NAR 2.5L Engine & Gasoline Banter

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we never got the 2.5 :cry:
The 2.5 was a very reliable, troquey engine, but it was not at all thrifty on fuel. That wasn't a huge problem with NAR fuel prices, but would not have gone over well on your side of the pond, where fuel prices have averaged roughly double ours, primarily due to excessive taxation. My son Mike's first car was a 2007 Golf with the 2.5. Great car to learn to drive a manual trans on. The 150 hp was entirely adequate, not so fast as to get a young man with a fresh license into too much trouble.

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How much is a US gallon of Super Plus (99RON here so 91MON, 95PON) in the USA these days?
 
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How much is a US gallon of Super Plus (99RON here so 91MON, 95PON) in the USA these days?
It is somewhat dependent on where you are in the US because we have a Federal tax of 18.4 cents a gallon, and individual states have their own taxes ranging from about 9 cents to about 58 cents per gallon. We use R+M/2 as the octane number (which I suppose is your PON number) and on the east coast, "premium" is 93 octane, whilst on the west coast, it's 91. It's difficult to find anything higher anywhere. In states with reasonable taxes (25-30 cents), 93 octane "premium" tends to run about $4/gallon, with 87 octane "regular" closer to $3. That is of course a US gallon (3.78 liters), not an imperial gallon (4.55 liters). Most cars, even current "pedestrian" VWs with turbos are calibrated to be able to run on "regular" fuel. Currently, only the GTI, R, and fancy Audis actually require premium.

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Is there Shell V Racing or something like Aral 102 at any of the stations, at all?
 
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Is there Shell V Racing or something like Aral 102 at any of the stations, at all?
At a race track, sure. At regular gas stations, no. Sunoco offers 94 octane (R+M/2) at some of its stations.

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We get 99 Ron at Tesco not sure where else - I think they call it momentum 99?

Around £1. 35 > £1.50 per litre
 
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In Serbia, there is NIS G-drive 100. The price is around 1.9€ per liter.

Normal gasoline is cheaper by about 0.2 - 0.3€ per liter.

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I've split this from the thread it was originally in since it was basically an off-topic digression there, and yes, I'm the one who set it off course.

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I've split this from the thread it was originally in since it was basically an off-topic digression there, and yes, I'm the one who set it off course.

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We hardly ever go off-topic :D I actually can't cope with forums that don't... Which is weird, with my pedanticism and attention to detail.

However, I think it's the "Don't like our shit? Then fuck off" attitude, that appeals to me :thumbs:

So taking this slightly off-topic, back to where the off-topic started: The 2.5 NAR motor - I'd LOVE that thing in the Mrs Touran. OK power, decent torque, none of the bullshit: Direct injection, turbos etc. They all cost shitloads, eventually. I'd rather pay more in fuel and have less potential, stupid expenses. Like my old V8 Land Rover. There just AREN'T big expenses on it... besides fuel.

That Land Rover fuel bill though... real arse reamer :eek:
 
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The 2.5 NAR motor - I'd LOVE that thing in the Mrs Touran.
They were very common here; VW's "bread and butter" motor that replaced the old 8V 2.slow in Mk5 and Mk6 cars. I'd think it would bolt right into a Touran, however the cost of antipodal shipping one would likely be prohibitive?

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The best petrol we can buy routinely is Shell V Power which is ratted at 99RON and the last time I filled up that was £1.60 a litre so that is £7.27 per a UK gallon (which is bigger than the American one, for once :D) which is £6.06 for a US gallon and at current exchange rate is $7.88 per US gallon.
 
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95 RON (our "standard premium") is equal to US$6.32 per US Gallon. (Nationwide reported average).

We have 98 RON too - one place in my town has it, but it's E10... the ONLY Ethanol fuel on any kind here. It's also at a gas station where I fear for my life, wallet, car and sexual health (you could catch ANYTHING off those pumps!).

Out of my town (min 1.5 hours), there is "real" 98 RON, but I only fill up with that occasionally, because the extra torque is creates in the R32ran gives me FOMO, because I can't have it all the time.

We used to have our own refinery here, until a couple of years ago. It's close enough, that if it went off, my windows would have blown out :D We still paid more than other locations though! Now, the ex-refinery just imports pre-made fuel.

A lot of tax is on our fuel. Diesel is cheaper, and has less tax, but you pay a tax based on the kms travelled. They are talking baout that for petrol cars too. I'd like that: Pay less for the fuel, but pay per km. Then cars with higher consumption become, relatively, cheaper to fuel. Handy for familes who need to fit everyone in.
 
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tax based on the kms travelled.
How exactly does the government know how many kms your vehicle has traveled in a given period of time?

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How exactly does the government know how many kms your vehicle has traveled in a given period of time?

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Yearly MOT, Inspection, clocks the milage on the computer database.

I remember if PA State inspection did that as it was written on the inspection sticker.
 
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@NZDubNurd I am building a 95 S2 and 86 Coupe Quattro for a chap to take to NZ, north island I believe and I am a bit concerned about what fuel he will be able to get.
 
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I remember if PA State inspection did that as it was written on the inspection sticker.
It does, but there are plenty of other places in the USA, for example the entire free state of Florida, where there are no inspections required.

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It has always intrigued me that in a society so obsessed with safety, the USA not having a unified country wide annual vehicle inspection system is perplexing. If ever one was introduced my suggestion would not be like the UK (except Northern Ireland) but actually the system used in Northern Ireland where centres are government owned and run, the system in the rest of the UK is way too open to abuse especially where Diesel exhaust emissions are concerned.
 
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It has always intrigued me that in a society so obsessed with safety, the USA not having a unified country wide annual vehicle inspection system is perplexing.
Please bear in mind that drivers licenses and car registrations are all a function of the 50 individual states, and the US Constitution (ostensibly) limits the functions that the federal government is permitted to engage in:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

If ever one was introduced my suggestion would not be like the UK (except Northern Ireland) but actually the system used in Northern Ireland where centres are government owned and run,

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@NZDubNurd I am building a 95 S2 and 86 Coupe Quattro for a chap to take to NZ, north island I believe and I am a bit concerned about what fuel he will be able to get.

We can get up to 100 RON in the central north Island, but 95 is generally available everywhere, plus 91, if you have a shit car :D
 
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How exactly does the government know how many kms your vehicle has traveled in a given period of time?

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We have annual inspections on all cars newer than year 2000, and I think new cars get a 3 year initial time period, before the re-check is due. Cars prior to 2000 are 6 monthly.

Kiwis are total crap at car upkeep, so most of them fail on something minor, bare minimum.
 
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