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Is there a way to test my yaw sensor on 04 Volkswagen beetle gls? It's not throwing a code but when driving, it yanks me to the left then right very hard. Like the tire are over accelerating the other tire. I've replaced the ABS Sensors and did the steering wheel alignment. I'm thinking it can only be the yaw sensor going bad but don't know how to test it with the VCDS. Already replaced front ABS sensors and pedal but still have code. Thanks!

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Sunday,04,August,2024,13:32:03:61166
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 24.7.0.0  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4643.4
Data version: 20240715 DS356.3
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: 3VWCK31C04M419824   License Plate: 04 BEETLE 8-4
Mileage: 154000km-95691mi   Repair Order:



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Chassis Type: 1C (9C - VW New Beetle (1999 > 2010))
Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 17 19 25 29 35 37 39 46 54 56 65 75
 
VIN: 3VWCK31C04M419824   Mileage: 154000km-95691miles
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Address 01: Engine        Labels: 06A-906-032-BEV1.clb
   Part No: 06A 906 032 MS
   Component: 2l LEV2 NB AG4  G   5505
   Coding: 00003
   Shop #: WSC 00069
   VCID: 7BA3E1AAAAFB8E320A1-5160
   VINID: 0E69D36C305300474404920210E8C4FFEC
   3VWCK31C04M419824     VWZ5Z0D2198070

1 Fault Found:
18034 - Powertrain Data Bus
            P1626 - 35-10 - Missing Message from TCU - Intermittent
Readiness: 0000 0000

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Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 01M-927-733.lbl
   Part No: 01M 927 733 MG
   Component: AG4 Getriebe 01M    5046
   Coding: 00000
   Shop #: WSC 00000
   VCID: 015F9342C817E4E250D-0962

3 Faults Found:
00777 - Accelerator Position Sensor (G79)
            27-10 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
00293 - Multi-function Switch (F125)
            25-10 - Unknown Switch Condition - Intermittent
01314 - Engine Control Module
            49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1C0-907-37x-ESP-F.lbl
   Part No: 1C0 907 379 M
   Component: ESP FRONT MK60      0102
   Coding: 0022530
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 34310A96C225814A8BB-5160

4 Faults Found:
00285 - ABS Wheel Speed Sensor; Front Right (G45)
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
00283 - ABS Wheel Speed Sensor; Front Left  (G47)
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
01314 - Engine Control Module
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
01315 - Transmission Control Module
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 1T0-909-605.lbl
   Part No: 6Q0 909 605 AG
   Component: 01 AIRBAG VW71      0710
   Coding: 0012337
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 7CA1E2B6AAF5890A03B-5160

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1C0 959 339
   Component: BF-Gewichtsens. 004 0005

2 Faults Found:
02513 - Belt Force Sensor for Seat Occupied Recognition (G453)
            011 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
00592 - Seat Belt Switch; Passenger (E25)
            006 - Short to Plus - Intermittent

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1C0-920-x4x.lbl
   Part No: 1C0 920 951
   Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRS. M73 V02
   Coding: 11232
   Shop #: WSC 00000
   VCID: 5EE5883E19297B1A0DF-4B1E
   3VWCK31C04M419824     VWZ5Z0D2198070

2 Faults Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module
            49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
01315 - Transmission Control Module
            49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent

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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.clb
   Part No: 6N0 909 901
   Component: Gateway K<->CAN    V022
   Coding: 00006
   Shop #: WSC 00066
   VCID: 70B9C686F3BDFD6AAF3-4B1E

2 Faults Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module
            49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
01315 - Transmission Control Module
            49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent

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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 1C0-959-799.lbl
   Part No: 1C0 959 799 G
   Component: 2K Komfortgerát HLO 0004
   Coding: 00064
   Shop #: WSC 00066
   VCID: 3B2321AAEA7B4E324A1-4B1E

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: Steuerger
   Component: t Fahr. antwortet nicht  

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1C2959801A
   Component: 2K Tõrsteuer.BF KLO 0202

