Odometer states SAFE and Incorrect Key Programming

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Hi all

Been a little while since I last posted and finally getting around to the same issue I had around 12 months ago.

VW T5 Multivan 2009. SAFE on odometer when using both of the two keys I have.

1 key is VAG original, other I think is non-original as no PN on the key.

Both allow me to start and drive, but as soon as I put either key into the ignition, SAFE appears in the odometer.

Latest scan is below. Couple of other issues I'm working through but you can see 01179 - Incorrect Key Programming

I've also posted MBVs from 17-Instruments, MVBs 022, 023 and 024 and can't see any issues with either of them.

I've tried clearing remotes and reinstalling them. Did find only 1 key is coming up as being registered, and when I try and register a second key I get all the way through to TEST, 2 keys show, I press Unlock on both but only 1 key is then registered.

A little at a loss with what's going on. Its more irritating than anything and would be great to get sorted. Anyone have any ideas?

Original Key
3Z9XojJ


Non Original Key
KmkHcaR


Code:
Wednesday,12,March,2025,19:40:36:61947
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 11 x64
VCDS Version: 25.3.0.3 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4660.4
Data version: 20250301 DS365.0
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WV2ZZZ7HZ9H127961   License Plate: 
Mileage: 19190km-11924mi   Repair Order: 



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Chassis Type: 7H (7H - VW Transporter/Multivan (2003 > 2010))
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 0B 0D 15 16 17 18 19 1C 22 2D 37 45 46 47 56
          57 6E 76 77 78 7D
 
VIN: WV2ZZZ7HZ9H127961   Mileage: 19190km-11924miles
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Address 01: Engine        Labels: 070-906-016-BPC.clb
   Part No SW: 070 906 016 EC    HW: 070 906 016 EC
   Component: R5 2,5L EDC G000AG  3758  
   Revision: --H08---    Serial number: VWZ7Z0I0864519
   Coding: 0000075
   Shop #: WSC 00271 210 85584
   VCID: 55F78D6CB91E49128C6-513C
   VINID: 9E60AAAAA1D8A8960108724604BE935F34

5 Faults Found:
005658 - Glowplug for Cylinder 1 (Q10) 
               P161A - 000 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00110000
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 19068 km
                    Time Indication: 0

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 0 /min
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Load: 0.0 %
                    Voltage: 12.39 V
                    Bin. Bits: 00001000
                    Temperature: 4.5 C
                    Bin. Bits: 00110000

005659 - Glowplug for Cylinder 2 (Q11) 
               P161B - 000 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00110000
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 19068 km
                    Time Indication: 0

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 0 /min
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Load: 0.0 %
                    Voltage: 12.39 V
                    Bin. Bits: 00001000
                    Temperature: 4.5 C
                    Bin. Bits: 00110000

005660 - Glowplug for Cylinder 3 (Q12) 
               P161C - 000 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00110000
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 19068 km
                    Time Indication: 0

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 0 /min
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Load: 0.0 %
                    Voltage: 12.39 V
                    Bin. Bits: 00001000
                    Temperature: 4.5 C
                    Bin. Bits: 00110000

005661 - Glowplug for Cylinder 4 (Q13) 
               P161D - 000 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00110000
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 19068 km
                    Time Indication: 0

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 0 /min
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Load: 0.0 %
                    Voltage: 12.39 V
                    Bin. Bits: 00001000
                    Temperature: 4.5 C
                    Bin. Bits: 00110000

005662 - Glowplug for Cylinder 5 (Q15) 
               P161E - 000 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00110000
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 19068 km
                    Time Indication: 0

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 0 /min
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Load: 0.0 %
                    Voltage: 12.39 V
                    Bin. Bits: 00001000
                    Temperature: 4.5 C
                    Bin. Bits: 00110000

Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0 

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Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 09G-927-750.clb
   Part No SW: 09K 927 750 P    HW: 09K 927 750 P
   Component: AQ 250 6F           1395  
   Revision: 00H83000    Serial number:               
   Coding: 0000328
   Shop #: WSC 02756 790 00000
   VCID: 42DD46305890CEAAD94-5118

1 Fault Found:
00258 - Solenoid Valve 1 (N88) 
            010 - Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101010
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 7
                    Reset counter: 37
                    Mileage: 1431 km
                    Time Indication: 0


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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 7H0-907-37x-ESP.lbl
   Part No SW: 7H0 907 379 R    HW: 7H0 907 379 R
   Component: ESP MK25E1          0104  
   Revision: 00H31001    
   Coding: 0002603
   Shop #: WSC 61197 004 104857
   VCID: 44D140284284C09AEB8-5118

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 7H0 907 379 R
   Component: ESP MK25E1          0104

