Hello everyone
I am a VW enthusiast based out of Dubai. I own a 2009 VW Tiguan 4Motion 6Speed Auto (CAWB engine). It has done about 131,000kms/81000 miles.
I have been fanatical about maintenance. I follow a religious 5,000 mile oil change. I have changed everything well in advance of the norm .. including tensioners, water pump, fluids etc. I took it for a routine drive train fluid change - Haldex + both differentials + transmission including filter, gasket etc - all VW originals purchased directly from the dealer.
I stay three kms away from the garage where I got this done. I ran a auto test just for the heck of it and it suddenly threw the following.
*Thursday,10,December,2015,20:22:21:00132VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS
Emulator Running on Windows 7 x64(Parallels)VCDS Version 15.7.2.0 (x64)Data
version: 20151124www.Ross-Tech.com<http://www.ross-tech.com/>VIN:
WVGCE15N59W License Plate: Mileage: 131820km-81909mi Repair
Order: --------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 02: Auto Trans Labels: 09G-927-750.clb
Control Module Part Number: 09G 927 750 FF HW: 09G 927 750 FF
Component and/or Version: AQ 250 6F 1173Software
Coding: 0000328
Work Shop Code: WSC 16414 000 1048576
VCID: 7AFB347C35DFDDEE25-802F
1 Fault Found:
01192 - Torque Converter Lock-Up Clutch
003 - Mechanical Failure
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100011
Fault
Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 0
Mileage: 131825 kmTime
Indication: 0Date: 2043.14.17
Time: 13:09:05*
Going by the Mileage counter this seems to have happened one kilometre into my drive after the fluid change. Strangely not very evident drivability issues till now - no shudder, over-revving engine etc. However I have been take it real easy - not wanting to put any more pressure on a suspect drivetrain.
The first thing I suspected was low/insufficient oil level.
I changed the Haldex and differential oils on the same day as well. In both cases I found the existing levels higher than stipulated. (at least 100-150 ml drained out from the fill hole - where as the level is supposed to be live with, or 3mm lower than the fill hole. Looked like it came overfilled from the factory or the dealership - the last fluid change was done at the authorised dealer.
Everything I read seemed to indicate the transmission will take anything between 3.5-4litres. In fact fact the dealer looked it up and gave me only 4 litres of ATF! I decided to play safe and measure how much came out. About 4250ml came out from the drain plug + pan. Upon removing the filter looked like another 100 odd ml flowed out. Hence I decide to play safe and fill all the four litres. In the end after wastage I must have put back about 3,900ml.
Today I took it to a specialist (a german garage that specialises in VW vehicles exclusively) just to get the level checked - and the level was okay. In fact the local specialist added around 500ml more stating that is what they normally do - which is what the dealership seems to have done too! I insisted they do a proper level check on a cold engine - and have left the vehicle there overnight. They will run the check first thing in the morning. The specialist clearly said they deal only with mechanical issues and they will not touch the gearbox.
Couldn't find a proper trouble shooting guide online . I measured block 6 (as advised by Peter on mail). MVB 006-3 The slip condition spec varies between 0/1/2. (0=Open / 1 = Closed/ 2= Slipped) and MVB 006-4 counter varies between -350 to +350. I don't know how to interpret this data to understand what is normal and what is abnormal.
I found a video online - http://www.ilexa.co.uk/vagmovies/auto_trans.htm. Unfortunately this is for a 1998 Seat 2.0 Toledo Petrol. Something like this may give some idea how to narrow down on what the issue is. Don't know if the same applies to my vehicle and GB (may be unlikely)... else something like that will definitely help.
I would like to know what to monitor to see/diagnose the component that has failed. (Torque converter or any of solenoids/pumps etc) Can someone point me in the right direction?
Much Obliged!
I am a VW enthusiast based out of Dubai. I own a 2009 VW Tiguan 4Motion 6Speed Auto (CAWB engine). It has done about 131,000kms/81000 miles.
I have been fanatical about maintenance. I follow a religious 5,000 mile oil change. I have changed everything well in advance of the norm .. including tensioners, water pump, fluids etc. I took it for a routine drive train fluid change - Haldex + both differentials + transmission including filter, gasket etc - all VW originals purchased directly from the dealer.
I stay three kms away from the garage where I got this done. I ran a auto test just for the heck of it and it suddenly threw the following.
*Thursday,10,December,2015,20:22:21:00132VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS
Emulator Running on Windows 7 x64(Parallels)VCDS Version 15.7.2.0 (x64)Data
version: 20151124www.Ross-Tech.com<http://www.ross-tech.com/>VIN:
WVGCE15N59W License Plate: Mileage: 131820km-81909mi Repair
Order: --------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 02: Auto Trans Labels: 09G-927-750.clb
Control Module Part Number: 09G 927 750 FF HW: 09G 927 750 FF
Component and/or Version: AQ 250 6F 1173Software
Coding: 0000328
Work Shop Code: WSC 16414 000 1048576
VCID: 7AFB347C35DFDDEE25-802F
1 Fault Found:
01192 - Torque Converter Lock-Up Clutch
003 - Mechanical Failure
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100011
Fault
Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 0
Mileage: 131825 kmTime
Indication: 0Date: 2043.14.17
Time: 13:09:05*
Going by the Mileage counter this seems to have happened one kilometre into my drive after the fluid change. Strangely not very evident drivability issues till now - no shudder, over-revving engine etc. However I have been take it real easy - not wanting to put any more pressure on a suspect drivetrain.
The first thing I suspected was low/insufficient oil level.
I changed the Haldex and differential oils on the same day as well. In both cases I found the existing levels higher than stipulated. (at least 100-150 ml drained out from the fill hole - where as the level is supposed to be live with, or 3mm lower than the fill hole. Looked like it came overfilled from the factory or the dealership - the last fluid change was done at the authorised dealer.
Everything I read seemed to indicate the transmission will take anything between 3.5-4litres. In fact fact the dealer looked it up and gave me only 4 litres of ATF! I decided to play safe and measure how much came out. About 4250ml came out from the drain plug + pan. Upon removing the filter looked like another 100 odd ml flowed out. Hence I decide to play safe and fill all the four litres. In the end after wastage I must have put back about 3,900ml.
Today I took it to a specialist (a german garage that specialises in VW vehicles exclusively) just to get the level checked - and the level was okay. In fact the local specialist added around 500ml more stating that is what they normally do - which is what the dealership seems to have done too! I insisted they do a proper level check on a cold engine - and have left the vehicle there overnight. They will run the check first thing in the morning. The specialist clearly said they deal only with mechanical issues and they will not touch the gearbox.
Couldn't find a proper trouble shooting guide online . I measured block 6 (as advised by Peter on mail). MVB 006-3 The slip condition spec varies between 0/1/2. (0=Open / 1 = Closed/ 2= Slipped) and MVB 006-4 counter varies between -350 to +350. I don't know how to interpret this data to understand what is normal and what is abnormal.
I found a video online - http://www.ilexa.co.uk/vagmovies/auto_trans.htm. Unfortunately this is for a 1998 Seat 2.0 Toledo Petrol. Something like this may give some idea how to narrow down on what the issue is. Don't know if the same applies to my vehicle and GB (may be unlikely)... else something like that will definitely help.
I would like to know what to monitor to see/diagnose the component that has failed. (Torque converter or any of solenoids/pumps etc) Can someone point me in the right direction?
Much Obliged!
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