ZF 8 speed auto transmission in 2015 Audi Allroad

[runsub5]

With cold temperatures (10-20 degrees) the car is slightly jerky when accelerating from a stop. Once the car has been driven 4 -5 miles the jerkiness is gone. Car has 60K miles and I just changed ATF and filter with liqui-moly. No change. No transmission fault codes when scanning with VCDS. Any thoughts about transmission adaptation settings and how to do it? I have Audi drive and the symptoms are there in auto, comfort and dynamic modes.

 

[MasterTommy]

Is this a 0D5 or 0D6 transmission?

Firstly, regardless of anything I would go through powertrain related TPI’s/TSB’s on Erwin to see if there is anything related to your complaint already being addressed in one of them. Also to check for software updates.

You will need to read the factory service documentation.


That being said, in case this is a 0D5 or 0D6 transmission, and only if it is a 0D5 or 0D6 transmission:

1: Make sure fluid type is correct. Either the correct fluid from ZF or the fluid from Audi. Neither are cheap but the ZF one is cheaper.

2: Make sure the fluid level is correct. This is screwed up more often than not because people, including dealer techs dont read.

For example, for the 0D6:
The coolant hose to or from the transmission heat exchanger needs to be clamped off. After initial filling and going through the gears with the prescribed intervals and the HVAC set to the correct settings (usual mistake #1) the transmission needs to cool down to (from memory) about 30°C. Then, with the engine idling (usual mistake #2) and the vehicle level (usual mistake #3) and the fluid temp within prescribed temperature range, you fill it to the underside off the fill plug hole, put the fill plug back and then shut off the engine (usual mistake #4). The torque converter drains as soon as the engine is shut off, which makes a big difference in the amount of fluid in the transmission.

The above is for the 0D6 transmission, i assume a 0D5 is similar, but you’re not doing any of this without reading the factory service documentation so no guarantees.

After, and really after doing 1 and 2:

3:

Run the ‘quick adaptation’ in the basic settings of the transmission. Transmission (and engine?) needs to be at operating temperature, engine idling, foot ond the brake and gearbox in D, then start the basic setting and wait for it to finish before releasing the brake. It takes about a full minute to complete. Then shut off the ignition for a full minute.

Do not run the basic setting without confirming/double checking step 1 and 2 first.

Everything I mentioned here is from memory so take it as purely informative.

 

[runsub5]

Thanks for your reply. There are no service or technical bulletins for this car. I had these symptoms before changing fluid and filter. Only exhibits symptoms until reaching operating temperature. I don't know which type of automatic transmission. VCDS is not telling me when I look at scan data. There are no fault codes.

 

[MasterTommy]

Please post that scan here.

 

[Uwe]

VCDS is not telling me when I look at scan data.

Horsefeathers.

Please post that scan here.

This, please.

-Uwe-

 

[EuroX]

Thanks for your reply. There are no service or technical bulletins for this car. I had these symptoms before changing fluid and filter. Only exhibits symptoms until reaching operating temperature. I don't know which type of automatic transmission. VCDS is not telling me when I look at scan data. There are no fault codes.

If it's only doing this until it's up to temp this tells me the fluid level is low.

 

[EuroX]

Audi transmission fluid expands when it heats up, just like most other transmission fluids, meaning that to accurately check the fluid level, you should always do so when the transmission is at operating temperature, as the fluid will expand due to thermal expansion. IIRC fluid should be checked when trans fluid temp reaches 32 degrees C.

 

[runsub5]

If it's only doing this until it's up to temp this tells me the fluid level is low.

My previous notion of not being an engine problem may be wrong. Yesterday I started the engine from a cold state (30 degrees F) and engaged drive with my foot on brake. I gradually increased engine RPM up to 2K. While doing this I was able to replicate the jerking I was getting while actually driving the car. Once I got to 2K I held it there and continued to feel jerking sensation, After a few seconds engine RPM dropped to 1K and I couldn't get it back to 2K unless I released the throttle. At that point I could once again accelerate to 2K and hold for a few seconds before dropping back to 1K. Could there be a carbon build up on the intake valves? When the engine is thoroughly warmed up I can repeat the procedure with no jerking and I can hold the throttle at 2 K without it dropping back to 1K. At this point I think the problem is engine related and not transmission. What's puzzling is there are no fault codes for either transmission or engine. If it is carbon related why are the symptoms only there with a cold startup? Really puzzling. Is it possible to access real time engine data with VCDS to see if there are misfires? If so. is there a resource for how to do it?

 

[EuroX]

Its clearly a transmission issue. Why don't we do the basics as mentioned above instead of coming up with theories?

 

[Uwe]

If it is carbon related why are the symptoms only there with a cold startup?

