Amarok 2.0 TSI , No Spark - No Fault Codes

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Ashmeer

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Hi Guys,
Hope you are well.
Have a long story here that I need some advice on.
Short Story - Theres no spark.

Long Story:
My Dads Amarok, had damaged piston rings and once the motor was opened, we discovered the timing guides were damaged as well. so we replaced all of that(chain, guides, tensioners, camshaft sensor, gaskets, rings etc). once everything was put back together, we found that there wasnt any spark, so sent the ECU in for testing, the first company said that there was an issue but would cost alot to repair with no guarantee, so took it to someone else, who said that there wasnt any issues with the ECU. Finally took it to a third person and they said there definitely is an issue with the ECU(apparently a few diodes were an issue). After his repair and also bringing in another ECU(which was immo'd off apparently - also from the same model) we still dont have any spark(he said he will test again and check what the issue is).

We also have an audi with the same engine, swapped over the coils and crank sensor to the audi and it starts, so we dont think theres an issue with the coils or crank sensor

We tested and traced wires for continuity, we found that on the coil there is power, but no power on the signal wire (purple wire).

Today, I read thread that said the hpfp could cause such an issue, but I am not sure if that would cause an issue with spark, we notice that the fuel line coming from the lpfp in the tank gives very little fuel to the hpfp, like small pulses. So I am not sure if that might be an issue(perhaps the low pressure/no fuel is causing the ecu to cut the spark as a form of protection).

i have checked the pressure on the pumps with vcds and they seems to be in line with the specs according to what I have read.

I have posted an autoscan below as well some advanced values taken today.

Any Ideas would be appreciated

Thank you.


Code:
Tuesday,18,February,2025,18:50:46:45496
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 11 x64
VCDS Version: 24.7.1.0 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4643.4
Data version: 20240919 DS356.3
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WV1ZZZ2HZB8081291   License Plate: AMAROK
Mileage: 250110km-155411mi   Repair Order:



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Chassis Type: 2H-VN81 (6N0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 17 19 25 69

VIN: WV1ZZZ2HZB8081291   Mileage: 250110km-155411miles

01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: Malfunction 0010
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
69-Trailer -- Status: OK 0000
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Address 01: Engine (------CFPA)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 2H0 907 115     HW: 2H0 907 115
   Component: 2.0l R4/4V TF H06 0002 
   Revision: P8H06---    Serial number: 00000000000000 CVN: B09AD1E0
   Coding: 01190012430500010000
   Shop #: WSC 07456 790 50316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM20TFS0112H0907115 004001
   ROD: EV_ECM20TFS011_VN81.rod
   VCID: 619E595D71C2B182305-8034
   VINID: 9E606AAAA098A9220020108904DF2CA282

3 Faults Found:
4527 - Coolant Fan Control Circuit 1
          P0480 00 [00100111] - Electrical Malfunction
          Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Mileage: 0 km
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 00:00:00

                    Engine RPM: 0.00 /min
                    Normed load value: 0.0 %
                    Vehicle speed: 0 km/h
                    Coolant temperature: 21  C
                    Intake air temperature: 21  C
                    Ambient air pressure: 830 mbar
                    Voltage terminal 30: 12.274 V
                    Unlearning counter according OBD: 40

4708 - No Communications with HVAC Control Module (J301)
          U0164 00 [00100111] - -
          Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Mileage: 250111 km
                    Date: 2025.02.18.
                    Time: 00:00:01

                    Engine RPM: 0.00 /min
                    Normed load value: 0.0 %
                    Vehicle speed: 0 km/h
                    Coolant temperature: 21  C
                    Intake air temperature: 21  C
                    Ambient air pressure: 830 mbar
                    Voltage terminal 30: 12.227 V
                    Unlearning counter according OBD: 40

4629 - ECM Power Relay Load Circuit
          P068A 00 [01100101] - Opens Too Early
          Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1

                    Engine RPM: 0.00 /min
                    Normed load value: 0.0 %
                    Vehicle speed: 0 km/h
                    Coolant temperature: 20  C
                    Intake air temperature: 21  C
                    Ambient air pressure: 830 mbar
                    Voltage terminal 30: 12.510 V
                    Unlearning counter according OBD: 40

Readiness: 1110 0100

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No SW: 2H0 907 379 H    HW: 2H0 907 379 B
   Component: ASR MK25 E          0107 
   Revision: 00H23001   
   Coding: 0000070
   Shop #: WSC 07456 790 50316
   VCID: 3536DD0D994A6D22BCD-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC
Cannot be reached

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Address 09: Cent. Elect.
Cannot be reached
Unable to communicate with address 09. Are you sure the doors are unlocked?

