Resolved Audi Q5 8R MY10 and automatic transmission adaptation problem

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Hey!:)

Car info:
Audi Q5 8R MY2010
2.0 TDI Quattro (CAHA)
S-Tronic (0B5)

The owner of the car has changed to a transmission parts: dual mass flywheel and dual wet clutch.
These parts have been replaced because the car jerked and a vibration was felt when the car started moving or when the car stopped.
Now that the parts have been replaced, I assume that the transmission needs to be taught the values again so that the transmission works smoothly.
I checked the auto-scan log for information about the gearbox and found the information: 0B5. I tried using the instructions in this link to adapt the gearbox, but it crashes with an error message.

I tried to adjust the gearbox when the car was cold or warm (driven +50km) but it didn't work. I tested VCDS 24.9.1 beta and 24.7.1, but same result..

Can the adaptation fail because the software version of the gearbox is too old?

Auto-Scan log:

Code:
Tuesday,05,November,2024,19:24:11:00464
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 11 x64
VCDS Version: 24.7.1.0 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4656.4
Data version: 20240919 DS356.3
www.Ross-Tech.com

Dealer/Shop Name: J.P - V3lmu

VIN: WAUZZZ8R3BA013811   License Plate: AUDI Q5 -10
Mileage: 241500km-150061mi   Repair Order: 1. kierros - 5.11.24



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Chassis Type: 8R-AU48 (8T0)
Scan: 01 02 03 05 08 09 10 15 16 17 18 19 42 46 52 53 55 56 62 6D
          72

VIN: WAUZZZ8R3BA013811   Mileage: 241500km-150061miles

01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: Malfunction 0010
18-Aux. Heat -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000
55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
6D-Trunk Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
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Address 01: Engine (J623-CAHA)       Labels:| 03L-906-022-CAG.clb
   Part No SW: 03L 906 019 AS    HW: 03L 906 022 B
   Component: R4 2.0l TDI   H05 9977
   Revision: 11H05---    CVN: C0AF04B1
   Coding: 01210023241F2120
   Shop #: WSC 36754 001 1048576
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM20TDI03L906019AS A01011
   ROD: EV_ECM20TDI03L906019AR.rod
   VCID: 7CA1F4E7C66B7AEA033-8028
   VINID: 9D196AAAA2220D244004320104A722779B

1 Fault Found:
7859 - Intake Manifold Flap Position Sensor (Bank 1)
          P2015 00 [10101111] - Implausible Signal
          MIL ON - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 9
                    Mileage: 241387 km
                    Date: 2024.10.31
                    Time: 08:04:35

                    Engine RPM: 0.00 /min
                    Normed load value: 0.0 %
                    Vehicle speed: 0 km/h
                    Coolant temperature: 59  C
                    Intake air temperature: 5  C
                    Ambient air pressure: 990 mbar
                    Voltage terminal 30: 13.240 V
                    Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
                    Crankshaft speed (RPM): 0.0 /min
                    Vehicle speed: 0.00 km/h
                    Accelerator position: 0.00 %
                    V Sw Vlv r Drft Opn mp: 11.79 %
                    V Sw Vlv r Drft Clsd mp: 7.56 %
                    V Sw Vlv u Raw: 391.8 mV
                    V Sw Vlv st Mon-Bits 0-7: 0
                    V Sw Vlv st Mon-Bits 0-7: 0
                    V Sw Vlv st Mon-Bits 0-7: 0
                    V Sw Vlv st Mon-Bits 0-7: 0

Readiness: 1 1 0 0 0

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Address 02: Auto Trans (J217)       Labels:| 0B5-927-156.clb
   Part No SW: 8R0 927 156 R    HW: 0B5 927 156 F
   Component: 0B5 20 TDIRdW H05 0004
   Revision: --H05---    Serial number: 0000001608 CVN: 00009E06
   Coding: 000001
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMDL501 A02087
   ROD: EV_TCMDL501.rod
   VCID: 4ACD623FDC3F145AC1F-801E

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:. 8R0-907-379-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 8R0 907 379 H    HW: 8R0 907 379 H
   Component: ESP8 quattro  H06 0100
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 0D5548
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 45D75103F5A1FB222CD-8010

No fault code found.