Carbon issues typically manifest most with a cold engine.

Is it possible to access real time engine data with VCDS to see if there are misfires?

Of course.

If so. is there a resource for how to do it?

That's difficult without knowing what ECU your car has, which we would, if you had posted and Auto-Scan as has been requested several times in this thread.

But then again, I think this guy might be right:

Its clearly a transmission issue.

-Uwe-

 

[runsub5]

Chassis Type: FL-AU48 (8R0)
Scan: 01 02 03 05 08 09 15 16 17 19 2E 36 42 44 46 47 52 53 56 62
          6D 72 77

VIN: WA1UFAFL1FA101407   Mileage: 98920km-61466miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
2E-Media Player 3 -- Status: OK 0000
36-Seat Mem. Drvr -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
6D-Trunk Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
77-Telephone -- Status: OK 0000
 
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Address 01: Engine (DET-CPMB)       Labels:. 06H-907-115-CDN.clb
   Part No SW: 8K5 907 115 N    HW: 8K2 907 115 L
   Component: 2.0l R4/4V TF H09 0005 
   Revision: ECH09---    CVN: FE64ECCA
   Coding: 722A0013242600062000
   Shop #: WSC 48194 002 1048576
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM20TFS0118K5907115N 001006
   ROD: EV_ECM20TFS0118K5907115N.rod
   VCID: 3D71C4A7AC5D977EE0-8068
   VINID: 9D106559159C0564410011001C49FC8E0B

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0000 0000

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Address 02: Auto Trans (J217)       Labels:| 0BK-927-156.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 927 158 AE    HW: 0BK 927 156 AL
   Component: 0BK 20TFSIUSA H19 1004 
   Revision: --H19---    CVN: 75154AA3
   Coding: 000001
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMAL551211 002022
   ROD: EV_TCMAL551211_002_AU48.rod
   VCID: 79F910B7F8F56B5E8C-802C

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:. 8K0-907-379-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 8K9 907 379 P    HW: 8K9 907 379 P
   Component: ESP8 quattro  H09 0020 
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 0E1D1801
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 4FAD8E6F1EF115EE02-801A

No fault code found.

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Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. (J393)       Labels:. 8K0-907-064-05.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 KP    HW: 8K0 907 064 KP
   Component: BCM2 2.0      H15 0711 
   Revision: 00002001   
   Coding: 0D824040000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 081F6573BB1F02D683-805C

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 905 852 E    HW: 8K0 905 852 E
   Component: J764 ELV MLB  H40 0046
   Serial number: 3215000019622005   

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels:. 8Kx-820-043-3Z.clb
   Part No SW: 8K1 820 043 AQ    HW: 8K1 820 043 AQ
   Component: KLIMA 3 ZONEN H04 0123 
   Revision: C1000000    Serial number: 01090220150235
   Coding: 6480208000
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 77FD168FC6E17D2EFA-8022

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 8K0-907-063.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 063 DF    HW: 8K0 907 063 DF
   Component: BCM1 1.0      H16 0103 
   Revision: 06016001    Serial number: 00000992008301
   Coding: 26000091863CAFE00100488300003D0D0F1CC70822090221000008004000030100000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 76E31B8BC1EB0426E1-8022

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K1 955 119 B    HW: 8K1 955 119 B  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: MITSUBA080115  H18 0461
   Serial number: 1501060601334       
   Coding: 004577

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8U0 955 559 C    HW: 8U0 955 559 B  Labels: 8U0-955-559.CLB
   Component: G397_RLFS  H06 0004
   Serial number: 20089650           
   Coding: 02005D

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 8K0 941 531 AS    HW: 8K0 941 531 AS
   Component: E1 - LDS  H03 0031
   Serial number: 00000000000302155144

   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 4G0 907 410 A    HW: 4H0 907 410 A
   Component: USHL4.2  H30 0030
   Serial number: 00000000095Z01DEC670

   Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: 4H0 907 658     HW: 4H0 907 658
   Component: AQ_Hum_Sensor  H03 0003
   Serial number: 11980197000000000001

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 8K0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 959 655 R    HW: 8K0 959 655 R
   Component: AirbagVW-AU10 H51 0812 
   Serial number: 003NED1363H/   Dataset Number: 8K0909602R  0001
   Coding: 303844354A32383131304A55304C384B3053
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaECUVWAUDI010 003114
   ROD: EV_AirbaECUVWAUDI010_003_AU48.rod
   VCID: 4C979963E7E72EF667-8018

   Seat occupied recognition:
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 339 C    HW: 8K0 959 339 C
   Component: BF-Gewichtss.  H02 0040
   Serial number: 5810000R140000HLRH

   Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side:
   Serial number: 6334MSME4D1A3125C

   Front Passenger's Side Airbag Crash Sensor:
   Serial number: 6344MSME4D5A4F22T

   Rear Side Airbag Crash Sensor (on driver's side):
   Serial number: 6352QSME334B3F70N

   Passenger side rear thorax airbag crash sensor:
   Serial number: 6362QSME2B4B3D5A.

