2004 Bentley Continental Tyre Pressure Monitor Fault

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Hey,

So I have a Bentley Continental GT (04) that is unable to read the tyre pressures and I have the warning coming up on the dash too. Within the last 12/16 months, it has had new tyre pressure sensors in all four wheels. Is there anyway I can use VAGCOM to check the tyre pressures and see if the TPMS needs replacing?

Below is the code from the scan I have performed



Monday,19,October,2015,12:27:49:54032
VCDS Version: Release 15.7.1 (x64) Running on Windows 10 x64
www.Ross-Tech.com

Address 65: Tire Pressure Labels:
Control Module Part Number:
Component and/or Version:
Software Coding:
Work Shop Code:
VCID: 55AAFA28ACD246965E-FFFE
1 Fault Found:

01312 - Powertrain Data Bus
013 - Check DTC Memory
 
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Hello,

Is there anyway I can use VAGCOM to check the tyre pressures and see if the TPMS needs replacing?


Yes, you can take a look at the following Measuring Value Blocks.


MVB 001 = Front Left Wheel
MVB 004 = Front Right Wheel
MVB 007 = Rear Left Wheel
MVB 010 = Rear Right Wheel
MVB 013 = Spare Tire

Each Group will display the following fields of information:

Field 1 = Position
Field 2 = Wheel,Temperature
Field 3 = Wheel Pressure (actual)
Field 4 = Wheel Pressure (specified)

MVB 016 = Wheel Sensor Status (from last Received Wheel ID)
- Be sure the 2nd field does not display a Status of [x4h (and above) = Faulty]



Also have a look at the Ross-Tech wiki page linked below...

Bentley Continental (3W) Tire Pressure Monitoring





Hope this helps,

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Hello Stephen,

This Bentley shares a TPMS system with my Phaeton and I'm pretty handy with that system. Jack and Peter have give you good advice already, but I want to reinforce a couple things.

First, please do go ahead and post a complete, un-edited Auto-Scan per Jack's request. The fault you see means there's a different fault, somewhere else in the car, that might be preventing TPMS from starting a learning cycle. Second, while Peter's MVB suggestions are correct, you'll want to focus on MVB 016 until you're much further along.

The position-specific groups (001-003 front left, 004-006 front right, and so on) are NOT correct until the system has successfully gone through a learning cycle. Even though there's an antenna at all four wheels, until the learning cycle is done, there's no particular guarantee the sensor showing up in MVB 001 is actually in the front left wheel. When you reinitialize the system, those groups fill in bottom-up in the order the controller happens to receive TPMS packets. When learning completes and the controller has confirmed what's where, it'll shuffle the sensors around to their learned positions.

In MVB 016 you're watching TPMS packets received from ANY wheel, in real time. You want to see it update every few seconds with different TPMS sensor ID numbers. Start a log with VCDS on MVB 016, and then force each sensor to wake up and transmit immediately by deflating and re-inflating each tire by 10 PSI. Then go back and check your log. You want to see five different IDs if you have a TPMS-equipped spare, or four if you don't. I don't recall how the Bentleys were equipped.

If MVB 016 DOES NOT show the right number of sensor IDs, you have one or more sensors AWOL. Fix that.

If MVB 016 DOES show the right number of sensor IDs, you have some condition that's preventing TPMS learning. Let's cross that bridge when we come to it. I have a procedure here to forcibly enter sensor IDs and target pressures at each position, but it really should learn on its own provided your current tire pressures are in compliance with its rules. Also we need to see that Auto-Scan to confirm there's not other gremlins involved.

Jason
 
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Hello,




Yes, you can take a look at the following Measuring Value Blocks.


MVB 001 = Front Left Wheel
MVB 004 = Front Right Wheel
MVB 007 = Rear Left Wheel
MVB 010 = Rear Right Wheel
MVB 013 = Spare Tire

Each Group will display the following fields of information:

Field 1 = Position
Field 2 = Wheel,Temperature
Field 3 = Wheel Pressure (actual)
Field 4 = Wheel Pressure (specified)

MVB 016 = Wheel Sensor Status (from last Received Wheel ID)
- Be sure the 2nd field does not display a Status of [x4h (and above) = Faulty]


drpeter


so....


MVB 001 = Front Left Wheel - OK
MVB 004 = Front Right Wheel - Not recognised
MVB 007 = Rear Left Wheel - Not recognised
MVB 010 = Rear Right Wheel - OK
MVB 013 = Spare Tire - OK

MVB 016 - 0.601.118.370 - 01h 2.27 bar
 
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Please post an auto-scan..........The code reflects issues in other systems.

