Made some bad decisions, lost ABS code on project EOS

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Hello everyone,

Sorry for this very long and chaotic first post :)

I've recently acquired a very cheap VW EOS 2006 2.0 petrol (€ 1500) :D

It was cheap because:
  • From a friend
  • LCD in cluster defect
  • Dirty because of water leakage
  • Roof did not open
  • Small crack in front bumper
  • Previously had a new engine installed (car has 220k, engine something like 60/70k)

What have I done already?
  • Fixed the roof with some <€20 parts
  • Cleaned the interior and unplugged the drainage holes
  • Upgraded the radio with a very modern Discovery Pro unit
  • Removed the IMMO from the ECU (couldn't get the new gen cluster to work otherwise)
  • Installed a newer gen NEC VDO 24C64 cluster with color LCD (corrected the mileage, doesn't complain over the key because it thinks it has keyless entry)
  • Upgraded the CAN gateway to a newer model because the cluster couldn't communicate with the ***** (don't know if it's allowed to mention other diag products) software I used to perform all key lost

Now for the chaotic part:
The car starts and runs fine, only I screwed up at the first moment I got the replacement cluster by just hooking it up and seeing if it works :(
(A few months before, I replaced a cluster to a newer one with lcd in our KIA Sportage, that was just plug and play :), only needed all key lost and mileage correction. So naturally, I thought this would be the same here.. :banghead: )
So now I have the ABS and ESP lights on, I can peform Basic Setting on the sensors, only it will keep throwing the "Control Module Incorrectly Coded" error

The coding is correct "0021218", but when I look at the flash status it shows all zeros. I read that this is because the VIN in the cluster and ECU don't match.

So I think (but want some verification of the experts :thumbs:) that this is my next to do:

-Reflash the cluster so the VIN matches the ECU (possible with my other hardware, I'm fairly certain)
-Relearn the ABS long coding (Havent figuered out how and i'm missing the code, so if you guys could help me i would be really grateful)
-Peform again, the basic setting

And all lights should be off, then I can focus on the correct coding of other parts and maybe lay some extra CAN lines between the cluster and radio (I think these are missing), then some new gen bumpers/lights and a Polo steerring wheel from a 2017 model would make it mint

For info here is the ABS:
Code:
Thursday,31,October,2024,08:57:26:30348
VCDS Version: Release 24.7.0 (x64)
                Address 03: ABS Brakes
Control Module Part Number: 1K0 907 379 AA
  Component and/or Version: ESP FRONT MK60      0102
           Software Coding: 0021218
            Work Shop Code: WSC 00020
                      VCID: 71BE2DBA8CAE7242A0D-8024

Advanced Identification
     Identification: CTA-000
     Revision: 00H13001
     Date: 24.03.06
     Test stand number: 0102
     Manufacturer number: 2496
Flash Status
     Programming Attempts: 0
     Successful Attempts: 0
     Programming Status: 00000000
     Required Conditions: 00000000
     Flash Tool Code: 00000 000 00000
     Flash Date: 00.00.00
Misc.
     Hardware number: 1K0 907 379 AA
VCDS Info:
       VCID: 71BE2DBA8CAE7242A0D-8024
       Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK60-F.clb

Here is the ECU:
Code:
Thursday,31,October,2024,08:59:03:30348
VCDS Version: Release 24.7.0 (x64)
                Address 01: Engine
Control Module Part Number: 06F 906 056 GA
  Component and/or Version: MED9.5.10       G00 9148
           Software Coding: 0000072
            Work Shop Code: WSC 98765
                      VCID: 6E8436C69C906DBABDF-803A

Advanced Identification
     Serial number: VWX7Z0F23NE8QC
     Identification: BPG-810
     Revision: --H03---
     Date: 18.03.06
     Test stand number: 1849
     Manufacturer number: 0509
Flash Status
     Programming Attempts: 3
     Successful Attempts: 1
     Programming Status: 00000000
     Required Conditions: 00000001
Software
     P0000
     A00.000
Misc.
     Hardware number: Hardware No
Car Info
     Chassis Number: WVWZZZ1FZ6V006051       (Same as chasis)
VCDS Info:
       VCID: 6E8436C69C906DBABDF-803A
       Labels: Redir Fail!
       Readiness: No script available

