Resolved VCDS not connecting to car (has previously without any issues!)

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Also, if you can get to the back of the socket, try pushing it towards the VCDS interface as it's plugged in in case it's pushing away slightly. I've just had a customer on the phone with a 2019 Caddy where that happened.

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Derek, you were spot on with your experience, it was a loose connection at the rear of the socket preventing me from reading the car.

Finally managed to get back onto the controllers and have done a couple of checks though all the current settings and found that the U111200 code being thrown up is a result of only having the cruise control enabled in the 01 engine controller and not also in the 09 central electronics controller.
I uncoded the cruise in 01 controller and all faults disappeared, so definitely pointing to something adrift with the cruise installation.
I have subsequently recoded cruise but this time enabling in both 01 and 09 controllers and I now have the following fault appear

Code:
Address 01: Engine (J623-CBZA)       Labels:. 03F-906-070-CBZ.clb
   Part No SW: 03F 906 070 HH    HW: 03F 907 309 AK
   Component: SIMOS10.22AH10 4040 
   Revision: --H10---    Serial number:                CVN: 98BA8AEF
   Coding: 00110056202400080000
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 61029
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM12TFS02103F906070HH 004006
   ROD: EV_ECM12TFS021_SK25.rod
   VCID: 6FBBC14F2712EB12B61-803A
   VINID: 91D49674215A0150C00081021063FF0F36

1 Fault Found:
6118 - Cruise Control Switch (E45)
          P0568 00 [00100101] - Implausible Signal
          Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Mileage: 93253 km
                    Date: 2024.11.29.
                    Time: 01:27:02

                    Engine RPM: 0.00 /min
                    Normed load value: 0.0 %
                    Vehicle speed: 0 km/h
                    Coolant temperature: 33 °C
                    Intake air temperature: 21 °C
                    Ambient air pressure: 1000 mbar
                    Voltage terminal 30: 11.882 V
                    Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
                    Time since engine start: 0.0 s
                    Engine torque: 0.00000 Nm
                    Accelerator pedal travel-Accelerator position: 0.00 %
                    Ignition angle of current cylinder: actual value-Ignition angle: actual: 7.500 °

Readiness: 0110 0101


Doing a few more web searches against the new error code P0568, I've come across a link to another VCDS page detailing the possible causes of P0568 as below

16952/P0568/001384​


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Contents​

16952/P0568/001384 - Cruise Control Switch (E45): Implausible Signal​

Possible Symptoms​

  • Cruise Control not working

Possible Causes​

  • Signal Wire from Steering Column Control Module (J527) OR Central Electronics Control Module (J519) to Engine Control Module faulty
  • Steering Column Control Module (J527) Coding faulty
  • Cruise Control Switch (E45) faulty

Possible Solutions​

  • Check Signal Wire from Steering Column Control Module (J527) OR Central Electronics Control Module (J519) to Engine Control Module
  • Check Steering Column Control Module (J527) Coding
  • Check Cruise Control Switch (E45)

Special Notes​

  • In most recent Models the Cruise Control is part of the Steering Column Control Module (J527) while in earlier ones it is Part of the Central Electronics Control Module (J519). Very early ones run the Wiring directly from the Stalk/Switch to the Engine Control Module. If in doubt, check the Wiring Diagram for Details.
  • When retrofitting Cruise Control, the Signal Wire from the Steering Column Control Module (J527) OR Central Electronics Control Module (J519) to the Engine Control Module is often not being added.


Can I please sense check the final statement I've highlighted above?
I've added control wires into the BCM T73B plug and the ECU T94 plug at pin 45 - does the statement above require signal wires to both??
Something I noticed whilst scanning the car last night was that VCDS sees the car as a 2014 model variant, something PetrolDave eluded to earlier in the thread

Have you checked the model year of your Fabia?, yes I know it's a 13 plate but it could be a 14 model year - check the model year letter in the VIN.

Seems you've been using VCDS, OBDeleven and Carista so it's going to be harder to untangle what's happening I reckon.
I think "E" is a 2014 VIN: TMBFM25J0E3008424


If the car is a 2014 variant, does this have a consequence on the loom configuration required for the cruise to work correctly?
 
