Really need some help, throttle body and tuning issues!

[Uwe]

Stop Start is where the engine will stop and re start autonomously when the vehicle is stationary at, for example, traffic lights, without the driver having to press a button or turn the key

A 2013 Audi S5 sold in the NAR market doesn't have that stupid "feature". In fact, I can't think of any VAG cars sold in the NAR market that had it until roughly 2017/2018.

-Uwe-

 

[SaVAGeSoot]

I can't think of any VAG cars sold in the NAR market that had it until roughly 2017/2018.

My '14 A6 TDI Technik has it

 

[Dr Sheldon]

stupid "feature".

Beyond Stupid !! Work of the Devil !!

 

[Uwe]

My '14 A6 TDI Technik has it

Really? I find that quite surprising. I wonder if A6 TDIs got it in the US market as well, or of that was a Canada thing?

-Uwe-

 

[SaVAGeSoot]

Really? I find that quite surprising. I wonder if A6 TDIs got it in the US market as well, or of that was a Canada thing?

-Uwe-

True story... I'll send pic next time I drive it.... I just checked the PR codes and it doesn't list is as a thing, so it must be buried in with something like

X9B    LDA    Equipment options subset for Canada

 

[SaVAGeSoot]

From zee owner's manual.... (not really proof of anything... just a visual sample)

 

[EuroX]

Really? I find that quite surprising. I wonder if A6 TDIs got it in the US market as well, or of that was a Canada thing?

-Uwe-

TDI's got it as well.

 

[lakoe]

You really are something special - Very Special !!


These two and any other codes related to the TB will paralyse you from doing a TBA - Stop Talking - That is a Fact - Fix those codes first - Please !!

Different - Stop Start is where the engine will stop and re start autonomously when the vehicle is stationary at, for example, traffic lights, without the driver having to press a button or turn the key !!

I see, it does not have start stop. Those codes only came on after i moved around the wires which makes sense. they come back fast after clearing codes but not instantly like the other 3

 

[lakoe]

I emailed JHM and they sent this back

"Searching our entire database of repair orders dating back 10+years, only 2 cars had a similar issue. One had a complete internal transmission failure, the second, upon inspection, we found the nut that holds the shift linkage to the selector shaft had completely come off. When removing the belly pan, our technician found the nut and reinstalled."

Kinda worries me.. so i emailed back "similar how? based on the codes or something else" just so i know if those 2 cars had the same codes or what.

 

[Dr Sheldon]

I emailed JHM and they sent this back

"Searching our entire database of repair orders dating back 10+years, only 2 cars had a similar issue. One had a complete internal transmission failure, the second, upon inspection, we found the nut that holds the shift linkage to the selector shaft had completely come off. When removing the belly pan, our technician found the nut and reinstalled."

Kinda worries me.. so i emailed back "similar how? based on the codes or something else" just so i know if those 2 cars had the same codes or what.

Unbelievable you are !!

You got to be the only person on the planet chasing Gear Selector Codes for a Bad Idle


Here is an idea - Remove the gearbox, propshaft, gear Selector etc - the whole lot and put it all in a Shed !!

Now go chase the Throttle DTC's - We do not need Gearboxes to have good Idle - Think of an Engine on a boat !! - Very loosely speaking !!

 

[lakoe]

Unbelievable you are !!

You got to be the only person on the planet chasing Gear Selector Codes for a Bad Idle


Here is an idea - Remove the gearbox, propshaft, gear Selector etc - the whole lot and put it all in a Shed !!

Now go chase the Throttle DTC's - We do not need Gearboxes to have good Idle - Think of an Engine on a boat !!

the bad idle is because the TB needs a adaptation i believe, the only reason im chasing the gear selector codes is because they are stopping me from doing a TBA

 

[lakoe]

its not confirmed though, so i can confirm the TB is not moving by starting the car with the inlet pipe off the TB and have someone look to see if it opens when i start/rev the car.

 

[Dr Sheldon]

the bad idle is because the TB needs a adaptation i believe, the only reason im chasing the gear selector codes is because they are stopping me from doing a TBA

No no no

6518 - Throttle Position Sensor (G69) P0123 00 [10101111] - Signal too High MIL ON - Confirmed

6523 - Throttle Actuator (J338) P1565 00 [00100000] - Lower Stop not Reached Intermittent - Not Confirmed

These codes are your Enemy !!!

Kill 6518 first and 6523 will run home to mummy with tail between its legs I recon !!