I have taken the front bumper off and I am replacing the radiator as it has started to leak, so some of the code below will be due to some components being disconnected.

Code:
VCDS Version: Release 15.7.1 (x64) Running on Windows 10 x64
Data version: 20150904
www.Ross-Tech.com

Monday,19,October,2015,16:23:39:54032

Chassis Type: 3W (3W - Bentley Continental (2004 > 2007))
Scan: 01 02 03 05 06 07 08 09 11 13 15 16 17 18 19 23 26 28 34 36
          37 38 46 47 53 54 57 65 66 68 69 6C 71 75 76 77
 
VIN: SCBCE63W45C025106   Mileage: 70370km-43725miles
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine        Labels: 07C-906-018-BEB1.clb
   Part No: 07C 906 018 AE
   Component: BY-6.0L-TT      G  ª6485  
   Revision: 74ÿTT       Serial number:  000-00023.07.
   Coding: 0000173
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 68D4C3DC58A0CB7EF5-5140

2 Faults Found:
16455 - Sensor for Ambient Air Temperature (G17) 
            P0071 - 004 - Implausible Signal
18331 - Please Check DTC Memory of ECU Number 2 
            P1923 - 008 - 
Readiness: 0110 1101

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 09E-927-156.lbl
   Part No SW: 09E 927 760 C    HW: GS1 9.0 4.1 
   Component: AG6 09E 6.0L W12TT  1903  
   Coding: 0000101
   Shop #: WSC 00083 000 00000
   VCID: 30646BBCA0F043BEED-5140

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 3W0-614-517-V1.lbl
   Part No: 3W0 614 517 D
   Component: ESP 5.7 4WD     H01 0021  
   Coding: 0007878
   Shop #: WSC 00134 000 00000
   VCID: 36685DA442946D8EB7-5140

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 05: Acc/Start Auth.        Labels: 3D0-909-13x-05.lbl
   Part No SW: 3D0 909 135 Q    HW: 5WK 470 22
   Component: 0M Kessy            6610  
   Revision: 66105312    Serial number: VWZ3Z0D3239823
   Coding: 0155885
   Shop #: WSC 00083 000 00000
   VCID: 336E64B051E678A690-5140

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX 
   Component: ELV                 XXXX

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 06: Seat Mem. Pass        Labels: None
   Part No: 3W0 959 759 A
   Component:    CM Seat Pass.    0009  
   Coding: 0000002
   Shop #: WSC 00134 106 58468
   VCID: 47962060357EE406DC-5140

2 Faults Found:
01320 - Control Module for Climatronic (J255) 
            013 - Check DTC Memory
01975 - Passengers Seat Height Adjustment Motor (V191) 
            005 - No or Incorrect Basic Setting / Adaptation

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 07: Control Head        Labels: 3D0-035-00x-07.lbl
   Part No: 3W0 035 007 G
   Component:    ZAB COCKPIT      0223  
   Coding: 0400335
   Shop #: WSC 00083 000 00000
   VCID: 30646BBCA0F043BEED-5140

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: None
   Part No: 3W0 907 040 B
   Component: Climatronic BY614   0030  
   Coding: 0000001
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 30646BBCA0F043BEED-5140

1 Fault Found:
00779 - Outside Air Temp Sensor (G17) 
            010 - Open or Short to Plus

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels: 3D0-937-049-V1.clb
   Part No: 3D0 937 049 H
   Component: STG.Bordnetz        5101  
   Coding: 0000107
   Shop #: WSC 00083 000 00000
   VCID: 2F6668C0BDCE5C46F4-5140

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 11: Engine II        Labels: 07C-906-018-BEB2.clb
   Part No: 07C 906 018 AE
   Component: BY-6.0L-TT      G  ª6485  
   Revision: 68ÿTT       Serial number:  000-00023.07.
   Coding: 0000173
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 68D4C3DC58A0CB7EF5-5140

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 3D0-909-601.lbl
   Part No: 3D0 909 601 E
   Component: 0P Airbag 8.4E+ H10 0936  
   Coding: 0012368
   Shop #: WSC 00083 000 00000
   VCID: 254A8AE8EF3216160E-5140

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 3D0-953-549.lbl
   Part No: 3D0 953 549 D
   Component: Lenksäulenmodul     3401  
   Coding: 0000012
   Shop #: WSC 00083 000 00000
   VCID: 2E5875C4BAC4554EFF-5140