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Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. (J393)       Labels:. 8K0-907-064-05.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 CQ    HW: 8K0 907 064 CQ
   Component: BCM2 2.0      H04 0430
   Revision: 00002001 
   Coding: 010500
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 015F8513A1091702505-8054

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8T0 959 754 D    HW: 8T0 959 754 D
   Component: FBSAUDIB8 IDG  H50 0071
   Serial number: 0510000041781021 

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8K0 905 852 D    HW: 8K0 905 852 D
   Component: J764 ELV MLB  H37 0042
   Serial number: 0210000117041009 

1 Fault Found:
00956 - Key 2
            002 - Lower Limit Exceeded
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100010
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 6
                    Reset counter: 192
                    Mileage: 241339 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2024.10.28
                    Time: 18:58:10


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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No SW: 8T1 820 043 AN    HW: 8T1 820 043 AN
   Component: KLIMA 1 ZONE  H08 0180
   Revision: A1000000    Serial number: 01190620101137
   Coding: 34090000
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 7DA7F9E3DDF173E234D-8028

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 8K0-907-063.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 063 P    HW: 8K0 907 063 P
   Component: BCM1 1.0      H29 0392
   Revision: 10029001    Serial number: 00000000577038
   Coding: 2600D0914034AF010001000300001D0D001C470802010101000000
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 3C2134E7866BBAEA433-8068

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8R1 955 119 A    HW: 8R1 955 119   Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: WWS416 100617  H10 0041
   Serial number: 90243014100614150616
   Coding: 01DD13

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8K0 955 559     HW: 8K0 955 559   Labels: 8K0-955-559.CLB
   Component: RLS  H04 0003
   Serial number: 10967488         
   Coding: 024D25

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 8K0 941 531 AL    HW: 8K0 941 531 AL
   Component: E1 - LDS  H08 0090
   Serial number: 00000000002306102282

No fault code found.

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Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J446)       Labels:. 8K0-919-475.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 919 475 R    HW: 8K0 919 475 A
   Component: PARKHILFE 8K  H06 0070
   Revision: 11001001    Serial number: 50941018100548
   Coding: 100105
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 48C95837C2B3E64AD7B-801C

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:* 8R0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 8R0 959 655 E    HW: 8R0 959 655 E
   Component: AirbagVW-AU10 H41 0610
   Serial number: 003GND0GEHX6   Dataset Number: 8R0909602D  0001
   Coding: 30423331313030303030554A304C38523053
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaAU10SMEAU416 002004
   ROD: EV_AirbaAU10SMEAU416.rod
   VCID: 46D5560FC827F03A257-8012

   Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side:
   Serial number: 6334MSME5601295DE

   Front Passenger's Side Airbag Crash Sensor:
   Serial number: 6344MSME55044D4DM

   Rear Side Airbag Crash Sensor (on driver's side):
   Serial number: 6352QSME27693F26R

   Passenger side rear thorax airbag crash sensor:
   Serial number: 6362QSME2468270AH

   Crash sensor for front airbag: driver side:
   Serial number: 63732SME53653C20Z

   Crash sensor for front airbag: front passenger side:
   Serial number: 63832SME5165540E/

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels:. 8K0-953-568.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 953 568 E    HW: 8K0 953 568 E
   Component: Lenks.Modul   H16 0014
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 90304JFB000MO
   Coding: 000007
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 3C2134E7866BBAEA433-8068

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:. 8R0-920-xxx-17.clb
   Part No SW: 8R0 920 931 B    HW: 8R0 920 931 B
   Component: KOMBIINSTR.   H12 0258
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: EK1224P6A   
   Coding: 0F06220002000008010000
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 34311CC7AE3B72AA8B3-8060

1 Fault Found:
00003 - Control Module
            005 - No or Incorrect Basic Setting / Adaptation
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100101
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 192
                    Mileage: 241321 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2024.10.28
                    Time: 18:13:50


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Address 18: Aux. Heat (J364)       Labels:. 8R0-265-105.clb
   Part No SW: 4H0 265 105 A    HW: 4H0 265 105 A
   Component: Standheizung  H20 0230
   Revision: 34003004    Serial number: 20100621235608
   Coding: 5D4000
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 2019E0970AC3FE0A7FB-8074

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 8T0-907-468.clb
   Part No SW: 8T0 907 468 AB    HW: 8T0 907 468 H
   Component: GW-BEM 5CAN   H06 0117
   Revision: GB800053    Serial number: 5300G106148380
   Coding: 00C303
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 015F8513A1091702505-8054

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8R0 915 181     HW: 8R0 915 181
   Component: J367-BDM  H07 0140
   Serial number: 00000000005650211224

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels:. 8K0-959-793.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 959 793 M    HW: 8K0 959 793 M
   Component: TSG FA        H12 0357
   Revision:             Serial number: 0000106066049
   Coding: 011002205000440004
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 4ACD623FDCBF145AC1F-801E

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv. (J393)       Labels:. 8K0-907-064-46.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 CQ    HW: 8K0 907 064 CQ
   Component: BCM2 2.0      H04 0430
   Revision: 00002001    Serial number: 0132042712 
   Coding: 0100062020B930808420053280000000
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 015F8513A1091702505-8054

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels:. 8K0-959-792.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 959 792 M    HW: 8K0 959 792 M
   Component: TSG BF        H12 0357
   Revision:             Serial number: 0000105986305
   Coding: 011002205000440004
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 49CF5D33D9B91F42C85-801C

No fault code found.