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 5K0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 2H0 959 655 B    HW: 2H0 959 655 B
   Component: VW10Airbag00C H06 0013 
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 003HN003MZS2 Dataset Number: 2H0003v____ 0157
   Coding: 000000000000000000000000000000003043
   Shop #: WSC 07446 790 50316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVN750 A01026
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVN750.rod
   VCID: 3332E3159BBE7312929-8066

   Crash sensor for front airbag: driver side:
   Serial number: 3555YRB405108IEIL8T1

   Crash sensor for front airbag: front passenger side:
   Serial number: 3565YRB405308IEIMPF8

1 Fault Found:
9437211 - Igniter for Driver's Airbag
          B1000 1B [10001001] - Resistance Too High
          MIL ON - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Mileage: 250111 km
                    Date: 2025.02.18.
                    Time: 00:07:59


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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
   Part No SW: 2H0 920 850 A    HW: 2H0 920 850 A
   Component: KOMBI         H05 0304 
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 170000
   Shop #: WSC 07456 790 50316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04086
   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_VN81.rod
   VCID: 231213552B5EE392629-8076

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 6N0-909-901-6R.clb
   Part No SW: 6N0 909 901     HW: 6R7 937 085 D
   Component: GW-K-CAN TP20 0022 
   Revision: -5------   
   Coding: 742100
   Shop #: WSC 07462 790 50316
   VCID: 70B82C19AAA8080AAFB-8024

1 Fault Found:
01320 - Control Module for Climatronic (J255)
            004 - No Signal/Communication

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Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 5K0 953 234
   Component: IMMO          H05 0304 
   Serial number:               
   Coding: 000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03008
   ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09_VW21.rod
   VCID: 6A8C3E718CF4F2DAE1F-803E

No fault code found.

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Address 69: Trailer (J345)       Labels:. 1K0-907-383-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 383 F    HW: 1K0 907 383 F
   Component: Anhaenger     H09 0100 
   Revision: 3A001001    Serial number: 00000158747715
   Coding: 0100000100000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 3038EC196A28480AEFB-8064

No fault code found.

End----------(Elapsed Time: 00:55, VBatt start/end: 12.4V/12.4V)-----------






Code:
Tuesday,18,February,2025,19:50:35:45496
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 11 x64
VCDS Version: 24.7.1.0 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4643.4
Data version: 20240919 DS356.3
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WV1ZZZ2HZB8081291   License Plate: AMAROK2


                Address 01: Engine  (2H0 907 115 )

19:50:23
  IDE00019   Voltage terminal 30 12.274 V
  IDE00201   High fuel pressure: specified value 6.0000 MPa
  IDE00202   Low fuel pressure: specified value 500.0 kPa
  IDE00357   Fuel temperature -48.0 °C
  IDE00589   Fuel pressure 110 kPa rel
  IDE01378   Fuel high pressure: control deviation 5.7915 MPa
  IDE01773   Misfire totalizer 0
  IDE01774-ENG103277   Status misfire recognition-Channel 232 locked
  IDE01893   Fuel pump: specified value 10.001 %
  IDE01975   Numb.of misfir.: cylinder 1 3435
  IDE01976   Numb.of misfir.: cylinder 2 64469
  IDE03963   Low fuel pressure adaptation value for EFP 10.0 kPa
 
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Hi Guys,

Any Ideas? Thought we might look at the cam rpm, which is quite low. perhaps the low speed causes ecu not to release spark output
 
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Thought we might look at the cam rpm, which is quite low.
Should be half of engine RPM at all times. If not, there's an issue with the sensor(s).

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Log the crank sensor... does it register rpm while cranking?
Look at WDs... what's your trigger wire supposed to get signal from? Check the other end of said wire!
 
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Checked every single wire for continuity, all perfectly fine...

Got an electrician out today, and he comes in with his own crank sensor...and now by some miracle we have spark.

Strangely enough we removed the old sensor placed in Audi and it started right up. So we definitely didnt think it was the Crank Sensor.

However, it still isn't starting as the compression is very low(around 2 Bar -29Psi), if im correct it should be around 125 to 175psi per cylinder.

Also picking up a P157000 code(but this is because apparently the ECU has been immo'd off, cant post autoscan because Im not with the vehicle today)

So now we have to check on the mechanical side, as to why the comporession is low and once that is done hopefully it starts up.

Thanks Alot Guys.
Seems as if everytime I come here I learn something new
 
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