No Faults Found
  or DTCs not supported by controller
  or a communication error occurred

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 7Hx-820-045.clb
   Part No: 7H0 820 045 AL
   Component: CLIMA/AC            0303  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 6FBBDF843B8213C266A-5118

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels:. 7H0-937-049.lbl
   Part No: 7H0 937 049 AE
   Component: BORDNETZ SGVER 1.0  2101  
   Coding: 0000357
   Shop #: WSC 02756 790 00000
   VCID: 75B7EDEC59DE2912AC6-5118

1 Fault Found:
00967 - Left Turn Signals 
            011 - Open Circuit - Intermittent

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.lbl
   Part No: 1C0 909 605 A
   Component: 3C AIRBAG VW51      0011  
   Coding: 13123
   Shop #: WSC 02756  
   VCID: 221DE6B0BDD0EEAAB94-5118

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 7Hx-920-xxx-17.lbl
   Part No: 7H0 920 953 
   Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRSP VDO V04  
   Coding: 00413
   Shop #: WSC 00186  
   VCID: 6B83CB940A9AEFE24A2-5118
   WV2ZZZ7HZ9H127961     VWZ7Z0I0864519

2 Faults Found:
01179 - Incorrect Key Programming 
            35-00 - -
01304 - Radio 
            49-00 - No Communications

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Address 18: Aux. Heat        Labels: 7H0-819-008.clb
   Part No: 7H0 815 071 F
   Component: Standheizung        0209  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 2B030B94CF1A2FE20A2-5118

1 Fault Found:
00664 - Fuel gauge 
            002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent

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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.clb
   Part No: 6N0 909 901 
   Component: Gateway K<->CAN    0001  
   Coding: 00006
   Shop #: WSC 02756  
   VCID: 70B9DCF823BC0C3A7F0-5118

1 Fault Found:
01304 - Radio 
            49-00 - No Communications

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Address 45: Inter. Monitor        Labels: 7Hx-951-171.lbl
   Part No: 7H0 951 171 B
   Component: Innenraumueberw.    2920  
   Coding: 0000022
   Shop #: WSC 02757 790 00000
   VCID: 290FF19CC5E63DF2F8E-5160

1 Fault Found:
01838 - Transceiver Module 2 for Interior Monitoring (G305) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication

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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 7H0-959-433.lbl
   Part No: 7H0 959 433 B
   Component: C1W Komfortger t     0004  
   Coding: 00030
   Shop #: WSC 02756  
   VCID: 323D16F0ED307E2A494-4AE0

4 Faults Found:
01134 - Alarm Horn (H12) 
            77-00 - Internal Supply Voltage
01134 - Alarm Horn (H12) 
            37-00 - Faulty
00849 - S-contact at Ignition/Starter Switch (D) 
            25-10 - Unknown Switch Condition - Intermittent
01134 - Alarm Horn (H12) 
            49-00 - No Communications

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Address 76: Park Assist        Labels: 7E0-919-283.lbl
   Part No: 7E0 919 283 
   Component: Parkingsyst. T5 T5M 801  
   Coding: 01127
   Shop #: WSC 02756  
   VCID: 6C81C8880F94E8DA438-513C

No fault code found.

End----------(Elapsed Time: 06:08, VBatt start/end: 12.3V/12.1V)-----------
------------------------------16 Faults Found------------------------------

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Address 01: DTCs cleared
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Address 09: DTCs cleared
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Address 18: DTCs cleared
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Address 46: DTCs cleared
 
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Dammit, lets try those images again!!

Original Key
rEcbIhs.jpeg


Non Original Key
weERElA.jpeg
 
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So both keys show up good in the MVBs but the number adapted keys is just one...?

Either somebody has messed with this cluster, or somehow cloned your original key.

What would be quite interesting here, but may not be practical, is to get a mechanically correct key cut, one that has no immobilizer transponder at all, and see what results that gives.

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Cloning ID48 has become the standard of locksmiths after the release of research paper how insecure MEGAMOS actually is.


Please check Engine adaption channel 91 as well.
 
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Many lock smiths clone the megamos before its adapted and locked. Once adapted and locked it could cause some varying issues.
 
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Engine Adaptation channel 91 is 4, so immobilizer is good as I understand it.
Cloning ID48 has become the standard of locksmiths after the release of research paper how insecure MEGAMOS actually is.


Please check Engine adaption channel 91 as well.

Unsure if anyone has messed with the cluster. I do know this was an ex-mobility vehicle before I bought it and I don't believe it had a key for the ignition, it was push button start. The Keyed ignition has been installed after the push button was removed.

If the key has been cloned, I'm guessing that's why its reading only 1 key, but would that cause SAFE to be on the odometer whenever I use either key?
 
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