Here is the Cluster:
Code:
Thursday,31,October,2024,08:58:32:30348
VCDS Version: Release 24.7.0 (x64)
                Address 17: Instruments
Control Module Part Number: 1Q0 920 885
  Component and/or Version: KOMBI         H03 0206
           Software Coding: 071B01
            Work Shop Code: WSC 00020
                      VCID: 72BC22B68428495A597-8026

Advanced Identification/FAZIT
     Serial number: 00000000000000
     Identification: VD1-048
     Date: 15.11.10
     Manufacturer number: 7393
     Test stand number: 2725
Flash Status
     Programming Attempts(application): 0/0/0/0/0/0/0/0/0/0
     Successful Attempts(application): 0/0/0/0/0/0/0/0/0/0
     Programming Status: 00000000
     Flash Date: 00.00.00
Software
     BAP: 01.04.01
     OSEK-OS: 03.14.00
     HiSpd Net: 01.12.01
Misc.
     Hardware number: 1Q0 920 885
     Workshop System Name: J285
     Equipment/PR Code: 2D2D2D2D2D2D2D2D
     Dataset Number: -----------
     Dataset Version: ----
     End of Line Equipment Level: ------------------
     ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09
     ASAM Dataset Revision: A04089
Car Info
     Chassis Number: WVWFW7AHXCV006093
VCDS Info:
       VCID: 72BC22B68428495A597-8026
       Labels: 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
       ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_VW32.rod

Here is the all important autoscan:
Code:
Thursday,31,October,2024,08:56:38:30348
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 24.7.0.0 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4643.4
Data version: 20240715 DS356.3
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VIN: WVWZZZ1FZ6V006051   License Plate:


Chassis Type: 1F-VW36 (7N0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 0F 15 16 17 19 25 26 37 42 44 46 52 56 62 72 76
          77

VIN: WVWZZZ1FZ6V006051   Mileage: 211790km-131600miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
0F-Digital Radio -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: Malfunction 0010
17-Instruments -- Status: Malfunction 0010
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
26-Auto Roof -- Status: OK 0000
37-Navigation -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: Malfunction 0010
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
61-Battery Regul. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
76-Park Assist -- Status: OK 0000
77-Telephone -- Status: OK 0000
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine        Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No SW: 06F 906 056 GA    HW: Hardware No
   Component: MED9.5.10       G00 9148 
   Revision: --H03---    Serial number: VWX7Z0F23NE8QC
   Coding: 0000072
   Shop #: WSC 98765 666 39431
   VCID: 6E8436C69C906DBABDF-803A
   VINID: 9E69EAAAA056A86980006005045F232C21

No fault code found.
Readiness: 1000 0000

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK60-F.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 AA    HW: 1K0 907 379 AA
   Component: ESP FRONT MK60      0102 
   Revision: 00H13001   
   Coding: 0021218
   Shop #: WSC 00020 000 00000
   VCID: 71BE2DBA8DAE7242A0D-8024

3 Faults Found:
01487 - System Function Test
            000 - - - Intermittent
01486 - System Function Test Activated
            000 - -
01044 - Control Module Incorrectly Coded
            008 - Implausible Signal

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 1K0-907-044.lbl
   Part No SW: 1Q0 907 044 A    HW: 1Q0 907 044 A
   Component: ClimatronicPQ35 093 0101 
   Revision: 00093002    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 2B02FFD26F025892DA1-807E

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels:. 3C0-937-049-23-H.lbl
   Part No SW: 3C0 937 049 Q    HW: 3C0 937 049 Q
   Component: Bordnetz-SG     H46 1501 
   Revision: 00H46000    Serial number: 00000005471580
   Coding: 8D8C8F07000415000A0A00000F00000000195D035C0000
   Shop #: WSC 00020 123 12345
   VCID: 372AD3A2A34AEC72AE9-8062

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K1 955 119 C  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer VW350  013  0402 
   Coding: 00063445
   Shop #: WSC 00020 