 

[Dr Sheldon]

I have a Question

It is Manual, it does not have Stop Start then what is the reason for the Neutral and Gear Selector Sensor ?

I'm guessing / asking

Cruise Control ?
Idle /Hill Start Assist ? Anti Stall when pulling off thingy ?? Working in conjunction with Clutch Position Sensor ??

 

[lakoe]

No no no




These codes are your Enemy !!!

Kill 6518 first and 6523 will run home to mummy with tail between its legs I recon !!

Alright.. you dont think a TBA would fix those 2 codes? "Lower Stop not Reached Intermittent" ill look into those codes though

and for the other question, yes manual. no start stop. I have no idea man.. maybe some of these other guys have an idea? but doesnt make much sense for a manual.

 

[Dr Sheldon]

Alright.. you dont think a TBA would fix those 2 codes? "Lower Stop not Reached Intermittent" ill look into those codes though

and for the other question, yes manual. no start stop. I have no idea man.. maybe some of these other guys have an idea? but doesnt make much sense for a manual.

You need to send me vouchers / Crowd fund for me !! - you have driven me to drink my friend - Such a shame as I only gave up on Monday !!!

READ Please !!

When Codes 6518 and 6523 are cleared after the fault that they are pointing to has been repaired - Then and only then will the ECU allow a TBA

and for the other question, yes manual. no start stop. I have no idea man.. maybe some of these other guys have an idea? but doesnt make much sense for a manual.

If you get the answer to that for me - I sincerely promise to fall off my chair with tears, stars and bruises of Joy

 

[SaVAGeSoot]

 

[EuroX]

You know @Dr Sheldon ecm must be free of hard faults to perform a TBA. This is not rocket science but common knowledge. He will need to address all codes. Don't go twisting my words implying that the gear recognition sensor faults will fix everything, simply he will need to address all hard occuring faults before TBA can be performed.

Please have a read:

There are certain test conditions that must be met before doing a TBA:

• No DTC's in the Engine Controller
• Battery voltage at least 11.5 V
• Throttle must be at idling position (keep your foot off the gas pedal)
• Throttle body part must not be dirty (carbonized).
• Coolant temperature must be between 5 and 95C
• If fault codes were cleared cycle the ignition off and back on prior to running Basic Settings.

Throttle Body Alignment (TBA) - Ross-Tech Wiki

wiki.ross-tech.com

 

[EuroX]

I have a Question

It is Manual, it does not have Stop Start then what is the reason for the Neutral and Gear Selector Sensor ?

I'm guessing / asking

Cruise Control ?
Idle /Hill Start Assist ? Anti Stall when pulling off thingy ?? Working in conjunction with Clutch Position Sensor ??

Gear recognition sensor and so on :

For cruise control and fuel economy stragedy it's not rocket science to know this. Where have you been? If you not aware do not assume yet again.

 

[lakoe]

JHM replied "Only one of the codes P0181c. The other codes we have never seen on any car."

You know @Dr Sheldon ecm must be free of hard faults to perform a TBA. This is not rocket science but common knowledge. He will need to address all codes. Don't go twisting my words implying that the gear recognition sensor faults will fix everything, simply he will need to address all hard occuring faults before TBA can be performed.

Please have a read:

There are certain test conditions that must be met before doing a TBA:

• No DTC's in the Engine Controller
• Battery voltage at least 11.5 V
• Throttle must be at idling position (keep your foot off the gas pedal)
• Throttle body part must not be dirty (carbonized).
• Coolant temperature must be between 5 and 95C
• If fault codes were cleared cycle the ignition off and back on prior to running Basic Settings.

Throttle Body Alignment (TBA) - Ross-Tech Wiki

wiki.ross-tech.com

• No DTC's in the Engine Controller BAD
• Battery voltage at least 11.5 V GOOD
• Throttle must be at idling position (keep your foot off the gas pedal) GOOD
• Throttle body part must not be dirty (carbonized). GOOD
• Coolant temperature must be between 5 and 95C GOOD
• If fault codes were cleared cycle the ignition off and back on prior to running Basic Settings. TRIED

gotta be the DTC's and thanks for saying that, only reason im more worried about the gear sensor codes is because they have been on the car throughout all wiring and all tunes and since i got the car. the other 2 are new and ive been doing a lot of rewiring so im not surprised 2 new codes popped up as the wiring is different than how APR sent the harness.