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 3Wx-920-xxx-17.lbl
   Part No: 3W0 920 840 R
   Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT RB8 0514  
   Coding: 0021403
   Shop #: WSC 00083 000 00000
   VCID: 438E34700146C82600-515E

1 Fault Found:
01320 - Control Module for Climatronic (J255) 
            013 - Check DTC Memory

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl
   Part No: 6N0 909 901 
   Component: Gateway K<>CAN      0101  
   Coding: 0000006
   Shop #: WSC 00129 106 59631
   VCID: 70E4ABBC607003BEAD-5140

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 34: Level Control        Labels: 3Wx-907-553-34.clb
   Part No: 3W0 907 553 A
   Component: LUFTFDR.-CDC- 3C3V0 7203  
   Coding: 0005561
   Shop #: WSC 00134 106 58468
   VCID: 3874539C48809BFEA5-5140

1 Fault Found:
01575 - Control Switched Off 
            000 -  - 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr        Labels: None
   Part No: 3W0 959 760 A
   Component:    CM Seat Driver   0008  
   Coding: 0000002
   Shop #: WSC 00134 106 58468
   VCID: 3F8638806DAEACC664-5140

2 Faults Found:
01320 - Control Module for Climatronic (J255) 
            013 - Check DTC Memory
01903 - Seat Tilt Adjustment Motor (V231) 
            005 - No or Incorrect Basic Setting / Adaptation

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 37: Navigation        Labels: None
   Part No: 3W0 919 887 B
   Component:    NAVIGATION       0168  
   Coding: 0400000
   Shop #: WSC 00135 106 59661
   VCID: 46882D643274FD0E27-5140

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 38: Roof Electronics        Labels: None
   Part No: 3W0 907 135 C
   Component: Dachmodul           0703  
   Coding: 0000157
   Shop #: WSC 00083 000 00000
   VCID: 36685DA442946D8EB7-5140

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 3D0-959-933.lbl
   Part No: 3D0 959 933 F
   Component: 20 HSG              0101  
   Coding: 0000032
   Shop #: WSC 00148 106 59863
   VCID: 336E64B051E678A690-4B1C

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 3W2 959 701 
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet FS 0702

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 3W2 959 702 
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet BF 0702

   Subsystem 3 - Part No: 3W3 959 703 
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet HL 0702

   Subsystem 4 - Part No: 3W3 959 704 
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet HR 0702

   Subsystem 5 - Part No: 7L0 907 719 
   Component:    Neigungssensor   0020

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 47: Sound System        Labels: 7Lx-035-4xx-47.lbl
   Part No: 3W0 035 456 C
   Component: 12K-AUDIOVERST      4121  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 346C67AC54E87F9E89-5140

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 53: Parking Brake        Labels: 3W0-907-801.clb
   Part No SW: 3W0 907 801 B    HW: 3W0 907 801 B
   Component: EPB  BC6HX23    HC6 X230  
   Coding: 0022413
   Shop #: WSC 00083 000 00000
   VCID: 356A5AA85F926696BE-5140

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 54: Rear Spoiler        Labels: 1C0-959-733.lbl
   Part No: 1C0 959 733 H
   Component: Heckspoiler         0002  
   VCID: 30646BBCF0F043BEED-51D4

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 57: TV Tuner        Labels: 3D0-919-146.lbl
   Part No: 3D0 919 146 
   Component: TV Tuner        H07 1205  
   Coding: 0000010
   Shop #: WSC 00083 000 00000
   VCID: 65CACAE8AFB2D616CE-5140

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 65: Tire Pressure        Labels: None
   Part No: 3D0 907 273 D
   Component: Reifendruckueberw.  0025  
   Coding: 0180351
   Shop #: WSC 18914 067 268928
   VCID: 275680E0953E04063C-515E

1 Fault Found:
01312 - Powertrain Data Bus 
            013 - Check DTC Memory

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 68: Wiper Electr.        Labels: 3Wx-955-023.clb
   Part No: 3W2 955 023 C
   Component: Wischermodul       ª9323  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 725 65552
   VCID: 377650A0459E9486AC-5140

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 71: Battery Charger        Labels: 3D0-915-181.lbl
   Part No: 3D0 915 181 C
   Component: Batteriemanagement  2700  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 234E94F0E106E82660-5140

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 76: Park Assist        Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No: 3W0 919 283 
   Component: 02 Einparkhilfe     0203  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 7AF08994360C49EE13-5140

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 77: Telephone        Labels: None
   Part No: 3W0 035 729 K
   Component: Telefon             0252  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 3F8638806DAEACC664-5140

No fault code found.