   Crash sensor for front airbag: driver side:
   Serial number: 63732SME2050405ET

   Crash sensor for front airbag: front passenger side:
   Serial number: 63832SME23503460N

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels:. 8K0-953-568.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 953 568 Q    HW: 8K0 953 568 Q
   Component: Lenks.Modul   H03 0003 
   Revision: C0062331    Serial number: 90862OB3000TF
   Coding: 000037
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 489FA573FB9FC2D643-801C

   Component: E221 - MFL  H03 0004

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:. 8T0-920-xxx-17.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 920 951 E    HW: 8K0 920 951 E
   Component: KOMBIINSTR.   H09 0567 
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 605515P1G     
   Coding: 8B9629020301D705020000
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 326BE79B6D0358060D-8066

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 8T0-907-468.clb
   Part No SW: 8R0 907 468 L    HW: 8R0 907 468 A
   Component: GW-BEM 5CAN   H11 0060 
   Revision: 1V090029    Serial number: 2941V1512605EA
   Coding: 80C303FF00
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 489FA573FB9FC2D643-801C

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8T0 915 181     HW: 8T0 915 181
   Component: J367-BDMHella  H03 8041
   Serial number: 8875135603         

No fault code found.

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Address 2E: Media Player 3 (R199)       Labels:. 8T0-035-785.clb
   Part No SW: 8T0 035 785 A    HW: 8T0 035 785
   Component: SG ext.Player H08 0290 
   Revision: 00000000   
   Coding: 020302
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 3979D0B7B075AB5ECC-806C

No fault code found.

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Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr (J136)       Labels:. 8T0-959-760.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 959 760 D    HW: 8K0 959 760 D
   Component: MEM-FS        H06 0077 
   Revision: AA000000    Serial number: 00000133871117
   Coding: 00581B00000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 3B75CABFBA49994EDE-806E

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels:. 8K0-959-793.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 959 793 R    HW: 8K0 959 793 P
   Component: TSG FA        H02 0510 
   Revision:             Serial number: 0000135382577
   Coding: 011C13205E00410001
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 4FAD8E6F1EF115EE02-801A

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist (J500)       Labels:| 8K0-909-144.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 909 144 J    HW: 8K0 909 144 B
   Component: RCEPS         H41 0509 
   Revision: 00001000    Serial number: 0023441291 Dataset Number: 8K0909852K  0025
   Coding: 100000010001
   Shop #: WSC 06334 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_RCEPSAU48X 008016
   ROD: EV_RCEPSAU48X_008.rod
   VCID: 387FD5B3837FB25633-806C

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv. (J393)       Labels:. 8K0-907-064-46.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 KP    HW: 8K0 907 064 KP
   Component: BCM2 2.0      H15 0711 
   Revision: 00002001    Serial number: 0359842927   
   Coding: 0126023A20BA709580B0023200000000
   Shop #: WSC 06334 000 00000
   VCID: 081F6573BB1F02D683-805C

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 719 B    HW: 8K0 959 719
   Component: GTO BF  H01 0080
   Serial number: 00000000000000942527

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
   Component: LIN BACKUP HO  H05 1501

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 591 C    HW: 8K0 959 591
   Component: J245 PS151  H08 0043

   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 591 C    HW: 8K0 959 591
   Component: J394 PS240  H08 0043

No fault code found.

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Address 47: Sound System (J525)       Labels:. 8T0-035-223-ASC.clb
   Part No SW: 8R0 035 223 H    HW: 8R0 035 223 F
   Component: DSP STD       H11 0470 
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 00000000000001
   Coding: 0203010102
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 3169E8976805631E74-8064

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels:. 8K0-959-792.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 959 792 R    HW: 8K0 959 792 P
   Component: TSG BF        H02 0510 
   Revision:             Serial number: 0000134952170
   Coding: 011C13205E00410001
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 4E93936B19FB1CE609-801A

No fault code found.

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Address 53: Parking Brake (----)       Labels: 8K0-907-801-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 801 N    HW: 8K0 907 801 J
   Component: EPB-4         H02 0005 
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 10000000495230
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ParkiBrake 001028
   ROD: EV_ParkiBrake_AU48.rod
   VCID: 3A7BCFBBBD73A046C5-806E

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio (J503)       Labels:. 8Tx-035-1xx-56.clb
   Part No SW: 8R1 035 186 Q    HW: 8R1 035 186 Q
   Component: Con3 Sirius   H09 0471 
   Revision: 00000004    Serial number: AUZ5Z6P2125778
   Coding: 040200020102850043D9070800
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 4385B25FC2B9E18E96-8016

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8T0 919 603 G    HW: 8T0 919 603 G
   Component: Display 

No fault code found.

