   Part No SW: 4G8 959 795 J    HW: 4G8 959 795 G
   Component: TSG HL        H03 0511 
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 010F17004000628002000002
   Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
   VCID: 49C882B3B9B8A6A2189-801C

1 Fault Found:
02123 - Door Warning Light / Entry Light
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01101100
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 68
                    Mileage: 126183 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2025.03.15
                    Time: 17:05:51


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Address 6C: Back-up Cam. (J772)       Labels:| 4S0-980-556.clb
   Part No SW: 4S0 980 556     HW: 4M0 980 556
   Component: RVC Compact   H08 0140 
   Dataset Number: 4G0909460D  0013
   Coding: 0275000102002003000040
   Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_CamSysRVRVCPANAAU57X 001001
   ROD: EV_CamSysRVRVCPANAAU57X_001.rod
   VCID: 78AE37779252EF2AB77-802C

No fault code found.

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right (J389)       Labels:. 4H0-959-795.clb
   Part No SW: 4G8 959 795 J    HW: 4G8 959 795 G
   Component: TSG HR        H03 0511 
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 010F17004000628002000002
   Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
   VCID: 49C882B3B9B8A6A2189-801C

No fault code found.

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Address 8F: Pretens. Frt Left (J854)       Labels: 4H0-980-94x-RGS.clb
   Part No SW: 4H0 980 945 B    HW: 4H0 980 945 C
   Component: RGS-VL        H16 0080 
   Dataset Number: 4G0909614C  0001
   Coding: 00060000031F030000030801424CDA010000
   Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_RGS_L 002004
   ROD: EV_RGS_L.rod
   VCID: 3138CA5331A8FE62309-8064

No fault code found.

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Address 90: Pretens. Frt Right (J855)       Labels: 4H0-980-94x-RGS.clb
   Part No SW: 4H0 980 946 B    HW: 4H0 980 946 C
   Component: RGS-VR        H16 0080 
   Dataset Number: 4G0909615C  0001
   Coding: 00060000031F030000030801424CDA010000
   Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_RGS_R 002004
   ROD: EV_RGS_R.rod
   VCID: 323AC55F34AEC57A493-8066

No fault code found.

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Impressive.... but looks like fault codes were recently blown away, so you're not completely out of the woods just yet. ;)
Also look up how to properly post an autoscan for formatting.
 
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