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 0F: Digital Radio
Cannot be reached

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 1Q0-959-655.lbl
   Part No SW: 1Q0 959 655 A    HW: 1Q0 959 655 A
   Component: 34 Airbag VW8C      0180 
   Revision: 92009018    Serial number: 003B30005YER 
   Coding: 0013108
   Shop #: WSC 00020 000 00000
   VCID: 3A2CCA969058F11A517-806E

   Subsystem 1 - Serial number: 6332SRB403014EA3X

   Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6342SRB403014DB5-

   Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 637  RB4        8

   Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 638  RB4        9

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 AF    HW: 1K0 953 549 AF
   Component: Lenksäulenmodul 634 0070 
   Coding: 0000041
   Shop #: WSC 00020 000 00000
   VCID: 76B41EA6E4C0557A75F-8022

1 Fault Found:
00883 - Ignition Switch (D) Terminal S
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
   Part No SW: 1Q0 920 885     HW: 1Q0 920 885
   Component: KOMBI         H03 0206 
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 071B01
   Shop #: WSC 00020 999 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04089
   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_VW32.rod
   VCID: 72BC22B68428495A597-8026

2 Faults Found:
10485825 - Internal Control Module Memory Check Sum Error
          B2000 41 [10001001] - General Checksum Failure
          [Steuergerät defekt (EEPROM-Bereich Gesamtwegstrecke)]
          MIL ON - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1

13634048 - Function Restricted due to Missing Message(s)
          U1111 00 [00001001] - -
          [Steuergerät für Zugang- und Startberechtigung: keine Kommunikation]
          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 176
                    Mileage: 211766 km
                    Date: 2024.10.30.
                    Time: 21:38:25


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 7N0-907-530-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 7N0 907 530 J    HW: 1K0 907 951
   Component: J533  Gateway H43 1620 
   Revision:   H43       Serial number: 190811F2001948
   Coding: 355000
   Shop #: WSC 01236 758 00200
   VCID: 372AD3A2AF4AEC72AE9-8062

1 Fault Found:
02649 - Digital Radio Tuner
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 176
                    Mileage: 211766 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2052.14.05
                    Time: 21:38:28


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 5K0 953 234
   Component: IMMO          H03 0206 
   Serial number:               
   Coding: 000001
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03008
   ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09_VW23.rod
   VCID: 6A8C3AD6ACF8819AE17-803E

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 26: Auto Roof        Labels: 1Q0-959-255.clb
   Part No SW: 1Q0 959 255 C    HW: 1Q0 959 255 C
   Component: Verdecksteuergeraet 0720 
   Revision: 0032000L    Serial number: 072330924     
   Coding: 0655362
   Shop #: WSC 00020 790 00000
   VCID: 3828D09EAE54E30AA73-806C

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 37: Navigation
Cannot be reached

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 1K0-959-701-MAX2.lbl
   Part No: 1Q0 959 701 B
   Component: Tuer-SG         023 2721 
   Coding: 0000181
   Shop #: WSC 00020 000 00000
   VCID: 3332E7B2B7320052921-8066

1 Fault Found:
01331 - Door Control Module; Driver Side (J386)
            014 - Defective

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1Kx-909-144-G2V2.clb
   Part No: 1K1 909 144 K
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.5   D06 1701 
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 3332E7B2B7320052921-8066

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels:. 1K0-959-433-MAX.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 BT    HW: 1K0 959 433 BT
   Component:    KSG PQ35 G2  020 0202 
   Revision: 00020000    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 98908A000186487F6D04850570084EC6F0BC80
   Shop #: WSC 00020 123 12345
   VCID: 03527772A71270D2421-8056

   Subsystem 1 - Component:   Sounder No Answer     

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 907 719 C
   Component: Neigungssensor  005 0003

   Subsystem 3 - Part No: 1Q0 951 177 A
   Component: Innenraumueberw.158 0502

1 Fault Found:
01134 - Alarm Horn (H12)
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 4
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 176
                    Mileage: 211770 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2024.10.30.
                    Time: 22:00:21