4 Faults Found:
01330 - Central Control Module for Central Convenience (J393)
            53-10 - Supply Voltage Too Low - Intermittent
01332 - Door Control Module; Passenger Side (J387)
            49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
01331 - Door Control Module; Driver Side (J386)
            49-00 - No Communications
01044 - Control Module Incorrectly Coded
            35-00 - -

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Address 56: Radio        Labels: 1J0-035-18x-56.clb
   Part No: 1C0 035 196 H
   Component:  RADIO DE2         0004
   Coding: 06031
   Shop #: WSC 00066
   VCID: 2411FAD677C511CA1BB-51F2

2 Faults Found:
00856 - Radio Antenna
            36-10 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
00668 - Supply Voltage Terminal 30
            07-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent

End----------(Elapsed Time: 03:46, VBatt start/end: 14.3V/14.3V)------
 
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You've got a lot of "intermittent" faults in your scan. I'd suggest clearing them, then go for a test drive until the issue happens again. Once you re-verify your steering issue, please grab a new full auto scan and post it up here. That should clear up a lot of the "noise" in your current scan and help us potentially narrow down the issue.
 
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davisev5225 said:
You've got a lot of "intermittent" faults in your scan. I'd suggest clearing them, then go for a test drive until the issue happens again. Once you re-verify your steering issue, please grab a new full auto scan and post it up here. That should clear up a lot of the "noise" in your current scan and help us potentially narrow down the issue.
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Will do tomorrow....I did clear them and ran the scan but it was identical...will clear them and test drive..if I can stay in my lane...lol this thing yanks bad left and right...
 
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Bzak1pgh said:
will clear them and test drive..if I can stay in my lane...lol this thing yanks bad left and right...
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My gut says this is probably why you're having so much trouble:

Code: 
Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1C0-907-37x-ESP-F.lbl
   Part No: 1C0 907 379 M
   Component: ESP FRONT MK60      0102
   Coding: 0022530
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 34310A96C225814A8BB-5160

4 Faults Found:
00285 - ABS Wheel Speed Sensor; Front Right (G45)
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
00283 - ABS Wheel Speed Sensor; Front Left  (G47)
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent

If the ABS sensors are intermittently giving bad readings, your ABS system probably thinks you have a sudden loss of traction and is applying the brakes on individual wheels to try and compensate for an issue that isn't actually present, but appears to be due to the bad sensor data.
 
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Bzak1pgh said:
I'm thinking it can only be the yaw sensor going bad but don't know how to test it with the VCDS.
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I believe readings from that sensor show up as Rotation Rate in MVB 004.3

However, I would focus on correcting the wheel speed sensor faults first,

-Uwe-
 
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Uwe said:
I believe readings from that sensor show up as Rotation Rate in MVB 004.3

However, I would focus on correcting the wheel speed sensor faults first,

-Uwe-
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here are the results from the test drive....[pretty much the same].....im thinking one thing is causing most of the others, obviously my speaker is removed , passenger seat belt bad.... ...I noticed the first hard pull was left and the warning light flashed, explanation point in triangle..

Code: 
Monday,05,August,2024,19:02:08:61166
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 24.7.0.0  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4643.4
Data version: 20240715 DS356.3
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: 3VWCK31C04M419824   License Plate:


Chassis Type: 1C (9C - VW New Beetle (1999 > 2010))
Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 17 19 25 29 35 37 39 46 54 56 65 75
 
VIN: 3VWCK31C04M419824   Mileage: 154000km-95691miles
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine        Labels: 06A-906-032-BEV1.clb
   Part No: 06A 906 032 MS
   Component: 2l LEV2 NB AG4  G   5505 
   Coding: 00003
   Shop #: WSC 00069 
   VCID: 7BA3E1AAAAFB8E320A1-5160
   3VWCK31C04M419824     VWZ5Z0D2198070

1 Fault Found:
18034 - Powertrain Data Bus
            P1626 - 35-10 - Missing Message from TCU - Intermittent
Readiness: 0000 0000

