Crafter LT3 ABS - can we help?

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DrewKrewUK

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Hello gang, we have a lot of Crafters and Sprinters in the UK. A LOT of them, and the biggest issue within the Crafter community here was that the LT3 menu ABS tab doesn't communicate.
We're plagued with ABS problems on these vans, and it's hard to identify many issues without VCDS, such as finding which wheel speed sensor is misreading etc etc.

I've used an old Snap-On Solus to try and get info from various Crafters and Sprinters (same van over here) and they all have this same ABS module, which i've tried to gather info about in the photos below:

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Would this info help add ABS functionality to the LT3 ABS menu?
I appreciate you don't have Crafters in the US and they've proven to be a headache for you to accomodate due to all the Mercedes modules present, i thought maybe if some of us Brits can help you identify the module it could possibly contribute to a fix next release.
If not, no harm done trying as they say!
 
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Did ABS tab ever get resolved in LT3 menu for Crafters 2006-2016?
They all use the same module, but noone in UK can connect to ABS on LT3 menu - is there a fix? or a user patch?
 
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If we do this, select Crafter, try Auto Scan, what happens, ABS will not be read... Did I understand correctly?

Code:
Chassis Type: 2E (2E - VW Crafter Panel Van (LT3 / 2006 > 2016))
Scan: 01 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 9A 9B 9C 9D 9E 9F A0 A1 A2 A3
          B0 B1 B2 B3 B4 B5 B6 C1
 
VIN: WV1ZZZ2EZB6******  
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Address 91: LT3 Engine        Labels: 
   VCID: 55F78642CC0EE11FCA1-FFFE


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Address 93: LT3 Immo        Labels: 2E0-905-865-93.clb
   Part No SW: 2E0 905 865 AD    HW: 906 545 580 8
   Component: IMMO          0805  0815  
   Revision: 00805000    Serial number: VWXDZ0J1023775
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 6D87CEA2419E49DF121-8038

No fault code found.

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Address 94: LT3 Airbag 
   Part No HW: 9064461442
   Shop #: WSC 00117 555 00000
   ASAM Dataset: 3 3332
   ROD: CRFT_AB_3_3331.rod (*)
   VCID: 55F78642C58EE11FCA1-8000

No fault code found.

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Address 95: LT3 ESP 
   Part No SW: 9069022800    HW: 0004460153
   Shop #: WSC 00117 555 00000
   ASAM Dataset: 3 4101
   ROD: CRFT_ESP_3_36946.rod (*)
   VCID: 04518B067E94A897EDF-8050

No fault code found.

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Address 96: LT3 Instruments 
   Part No SW: 9069026400    HW: 9069012000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: 32 787
   ROD: CRFT_KOMBI_32_787.rod
   VCID: 04518B067E94A897EDF-8050

No fault code found.

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Address 99: LT3 Ign. Switch 
   Part No HW: 9065455808
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: 67 257
   ROD: CRFT_EZS_67_257.rod (*)
   VCID: 55F78642C58EE11FCA1-8000

No fault code found.

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Address 9A: LT3 Central Locks        Labels: 2E0-905-865-9A.clb
   Part No SW: 2E0 905 865 AD    HW: 906 545 580 8
   Component: HF-FFB        0805  0815  
   Revision: 00805000    Serial number: 12345678901234
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 6D87CEA2419E49DF121-8038

No fault code found.

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Address 9B: LT3 Driver Door 
   Part No HW: 9068204126
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: 33 773
   ROD: CRFT_FTUHR_33_773.rod (*)
   VCID: 55F78642C58EE11FCA1-8000

No fault code found.

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Address B0: LT3 Roof Display 
   Part No SW: 9069021000    HW: 9069010900
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: 21 3
   ROD: CRFT_DBE_21_3.rod (*)
   VCID: 7BA3F0FA036AD76F9C5-802E

1 Fault Found:
909C - Alarm Horn (H12): No or incorrect basic setting 
            Test Complete - Active/Stored

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Address B4: LT3 Central Elec. 
   Part No SW: 9064420700    HW: 9065453801
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: 33 772
   ROD: CRFT_EZE_33_772.rod (*)
   VCID: 55F78642C58EE11FCA1-8000

1 Fault Found:
90A1 - Engine Coolant Level (ECL) Sensor (G32): Short to Plus 
            Test Complete - Active/Stored

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Address B6: LT3 Steering Wheel 
   Part No SW: 9065402345    HW: 9065402345
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: 72 257
   ROD: CRFT_SML_72_257.rod (*)
   VCID: 0655910E48A89A87F3B-8052

No fault code found.