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 1K0-959-702-MAX2.lbl
   Part No: 1Q0 959 702 B
   Component: Tuer-SG         023 2721 
   Coding: 0000180
   Shop #: WSC 00020 000 00000
   VCID: 3430E4AEB23C076A8BB-8060

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 56: Radio
Cannot be reached

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 62: Door, Rear Left        Labels: 1K0-959-703-GEN2.lbl
   Part No: 1Q0 959 703
   Component: Tuer-SG         020 2704 
   Coding: 0000128
   Shop #: WSC 00020 000 00000
   VCID: 73B227B2F7B24052521-8026

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 72: Door, Rear Right        Labels: 1K0-959-704-GEN2.lbl
   Part No: 1Q0 959 704
   Component: Tuer-SG         020 2704 
   Coding: 0000128
   Shop #: WSC 00020 000 00000
   VCID: 74B024AEF2BC476A4BB-8020

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 76: Park Assist        Labels: 1K0-919-283.lbl
   Part No: 1Q0 919 283
   Component: 30 Einparkhilfe     0702 
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 72BC22B688A8495A597-8026

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 77: Telephone
Cannot be reached

End----------(Elapsed Time: 01:16, VBatt start/end: 14.0V/14.0V)-----------

Note: I used my boss his vcds cable, i always work with him on his car projects, hope it's not a problem otherwise i should ask for his account :o
 
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Very nice first post!

Here is the ECU: Chassis Number: WVWZZZ1FZ6V006051
2006 Eos.

Here is the Cluster: Chassis Number: WVWFW7AHXCV006093
2012 Eos.

Now an MK60 doesn't have VIN-specific coding, but I wonder of it, like the Gateway, might not be compatible with the much newer, UDS cluster you have in this car?

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Hello Uwe, thanks for the response

So the problem doesn’t lay in the ABS unit but probably in compatibility of the old pump and the modern cluster, I believe that’s a good conclusion only where does the ABS unit get the fault code “Control Module Incorrectly Coded” from? When I delete the codes it wants to perform a ESP learn and the cluster responds to that with flashing the ESP light. Only when i make the test drive it doesn’t respond to the brake pressure above 35 bar light flash, and it times out returning the same error code of incorrectly coded

Maybe the best solution would be to get the modern version of the ABS unit

Greetings,
Lex
 
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I believe that’s a good conclusion
It's not a conclusion; it's speculation on my part.

Maybe the best solution would be to get the modern version of the ABS unit
Converting an MK60 ABS system to a more modern MK60EC1 can be done, but is not trivial. IMO, a path of less resistance would be to put a vintage-appropriate cluster in this car.

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I'm this far in the rabbit hole, now is not the time to give up, i have time and patience (most importantly, multiple forms of transportation) :popcorn:
Also it's a fun learning experience. I'm no mechanic but have exchanged multiple gearboxes and even head gaskets on the street with no form of car lift, my work field is repairing industrial electronics

When i go back from the coding "0021218" acording to this:
Code:
Model:
  +0000000 = Audi A3 (8P) / Seat Leon (1P) / VW Golf/Jetta (1K) / Skoda Octavia (1Z)
  +0000064 = VW Touran (1T)
  +0000080 = VW Caddy (2K)
     +0000096 = VW Eos (1F)
  +0000112 = Seat Altea/Toledo (5P) / VW Golf Plus (5M)
Frontbrakes (Sensor Cluster OLD):
  +0000005 = FS III 54 15" (PR-1ZF/1ZM/1ZC)
  +0000006 = FN III 54 15"/16" (PR-1ZE/1LJ/1ZP/1ZD/1LL)
  +0000009 = FRNG 57 17" (PR-1LK)
Frontbrakes (Sensor Cluster NEW):
  +0000001 = FS III 54 15" (PR-1ZF/1ZM/1ZC)
     +0000002 = FN III 54 15"/16" (PR-1ZE/1LJ/1ZP/1ZD/1LL)
  +0000008 = FRNG 57 17" (PR-1LK)
Suspension:
     +0000640 = Standard/Sport Suspension (PR-2UA/2UC OR PR-UA0/UA1/UA9)
  +0001152 = Rough Road/Comfort Suspension (PR-2UB/2UD OR PR-UA2)
Engine:
  +0002048 = 1.4l / 1.6l & 1.6l FSI
     +0004096 = 1.9l TDI PD / 2.0l FSI / 2.0l SDI PD & All with Automatic Transmission
  +0006144 = 2.0l TDI PD
Tire Pressure Monitoring (TPMS):
  +0000000 = with ABS based Tire Pressure Monitoring (PR-7K1/7K6)
     +0016384 = without ABS based Tire Pressure Monitoring (PR-7K0/7K4/7K8)