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 01M-927-733.lbl
   Part No: 01M 927 733 MG
   Component: AG4 Getriebe 01M    5046 
   Coding: 00000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 
   VCID: 015F9342C817E4E250D-0962

3 Faults Found:
00777 - Accelerator Position Sensor (G79)
            27-10 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
00293 - Multi-function Switch (F125)
            25-10 - Unknown Switch Condition - Intermittent
01314 - Engine Control Module
            49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1C0-907-37x-ESP-F.lbl
   Part No: 1C0 907 379 M
   Component: ESP FRONT MK60      0102 
   Coding: 0022530
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 34310A96C225814A8BB-5160

4 Faults Found:
00285 - ABS Wheel Speed Sensor; Front Right (G45)
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
00283 - ABS Wheel Speed Sensor; Front Left  (G47)
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
01314 - Engine Control Module
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
01315 - Transmission Control Module
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 1T0-909-605.lbl
   Part No: 6Q0 909 605 AG
   Component: 01 AIRBAG VW71      0710 
   Coding: 0012337
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 7CA1E2B6AAF5890A03B-5160

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1C0 959 339
   Component: BF-Gewichtsens04 ¸

2 Faults Found:
02513 - Belt Force Sensor for Seat Occupied Recognition (G453)
            011 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
00592 - Seat Belt Switch; Passenger (E25)
            006 - Short to Plus - Intermittent

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1C0-920-x4x.lbl
   Part No: 1C0 920 951
   Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRS. M73 V02 
   Coding: 11232
   Shop #: WSC 00000 
   VCID: 5EE5883E19297B1A0DF-4B1E
   3VWCK31C04M419824     VWZ5Z0D2198070

2 Faults Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module
            49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
01315 - Transmission Control Module
            49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.clb
   Part No: 6N0 909 901
   Component: Gateway K<->CAN    V022 
   Coding: 00006
   Shop #: WSC 00066 
   VCID: 70B9C686F3BDFD6AAF3-4B1E

2 Faults Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module
            49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
01315 - Transmission Control Module
            49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 1C0-959-799.lbl
   Part No: 1C0 959 799 G
   Component: 2K Komfortgerát HLO 0004 
   Coding: 00064
   Shop #: WSC 00066 
   VCID: 3B2321AAEA7B4E324A1-4B00

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: Steuerger
   Component: t Fahr. antwortet nicht    

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1C2959801A
   Component: 2K Tõrsteuer.BF KLO 0202 

4 Faults Found:
01330 - Central Control Module for Central Convenience (J393)
            53-10 - Supply Voltage Too Low - Intermittent
01332 - Door Control Module; Passenger Side (J387)
            49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
01331 - Door Control Module; Driver Side (J386)
            49-00 - No Communications
01044 - Control Module Incorrectly Coded
            35-00 - -

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 56: Radio        Labels: 1J0-035-18x-56.clb
   Part No: 1C0 035 196 H
   Component:  RADIO DE2         0004 
   Coding: 06031
   Shop #: WSC 00066 
   VCID: 2411FAD677C511CA1BB-51CE

2 Faults Found:
00856 - Radio Antenna
            36-10 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
00668 - Supply Voltage Terminal 30
            07-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent

End----------(Elapsed Time: 03:46, VBatt start/end: 12.7V/12.6V)-----------
 
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Check wiring (power, ground, comms) to your ABS module and inspect wiring to ABS sensors on both front wheels. If necessary, clean up the tone ring on each front axle.
 
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davisev5225, did what you suggested. Checked the wiring, sent my ABS off to get tested and it's on its way back with a clean bill of health. Even wire brushed my hubs where the sensors read.. Still yanks to left and right. Could the break independently apply pressure by itself and that what's causing my bug to yank left the right. It will do it about a minute into the ride then nothing g for 2 minutes ish, then do it again. And it's always left then right...
 
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davisev5225 said:
I almost wonder if that's some kind of steering rack self-calibration gone wrong... ?
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Sry for late response...daughter's having s baby...but, is there a way to test that, or how can I find out that, it might be what u suggested?
 