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I think "E" is a 2014 VIN: TMBFM25J0E3008424
Correct. It's a 2014 model-year car. They typically start producing those in mid-summer of the prior year and start selling them by late summer or early autumn.

If the car is a 2014 variant, does this have a consequence on the loom configuration required for the cruise to work correctly?
Hmm. The instructions you have in post #1 claim to be for 2010-2014, so I would think not, but then I've never worked on a Fabia -- we don't get them on this side of the pond.

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Glad you got the comms back.

I don't know enough about this retrofit to help much, but it's worth looking at the live data in the central electrics and engine module to check the switch status is being seen

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So, spent another 5 hrs doing cross check after cross check yesterday evening.
Have checked cable continuity end to end of the new loom, and all are good, I've run live data on the engine module, and this confirms the stalk switch position is recorded accurately in the on or off positions respectively.

A copy of the live data log is attached below.
I made a point of switching the CCS switch from on to off and back again to get this recorded plus any effect it may have on other sensors.
There may be some information captured here that indicates some anomaly?


Sunday01December
2024​
14:57:02:65142-VCID:6FBBC14F2712EB12B61-803AVCDS Version: Release 24.7.1 (x64)Data version: 20240919 DS356.3
03F 906 070 HHADVMBSIMOS10.22AH10 4040
G046F0G047F0G325F0G408F0G410F0G411F0G412
MarkerTIMELoc. IDE00355-ENG103498TIMELoc. IDE00356-ENG102284TIMELoc. IDE04709-ENG101874TIMELoc. ENG103793TIMELoc. ENG102021TIMELoc. ENG100798TIMELoc. ENG99361
STAMPCruise Control System (CCS): status-Binary 8 BitSTAMPCruise Control System (CCS): switch position-CRU_SWI_POS_CANSTAMPStatus of ACC/CCS acceleration interface-STATE_CRU_ACSTAMPCause of irreversible disable (CCS)STAMPCause of reversible disable (CCS)STAMPCCS shut-off criterion: switch positionSTAMPCCS shut-off criterion: switch position
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Is the cruise control in coding byte 05 or 06 in the engine controller on this?
I have two different sources of data here so I want to check which yours has

If it's byte 05, is right hand drive also ticked?

Best regards
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Is the cruise control in coding byte 05 or 06 in the engine controller on this?
Should be Byte 5.

And no, RHD is not ticked.

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Thanks for the further input, I've managed to pull some additional information from the controllers tonight.
I've done a general trawl of every bit range of each controller, looking for any reference to Cruise Control or RHD - the results are the first 4 snippets below
I've also done a few logs in Advanced Measurement Mode, details of which are the last 3 snippets and graph below - but as a confirmation (if the comments on the graph don't make sense), I get an operational signal from all of the column stalk switches, i.e. ON/OFF rocker, as well as the SET / CANCEL push buttons on the end of the stalk



Scan Info snipped 02/12/24




01 Engine controller Bit 5 values
cX2LBC7.jpeg



09 Central Electronics controller No 1 - Bit 17 Values
5wo08HL.jpeg



09 Central Electronics controller No 2 - Bit 0 Values
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19 Can Gateway controller - Bit 1 Values
iTGPItW.jpeg




01 Engine controller Advanced Measuring Values for Cruise Control Functions
8XXQYO4.jpeg




09 Central Electronics controller Advanced Measuring Values for Cruise Control Functions No 1

1XYqZDr.jpeg



09 Central Electronics controller Advanced Measuring Values for Cruise Control Functions No 2

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Graphic log of 01 Engine controller readings of columns stalk switch movements

bT2FX5o.jpeg


Thanks again for all the input thus far, just hope something above proves to be worthwhile
 
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Perfect!

It may have no influence, but I'd set right hand drive in the engine controller

Best regards
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PS. @Uwe Thanks Uwe, I'll PM you the data that made me wonder if it was byte 06 so I know for the future
 
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Thanks for the advice Derek.