End----------(Elapsed Time: 01:33, VBatt start/end: 12.5V/12.5V)-----------



I found an Auto Scan, is it the same/similar vehicle?



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Yes, 2E Crafter Panel Van (LT3) ABS tab does not communicate with any 2006-2016 Crafters ABS because its wrong in the VCDS program.
It will not communicate with ABS module whether you select Crafter Panel Van on the autoscan menu or go directly from the dedicated LT3 module page. It's not set correctly in VCDS and it's been like it years. I just don't get why noones interested in patching it to the correct addressing. An entire community grumbles about this daily due to these vans being plagued by ABS sensor problems, and the one tool they'd all buy to diagnose which sensor etc is unable to function due to being set wrongly and no real interest in ever correcting it.
 
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I just don't get why noones interested in patching it to the correct addressing.
Would you be so kind as to tell us what the correct addressing is?

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Uwe, i get it - you don't have Crafters in the US, i understand your point on that, i do. And i also appreciate how you have, despite this, tried to accomodate the Crafter via the LT3 menu. It's commendable and obviously dependant on help from outside the US by people trusted and capable to do so.
I apologise if that one line came across poorly. Reading it back i can see how that could be taken poorly and i'm sorry.
VCDS gets discussed daily within the UK Crafter community. Everyone wants a single tool/solution that caters to these vans, and we know they're essentially a Mercedes W906 Sprinter with a VW engine and badge grafted on.
There are other diagnostic options but nothing covers it all indepth, many are basic, and those that do certain tasks seemingly fail to be able to do others and people don't want to buy three or four different diagnostics solutions to cater for one vehicle etc. You've nearly fully covered any need for a crafter owner with LT3 menu, but as you are aware the ABS tab in LT3 isn't functional. We don't know why, we don't know what the hurdle is, we don't know how to help or even IF we can help. But there's lots of people in the Crafter community that do want to help. There's lots of people who do want it to work.
This post was originally started to ask if UK and Europe Crafter owners can help in any shape of form, not to antagonise you. I don't have the answer. No. But i, like others, don't understand the point you reached in trying to access that module and then couldn't. We have the vans in abundance and there's smart people out there who'd want to help. It may not be that simple.
LT3 menu interacts in great detail with all the other merc based modules and surprisingly even with Hella's roof control module inside the interior light,which is a later revision of a Mercedes Vito/Viano light controller - so much so that you can even clear the alarm event log data so some very complex hurdles were cleared already, leaving a lot of people confused and not understanding why an ABS menu is on the dedicated LT3 tab that doesn't communicate, and some speculate why it doesn't function, others think their module may be dead/faulty. It's on my because ABS is placed on the dedicated LT3 page and that's the general confusion.

We know VCDS is your baby, your creation, your achievement. Crafter owners aren't here to hate on you or disrespect your product, they're just confused whether this is a completely unsolveable issue or if its just a case of never having chance to give it finesse, or even a potential view that you don't have time or resources to pursue further due to not enough demand, interest, or need felt, or the fact there's no european based people on the software dev team. Some see a new VCDS version released and rush to try it again.
I've waffled on a lot here with my reply, because i wanted to expand on why you have one guy (me) on your forum today asking about this and from also knowing you are US based and these vans simply don't exist there. It's because the Crafter forums and groups are constantly getting posts on this exact topic and noone really knows your official stance on whether ABS will or will not become available in future releases and i've kinda probed a bit with this post on the hope of maybe getting that definitive answer and if it is unlikely to be solved then the topic can then be put to rest with a degree of clarity. It was never meant to scrutinise, searching through old Crafter posts here just leaves the question open still.
No offence intended, and i appreciate your time reading this.
Regards, DK.
 
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No offence intended,
None taken. It sounded to me like you knew what we were doing wrong, and that it should be an easy fix, and that was the case, we'd be happy to fix it.

BTW, I don't think this affects the earliest of the Crafters. We have the whole electronic guts of a 2008 in a wooden crate -- the entire harness and all the control modules. That's how we developed support for the bleeping MBZ modules in Crafters to begin with. I'm pretty confident we can talk to the ABS in that one, so I think your contention that this affects all 2006-2016 Crafters ABS and that they all use the same ABS module is likely incorrect.

I believe what we need in order to fix this is someone with an ABS that doesn't talk, some tool that does talk to it successfully (ideally VAS-PC or ODIS) and a decent CAN logger to send us the log of a session with it. That way we could see what we might be doing wrong on them.

-Uwe-
 
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