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Assuming the shop/vendor you sent your ABS module to is competent, and assuming the wiring is indeed good per one of your previous replies, that leaves just two possibilities as far as I can see: either the ABS sensors have gone bad, or they are having troubles reading the tone rings at your wheel hubs (debris, mis-alignment, etc.) Your steering rack isn't showing any errors on its own, and the only clues are the sensor errors and the fact that the ECU & TCU sometimes stop talking to the ABS module. Could be wiring, could be something else.

At this point, all I can provide is general advice. You've got electrical issues somewhere in your vehicle, both relating to the front wheel sensors as well as relating to the communication bus between primary modules (CANBUS, maybe?). I'd say it's time to dig deeper into the wiring - look for stripped/frayed/damaged cables, dirty/oily connectors, etc. Something is causing your electrical and communication faults, and if your ABS module is "healthy", then it's somewhere downstream of that.

EDIT: Yes, I realize I appear to be contradicting myself here by saying the wiring is good, but then asking you to check the wiring. Again, this is just general advice - something is causing these "electrical" errors and intermittent loss of communication issues, so if the module is good, then it is probably in the wiring somewhere, and it's probably an issue that isn't omni-present, such as an intermittent short from a frayed wire loom.
 
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Bzak1pgh said:
00285 - ABS Wheel Speed Sensor; Front Right (G45) 012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
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Bzak1pgh said:
00283 - ABS Wheel Speed Sensor; Front Left (G47) 012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
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Keep this simple - Graph all 4 Wheel Speed Sensors with VCDS while driving the car.

Wiring is unlikely to give you those DTC's
 
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Bzak1pgh said:
can only be the yaw sensor going bad
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No chance - I would be horrified it that was the case. The Traction Control Module is more than capable of detecting YAW sensor failure !!

You are barking up the wrong tree there - Absolutely !!
Bzak1pgh said:
sent my ABS off to get tested and it's on its way back with a clean bill of health.
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Forget that - take with a pinch of salt - Means Nothing !! The ONLY place to test that module is in its natural environment - Your car - Not removed from your car !!
 
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Dr Sheldon said:
Keep this simple - Graph all 4 Wheel Speed Sensors with VCDS while driving the car.

Wiring is unlikely to give you those DTC's
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Can u give me dorection on how yo due this? I'm kinds new to all this VCDS program. I can pull the codes and all that, just curious on graphing the the sensors....hopefully I just bought a bad set... tks@
 
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Bzak1pgh said:
Can u give me dorection on how yo due this? I'm kinds new to all this VCDS program.
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[Select]
[03-ABS]
[Meas. Blocks]
- Group 001 should have the individual wheel speeds.

However, my gut says you either have a failing ABS module.

-Uwe-
 
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Even though I just got it checked out??
 
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Uwe said:
- Group 001 should have the individual wheel speeds.

However, my gut says you either have a failing ABS module.
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Bzak1pgh said:
Even though I just got it checked out??
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You think you have had it checked out !!
And You Paid to have it checked out !!

Is not the same as "checked out" properly - that must happen in your car !! In its natural habitat, subjected to the same underhood conditions !!

Heat and Vibration for one !

Right now we do not know where the failure is purely because of the Massive Holes in any testing done thus far !!
 
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Uwe said:
However, my gut says you either have a failing ABS module.
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I am gently inclined that way too !!

Two WSS failures "normally" do not cause the Module to make the car snatch as you describe !! Once again more testing is needed to narrow this down.
 
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Dr Sheldon said:
You think you have had it checked out !!
And You Paid to have it checked out !!

Is not the same as "checked out" properly - that must happen in your car !! In its natural habitat, subjected to the same underhood conditions !!

Heat and Vibration for one !

Right now we do not know where the failure is purely because of the Massive Holes in any testing done thus far !!
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Well, that's definitely something we agree on...probably just a scam thing...but, I'll fo a live data. My daughter just had a baby, so it might be a day ir two...I really appreciate all the help though!!!
 
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