Requirements for output test not met

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Hey Guys,
What does this mean?
"Requirements for output test not met"
(How do I paste a screen cap into this message?)
 
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Uwe,
Thanks for the question.
I see you saw in my screen-cap that it was "engine, output tests".
I have no idea how many ways one can get to that set of tests.
I don't recall which buttons I pressed to get there.
Thing is, I was merely attempting to access bi-directional controls to see if I could test the Aux Air Pump & Solenoid Valve.
That's what I would do on a Benz with Xentry, no biggie, 5 minutes and 'I'm in'.
But this system is like a g.d. puzzle.
Anyway, I decided to skip using the software and just do simple power&ground tests on the 2 components.
I managed to find some pdf's of FSM's on a Ruskie web site.
That's what took me the most time (6 hours of searching).
Once I knew the proper wires, it took me about 10 minutes to do the tests.
OEM FOR-PAY ACCESS TO SECRET INFO IS EXTORTION.
At this point, it doesn't matter for this job, b/c I fixed the guy's car.
The way I fixed it was replaced the PCV valve & valve cover gasket, replaced the aux air solenoid valve w/a new one (it was bad from salt corrosion), cleaned the MAP sensor, totally cleaned the intake of the gigantic puddle of oil that was sitting in it, and replaced the aux air sensor hose & sensor w/the upgraded one (that the g.d. stealership SHOULD'VE done way back years ago when he brought it in for service). Finally, that VW dog-sh*t PCV design forced me to make a 'catch-can' to redirect all that excess oil into a separate container so only clean-dry vacuum air can enter the intake manifold (so as not to contaminate the MAP sensor AGAIN).
I still would like to know how to access those bi-directional engine controls.
And 'yes', I did read the Help.
That's how I knew how to access (or TRY TO access) those bi-directional controls.
I just figured there was some general list of possibilities on why that message would appear.
My GUESS is that the software won't allow access to the components to do those tests UNLESS everything is working right.
If that's true, then that system needs to be trashed and replaced by one that enables the tech (me) to do those tests when the vehicle is BROKE.
Isn't that the whole purpose of using DIAGNOSTICS software?
Cheers..
 
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My GUESS is that the software won't allow access to the components to do those tests UNLESS everything is working right.
The software in the ECU, perhaps. But VCDS certainly isn't prohibiting that access. We (Ross-Tech) have no influence or control over the circumstances that the ECU allows or prohibits things. All VCDS can do is request that the ECU does a test (or a sequence of tests). If the ECU refuses for some reason, all we can do is report the reason.

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I have no idea how many ways one can get to that set of tests.
I don't recall which buttons I pressed to get there.
Just some friendly advice to a member, I wouldn't go "clicking around" the software as you may click the wrong tab (or misinterpret a statement) and have to pay a visit to the dealer (no choice) ; plenty here ,usually non members, have ended up doing a non-reversible request (click).

I would review the Interactive Manual , peruse the Index, and have a sequence of steps planned ; if unsure, ask before you "click".

https://www.ross-tech.com/vcds/tour/main_screen.php
 
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Thing is, I was merely attempting to access bi-directional controls to see if I could test the Aux Air Pump & Solenoid Valve.
That's what I would do on a Benz with Xentry, no biggie, 5 minutes and 'I'm in'.
I see your point clearly there with Xentry - it will guide you better.

But then ODIS is pretty shit at this, I guess VCDS can only work with what is in the car ???
 
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The software in the ECU, perhaps. But VCDS certainly isn't prohibiting that access. We (Ross-Tech) have no influence or control over the circumstances that the ECU allows or prohibits things. All VCDS can do is request that the ECU does a test (or a sequence of tests). If the ECU refuses for some reason, all we can do is report the reason.

-Uwe-
@Uwe & @Dr Sheldon,
Thanks for that verification.
Maybe I should have more clearly stated what I meant: Maybe I should have said that the diagnostic software couldn't access the bi-directional controls b/c the STUPID VW control module was somehow broken in a way that was impossible to connect to.
Anyway, since I fixed it, I didn't see any reason to try that bi-directional test.
Honestly, if it wasn't for VCDS, I would not have had a CLUE where to begin looking.
So, I'm very grateful to have had this software to use to work-out the problem w/this guy's car.

@stefdds,
Thanks for the link (I saved it this time in my 'Favorites'!).
Right, that's what I did before accessing those controls.
Right, you can f-up things real quick if you don't know what you're doing.
But I think I know better by now, after all these years working on computerized vehicles.
I made that mistake ONCE on a Honda...and ouuu bouy!
 
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Maybe I should have said that the diagnostic software couldn't access the bi-directional controls b/c the STUPID VW control module was somehow broken in a way that was impossible to connect to.
It is not you

I do not VAG so see all things sold in Europe

VAG are one of the awkward ones when it comes to Output tests !! Regardless of the Scan tool - Same with Bosch, Snap On, Launch
 
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It is not you

I do not VAG so see all things sold in Europe

VAG are one of the awkward ones when it comes to Output tests !! Regardless of the Scan tool - Same with Bosch, Snap On, Launch

Thanks for the affirmation.

I do not specialize in anything.
Whatever comes my way, I fix it, and I fix it RIGHT.
I used to be a VW man...back in the 70's thru 80's.
But when I saw VW 'OEM' over-the-counter at the stealership parts coming from sh*t sources, that was my cue to 'bail' on VW.
But VW owners sure luv their rides, so I fix them when they bring them to me.

Incidentally, I bought a scope from Rotkee (it's Russian/Ukrainian).
But for the life of me, I still can't figure out how to make it work like a Pico!
Who can afford a $6k Pico?
Any of you ever use a Rotkee with MTpro4?
They make some of the best test leads I've ever used.
 
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But for the life of me, I still can't figure out how to make it work like a Pico!
You wont - It is the software not just the hardware !!

I use a Pico - it is ideal !!
 
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Thanks for the affirmation.

I do not specialize in anything.
Whatever comes my way, I fix it, and I fix it RIGHT.
I used to be a VW man...back in the 70's thru 80's.
But when I saw VW 'OEM' over-the-counter at the stealership parts coming from sh*t sources, that was my cue to 'bail' on VW.
But VW owners sure luv their rides, so I fix them when they bring the to me.

Incidentally, I bought a scope from Rotkee (it's Ukrainian).
But for the life of me, I still can't figure out how to make it work like a Pico!
Who can afford a $6k Pico?
Any of you every use a Rotkee with MTpro4?
They make some of the best test leads I've ever used.

You wont - It is the software not just the hardware !!

I use a Pico - it is ideal !!
Which Pico?
Floating ground?
How much did you spend on it?
 
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I have the 4823 8 Channel with common Ground, NVH, WPS

I have had money put by for the 4 Channel with Floating grounds for the last 5 years - so far not needed it
 
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I have the 4823 8 Channel with common Ground, NVH, WPS

I have had money put by for the 4 Channel with Floating grounds for the last 5 years - so far not needed it
Yeah, well, you got the good one.
I got the Rotkee b/c I needed 8 channels and could afford it.
From all my research, it seemed easy to use until I tried using it!
I have 3 different 2 channel scopes, but if you can't get 3 leads, then you can't check cam/crank timing.
8 grand is quite pricey.
For 8 grand, I'd probably get a snapon top of the line all-in-one scanner/scope.
But who has $8k to throw around?!
 
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You would be amazed.
 
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