End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 08:28)--------------------------
 
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Hmmmmmm

You have to wonder if the outside ambient temp sensor is related to this while having bumper off?

Could be looking to know what those temps are to reflect for expansion and contraction of the tire PSI deviation.
 
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So the warning light has gone from the dash. Th images are what is coming up when I check the pressures.
 
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You have to wonder if the outside ambient temp sensor is related to this while having bumper off?

Could be looking to know what those temps are to reflect for expansion and contraction of the tire PSI deviation.
Mmm yep! it most definitely includes outside air temperatures in validating tire pressures. It separately displays actual pressure vs. what the pressure would be at 20C ambient. It's also involved in the learning process... it's actually how it picks out the trunk spare in the Phaeton. There's no dedicated antenna for it. If you start off cold with the tires at ambient, it expects four of the five to get hotter as you're driving. The one that doesn't get hotter is in the trunk!

Question is, does the TPMS controller have an internal temp sensor, or does it rely on CAN sharing of data from the car's main OAT sensor. I'm gonna go with CAN. Can verify by looking in MVB 018 to see if there's a valid temperature with the OAT unplugged. Or, you could reinstall the front end of the car before you spend time worrying about TPMS. Whichever. :)

Jason
 
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MVB 001 = Front Left Wheel - OK
MVB 004 = Front Right Wheel - Not recognised
MVB 007 = Rear Left Wheel - Not recognised
MVB 010 = Rear Right Wheel - OK
MVB 013 = Spare Tire - OK

MVB 016 - 0.601.118.370 - 01h 2.27 bar
Interesting results here. It was probably learned-in at some point, otherwise you couldn't have missing sensors in the "middle" of the list. Also, the TPMS controller thinks you have a spare, and your Infotainment unit thinks you don't. When the spare tire option is on, you should have a fifth tire at the bottom of the car image, and you don't. I also don't see that you have the Infotainment option to voluntarily disable spare tire monitoring, so I'm not sure how there's a discrepancy. So, something interesting going on.

phaeton-tpms-withspare.jpg


Two next steps, if you're still having trouble:

1) Watch MVB 016 for a while. That's a sensor ID (0.601.118.370) and some status information (01h) you're seeing. You should see that change periodically. How many unique sensor IDs do you see?

2) Please generate and upload a controller channel map of your TPMS controller. That will let us see pretty much everything it's capable of reporting. Start VCDS, go to Applications, Controller Channel Map. Use address 65. Check measured values only, pre-label file, no security code needed. Upload the resulting log file here, just like you did with your Auto-Scan.

Jason
 
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Hey, had to open the file in excel as I couldn't find a program to open the saved .plb file.

;SW:3D0-907-273-D HW: --- Tire Pressure
;Component:Reifendruckueberw. 0025 Coding:0180351
;Tuesday 20 October 2015 13:42:31:54032
;VCDS Version: Release 15.7.1 (x64) Data version: 20150904
;VCID: 275680E0953E04063C-5140

Group Field 1 Data type Field 2 Data type Field 3 Data type Field 4 Data type
1 11.0°C Temperature 2.76 bar Pressure 2.72 bar Pressure
2 87 Time (Months) N/A N/A
3 0.601.112.329 Status 01h
4 Not Recogn. 2.60 bar Pressure
5 0 Time (Months) N/A N/A
6 0.601.112.311 Status 00h
7 Not Recogn. 2.50 bar Pressure
8 0 Time (Months) N/A N/A
9 0.000.000.009 Status 00h
10 13.0°C Temperature 2.38 bar Pressure 2.57 bar Pressure
11 87 Time (Months) N/A N/A
12 0.601.118.370 Status 01h
13 13.0°C Temperature 1.84 bar Pressure 2.57 bar Pressure
14 40 Time (Months) N/A N/A
15 0.600.817.034 Status 01h
16 0.600.817.034 Status 01h 1.77bar
17 18914 Work Shop Code 14.40 V Voltage 1 Bin. Bits 0.0 km/h Speed
18 -40.0°C Temperature N/A N/A N/A
19 265 Temperature
20 2-Wire N/A N/A N/A
21 Inactive N/A N/A N/A
26 Rad vl -----00--0000004000--88111188111
27 Rad vr -----00--0000004000--88111188111
28 Rad hl -----00--0000004000--88111188111
29 Rad hr -----00--0000004000--88111188111
80 BEB-018 05.05.08 00070025 0004 1743
124 Data for Group 124 Not Available
 
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