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Address 53: Parking Brake (J540)       Labels: 8K0-907-801-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 801 H    HW: 8K0 907 801 H
   Component: EPB Audi B8   H09 0100
   Revision: 00000003    Serial number: 00000000678481
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 34311CC7AE3B72AA8B3-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 55: Headlight Range        Labels: 8K0-907-357.clb
   Part No: 8K0 907 357 D
   Component: Dynamische LWR  H01 0010
   Revision: 00000001    Serial number:             
   Coding: 0000006
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 363526CFB44760BAB57-8062

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio (J503)       Labels:. 8Tx-035-1xx-56.clb
   Part No SW: 8T1 035 186 P    HW: 8T1 035 186 P
   Component: Concert3      H07 0350
   Revision: 00000011    Serial number: AUZ5Z6J1425827
   Coding: 0500048004050100055B070000
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 44D14C07FE9BC22A3B3-8010

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8T0 919 603 F    HW: 8T0 919 603 F
   Component: Display

No fault code found.

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Address 62: Door, Rear Left (J388)       Labels:. 8K0-959-795.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 959 795 F    HW: 8K0 959 795 F
   Component: TSG HL        H11 0357
   Revision:             Serial number: 0000106019189
   Coding: 010002204000240004
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 45D75103F5A1FB222CD-8010

No fault code found.

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Address 6D: Trunk Elect. (J605)       Labels: 8K9-827-851.clb
   Part No SW: 8R0 827 851 B    HW: 8R0 827 851 B
   Component: J605  Master  H50 0330
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 8R0827851B 
   VCID: 3B2337FB8365BDD24A9-806E

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8R0 827 852 B    HW: 8R0 827 852 B
   Component: J756  Slave  H50 0330
   Serial number: 8R0827852B       

No fault code found.

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right (J389)       Labels:. 8K0-959-795.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 959 795 F    HW: 8K0 959 795 F
   Component: TSG HR        H11 0357
   Revision:             Serial number: 0000106019186
   Coding: 010002204000240004
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 45D75103F5A1FB222CD-8010

No fault code found.

End----------(Elapsed Time: 01:22, VBatt start/end: 14.1V/14.5V)-----------
 
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Not all TCMs support the Erase counter for start and stop processes step so it isn't uncommon to receive the error but the engine running steps:

Clutch valve calibration
and
Distance sensor calibration

... are always supported and they need to finish correctly. Did those report errors as well?







Edit. This car has PR-Code 7L7 Regenerative braking with 12.5 V but it doesn't have start/stop. That explains why the first basic settings resulted in error. I'll edit that Wiki page to make it less confusing. :thumbs:
 
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Not all TCMs support the Erase counter for start and stop processes step so it isn't uncommon to receive the error but the engine running steps Erase counter for start and stop processes and Distance sensor calibration are always supported and they need to finish correctly. Did those report errors as well?
I tried once that I skipped the first part of this. It started to do the 2nd function, but ended with the message: Aborted|Safety reason.
 
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I firstly want to mention that I spotted a copy and paste failure in my earlier reply and edited post #2.

If it failed on the Clutch valve calibration step you may be able to obtain additional information by firstly having these Advanced Measuring Values pulled up before starting the Basic Settings:

[*ENG103018-ENG188701*] Current Test Routine
[*ENG107524-ENG104213*] M045_Grd_AbbruchCode - Abbruch Grunde

Additionally, if there were any fault codes in older Auto-Scans they may provide clues about any other issues with this transmission.

In regards to the software level it does look like several flash updates applied over the years:


If you can get it flash updated from SWL 0004 to the latest version 0015 that would be ideal. In that case I would use the test plans in ODIS as well to see if it can calibrate the transmission (or not).
 
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I firstly want to mention that I spotted a copy and paste failure in my earlier reply and edited post #2.

If it failed on the Clutch valve calibration step you may be able to obtain additional information by firstly having these Advanced Measuring Values pulled up before starting the Basic Settings:

[*ENG103018-ENG188701*] Current Test Routine
[*ENG107524-ENG104213*] M045_Grd_AbbruchCode - Abbruch Grunde

Additionally, if there were any fault codes in older Auto-Scans they may provide clues about any other issues with this transmission.

In regards to the software level it does look like several flash updates applied over the years:


If you can get it flash updated from SWL 0004 to the latest version 0015 that would be ideal. In that case I would use the test plans in ODIS as well to see if it can calibrate the transmission (or not).
Okay. The point is clear. I'm going to test this and report back when I figure things out.
 

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We finished this today. And it works. :)

1. We updated the controller software. (0004->0015)
2. Use these instructions to adjust the gearbox. The car does not have a start/stop function. The first part of the instructions was skipped.
3. Test drive. No fault codes appeared after the test drive, so the task was completed successfully.

Thanks DANA :thanks:
 
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