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Address 62: Door, Rear Left (J388)       Labels:. 8K0-959-795.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 959 795 G    HW: 8K0 959 795 D
   Component: TSG HL        H01 0510 
   Revision:             Serial number: 0000135533459
   Coding: 010C13204000210001
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 4683AB4BF18BD4A6B1-8012

No fault code found.

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Address 6D: Trunk Elect. (J605)       Labels: 8K9-827-851.clb
   Part No SW: 8K9 827 851 C    HW: 8K9 827 851 C
   Component: J605  Master  H53 0330 
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 8K9827851C   
   VCID: 3E73C3ABA95B8C66F9-806A

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K9 827 852 C    HW: 8K9 827 852 C
   Component: J756  Slave  H53 0330
   Serial number: 8K9827852C         

No fault code found.

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right (J389)       Labels:. 8K0-959-795.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 959 795 G    HW: 8K0 959 795 D
   Component: TSG HR        H01 0510 
   Revision:             Serial number: 0000135458080
   Coding: 010C13204000210001
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 4683AB4BF18BD4A6B1-8012

No fault code found.

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Address 77: Telephone        Labels: 8P0-862-335.lbl
   Part No SW: 8T0 862 336 F    HW: 8T0 862 336 E
   Component: FSE_256x BT     H45 0660 
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 00000005394663
   Coding: 0010370
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 3E73C3AB695B8C66F9-806A

No fault code found.

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Here is my most recent scan.

 

[runsub5]

It appears that I have a 0BK transmission. What would be the procedure for running a transmission adaptation?

 

[EuroX]

It appears that I have a 0BK transmission. What would be the procedure for running a transmission adaptation?

So we're still just going to ignore post#7? Good luck to you.

 

[runsub5]

I haven't ignored post #7. The jerking occurred before I had a Audi technician drain and refill with a new filter. The transmission has no leaks. He followed the correct Audi procedure and the symptoms are still there.

 

[EuroX]

Good help is hard to find. If you haven't verified the correct level yourself then I suggest you do that. If you can please tell the procedure that was followed step by step exactly as its written so that we know for certain that it was done correctly.

 

[runsub5]

I am unable to verify myself. I do not have a lift. I was once able to jack up the car at all four corners and do it myself (car has to be level), but health issues no longer allow me to do this easily. My technician had the car over night to insure it was cold. He drained and removed pan to replace filter. There were no traces of metal in the oil or filter as I witnessed this after he completed the job. He refiiied while monitoring the temperature of the fluid. Started engine and ran transmission through reverse and forward gears. Checked and refilled while the fluid was in the correct temperature range.

 

[Dr Sheldon]

Easy little job here that is becoming a drama !!

My technician had the car over night to insure it was cold. He drained and removed pan to replace filter. There were no traces of metal in the oil or filter as I witnessed this after he completed the job. He refiiied while monitoring the temperature of the fluid. Started engine and ran transmission through reverse and forward gears. Checked and refilled while the fluid was in the correct temperature range.

That there could be a good or shit way to do it !!

Is that the same procedure as described in >>ERWIN<< or Not - Straight Yes or No Question ??

At this point have you confirmed an Engine or Box issue or we still guessing ??


All very good you project managing this !! Well, it would be if you knew what you are doing yourself ?

 

[PetrolDave]

IIRC fluid should be checked when trans fluid temp reaches 32 degrees C.

My technician had the car over night to insure it was cold.

To my way of thinking "cold" and "32 degrees Celsius" are not the same thing, "cold" and "32 degrees Fahrenheit" maybe but...

 

[runsub5]

To my way of thinking "cold" and "32 degrees Celsius" are not the same thing, "cold" and "32 degrees Fahrenheit" maybe but.

You are correct. The fluid level was verified at 32 degrees centigrade not fahrenheit.

 

[davisev5225]

Put the correct fluid in your transmission and hope that the friction plates haven't already deteriorated from mixing incompatible fluids. ZF transmissions need ZF fluid, in your case, ZF Lifeguard 8. The Audi-branded bottle contains the same fluid, it's just repackaged. Anything else is unacceptable in your transmission and is likely to cause damage from gelling or other unintended chemical interactions between incompatible additive packages.

The only time you can change the specified fluid is if you also change the friction plates at the same time, which might as well be a total transmission rebuild at that point.