I notice 2 strange things, the car in my understanding has no TPMS so I assume it would use ABS based Tire Pressure Monitoring, and the "Frontbrakes (Sensor Cluster NEW)" is also strange, it came with an old cluster?
Now i'm second guessing myself if I didn't remember the lights or changing the code when working on the cluster
 
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the car in my understanding has no TPMS so I assume it would use ABS based Tire Pressure Monitoring,
What makes you think it uses any at all? No means no. I believe it was possible to enable it on those MK60 ABS modules, but the detection capabilities didn't meet the regulatory standards for TPMS in most markets.

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Good question, it was an assumption. I found the sticker with PR codes

IMG-8060.jpg


So it has the FN III brakes and now i’m stuck because I can’t find any codes for the suspension and TPMS

Does that mean I was wrong to add the 640 for standard suspension?

Thanks for your efforts Uwe I appreciate it
 
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2 Faults Found:
10485825 - Internal Control Module Memory Check Sum Error
B2000 41 [10001001] - General Checksum Failure
[Steuergerät defekt (EEPROM-Bereich Gesamtwegstrecke)]
MIL ON - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1

Eeprom file in the cluster is scrued maybe because you tried to correct the mileage it cheap tool!
Your ABS pump is fine and yes...correct the VIn and the rest of the immo data in the cluster and your problem is solved!
 
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Definitely not cheap way more than a legitimate hex net, but then again i wont make adds for other hardware/software here. I thought the first version of the MK60 wasn't vin specific? So does the first gen ABS unit check the cluster and ECU for IMMO mismatch but not on itself because it doesn’t have any vin info stored in the unit itself?

Ill make some time this weekend to redo the programing of the cluster if i can find some blank id48 chips, and assure the correct vin is applied

Thanks for your thoughts
 
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Ill make some time this weekend to redo the programing of the cluster if i can find some blank id48 chips, and assure the correct vin is applied

Thanks for your thoughts
Alibaba is your friend ;). I bought a bag with 10 of the older style which is not the flimsy glass vials.
 
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I'm short on words but:

EEPROM and Immo on these clusters is so reverse-engineered by now, it's so boring to even look at these. :)
ABS sometimes loses it's calibration when different VIN is seen on CanBUS. Luckily this ABS unit does support newer cluster.
Just do the basic settings.

You do need brand new id48-s though as the Megamos algorithm used to generate the bytes for older cluster ID48 won't allow You do reuse old transponders as the last pages are always different due to different TPID.
 
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I'm short on words but:

EEPROM and Immo on these clusters is so reverse-engineered by now, it's so boring to even look at these. :)
ABS sometimes loses it's calibration when different VIN is seen on CanBUS. Luckily this ABS unit does support newer cluster.
Just do the basic settings.

You do need brand new id48-s though as the Megamos algorithm used to generate the bytes for older cluster ID48 won't allow You do reuse old transponders as the last pages are always different due to different TPID.
I did the basic settings but keep getting the
Code:
01044 - Control Module Incorrectly Coded
            008 - Implausible Signal
 
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I did the basic settings but keep getting the
Code:
01044 - Control Module Incorrectly Coded
            008 - Implausible Signal
Have You changed the VIN in cluster?
 
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Just did and now it works like a charm :thumbs:

I find it strange however that the unit itself doesn’t contain any vin info but checks for mismatch between the ecu and cluster. But for now i’m very happy thanks everyone for te help
 
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