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Dont worry you just turned your president into a king
 
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Dont worry you just turned your president into a king
You obviously haven't read the actual Supreme Court decision you appear to be alluding to.

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You obviously haven't read the actual Supreme Court decision you appear to be alluding to.
I have.

After July 2024, may a President be prosecuted for (as an example) selling pardons?
 
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Are you guys talking about the same muppet that I think you're talking about? :confused:
 
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After July 2024, may a President be prosecuted for (as an example) selling pardons?
Granting pardons is an act that is explicitly within a president's constitutional authority an thus has full immunity. However, accepting a bribe most certainly is not and thus has no immunity, unless of course you believe the utterly unhinged dissent written by Justice Sotomayor.

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However a presidents motives for granting a pardon including accepting a bribe as part of official duties cannot be questioned. The supreme court decision leaves a lot a wriggle room to escape prosecution for criminal acts or just tie things up in lower courts for years
 
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The supreme court decision leaves a lot a wriggle room to escape prosecution for criminal acts or just tie things up in lower courts for years
Let's consider historical context. No US President had ever been prosecuted for anything he did while in office. Not for droning an Iraqi wedding. Not for illegal wars. Not for any of the numerous highly questionable actions many of them have taken. US Presidents had de facto immunity. Prosecuting them after they left office was something that we simply did not do; it was considered uncivilized; the purview of third-world countries.

What the SCOTUS decision does is delineate with some precision what a President can and can't be prosecuted for. All future Presidents, Trump included, must now consider potential criminal liability under the Trump v. US standard. It will make Presidents much more careful when acting outside their Constitutional authority.

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Many US legal scholars (especially those not wearing MAGA hats ) with much better understanding of the US law and constitution would disagree that the SCOTUS decision "deliniates with some precision what the president can and cant do". They would say it basically permits the president to do any criminal act while in office and gives him immunity for life.

Given that no president has ever been prosecuted for what he did in office ( Nixon came close but was pardoned) the need for the Scotus to even take on this case appears weak and the potential ramifications of the expanded immunity powers it granted the president appear to be uneccessary.
 
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Sorry here is the precise words

"What the SCOTUS decision does is delineate with some precision what a President can and can't be prosecuted for." sorry for my poor english summary :)
 
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Sorry here is the precise words

"What the SCOTUS decision does is delineate with some precision what a President can and can't be prosecuted for." sorry for my poor english summary :)
Right. For the first time ever, we now have legal precedent that there ARE things a President CAN be prosecuted for.

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Yes but they also made it impossible to prosecute it in practice :)
 
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Yes but they also made it impossible to prosecute it in practice :)
"It" -- what exactly are you referring to?

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I am enjoying a nice armangac.I will leave the US justice sytem to you for tonight. Its only my problem when Trump allows China to invade Australia. Hopefully we get the Nuclear subs we paid for before then
 
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This is the 'left wing democrats" legal analysis by people who know more than me. Dont know if its right or wrong but pretty damming regardless.
 
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Can't visit in person, no problem, take the virtual tour.


Turns out the French really were instrumental in our Independence! (Merci beaucoup)!
 
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It is every English gentlemen's duty to stick two fingers up to the French, goes back a long way!
 
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