Have tried to set RHD in the engine controller and get the following rejection from VCDS
kaXdVIw.jpeg


I've also unticked the RHD command within both the 09 Central Electronics module and 19 Can Gateway, but this setting results in an error code 00944 databus implausible in the 03 ABS module, with the traction control system disabled, needless to say I've returned the settings in 09 & 019 to original and have got rid of the 00944 error now.

I know this is now well past the initial aspect of the thread (VCDS not connecting), but all of this is about trying to code a cruise system, which I'm now running round in circles with!
Just as another sense check, which has been suggested via another forum, could all of my issues stem from the clockspring?
I've not changed this on this car (as I was advised by the supplier of the additional loom that the current clockspring would suffice), but I've got to check all possibilities as the results of the switch tests in advance measurement of the 01 Engine module suggest all the electrical and cabled aspects of the install are all being seen correctly by the engine control module, so is there something basic like the clockspring that I've overlooked?
 
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This is puzzling, it's so near and yet...

As the engine took the coding change for cruise control, I don't see why it shouldn't accept the RHD change. Some modules don't like the coding changed if the key has been on for too long, it may be worth trying again just after ignition on (engine not running)

That said, I looked at another scan for a UK based Skoda and that was set to LHD as well so maybe it's ignored in these and not relevant to this problem. I wish I knew more about this retro-fit as you're so close now. Hopefully one of the other members can help

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Try and double check that the pin in Engine connector is okay.
 
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Try and double check that the pin in Engine connector is okay.

Not entirely sure how I can check this? If I were to remove it, what be be the outcome in VCDS, as I could use this as a tell tale to determine if I have good / bad connections?
 
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It could be worth pulling that wire and seeing if the live data in the engine controller stops changing in response to cruise control switch position. Then you'd know for sure if that part of it was correct

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Just for my understanding, if VCDS is recording live data information from the column switch when being accessed via the 01 engine control module, are these results confirmation that everything is wired correctly and all connections are good?
I have run the same tests when logged into the 09 Central Electronics module and again get responses from the column stalk that all switch movements are being received by that controller.
I have had the steering wheel off again at the weekend to get the info of the clock spring just as another level of checking (may or may not be relevant) - details are in photos below

tRWqmlD.jpeg



If anyone has any other ideas I'm open to investigate anything to get this resolved
 
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Just for my understanding, if VCDS is recording live data information from the column switch when being accessed via the 01 engine control module, are these results confirmation that everything is wired correctly and all connections are good?

I'd have thought so yes, it seems like you've done everything you need to but it might be time to rule out things that seem correct just in case. If that wire is easy to remove, I'd do that just to prove it was OK

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Hi there, time for an update to say I've finally got the cruise control working on the Skoda!
It transpires that the engine ECU still acknowledges the column switch movements even though the signal cable is not connected into the ECU!
It turns out that the signal wire connecting into the rear of the ECU module wasn't inserting deep enough into the T94 plug all along, this being caused by a small remnant of the original plastic pin plug remaining deep inside the T94 plug even though I could pass a thin gauge needle right through the T94 plug!
This discovery came following cutting the new signal cable below the plug and adding crimp connectors to allow me to leave all of the ECU connected and just disconnect the signal wire and then run the measurement tests again on the engine ECU module, which didn't change even though there was now a clear break in the cabling.
Upon finding this, I marked up an adjacent cable in the plug with a permanent marker and pulled this original cable end from the T94 plug to determine the embedment depth this cable achieved in the plug, and then did the same with the new signal cable.
This comparison showed that the original cable was 29mm into the plug, and the new signal cable only achieved 25mm!
Working from the side the cable enters, and using a 2mm dia twist / jobber drill I cleared out the aperture within the T94 with the drill exiting through the front of the plug, together with a thin sliver of plastic moulding being ejected as I did so.
Immediately the signal wire dropped into the pin aperture to the required 29mm depth and locked in positively.
I assembled the plugs back onto the ECU and connected the crimps and finally got no errors being thrown when toggling the column switch.

A massive thanks to all who have provided guidance in the process, your wisdom and knowledge has been invaluable in me getting to the root cause of the issue.
 
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Nice work getting the bottom of this and especially for your detective work on the connector depth, I guess the ECM uses CAN and the wire as a cross check for the cruise commands.

all the best
Derek
 
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