Convert kw to ms

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Hi
I TRIED TO POST IN VCDS HOW AND TIPS, BUT NO POST NEW THREAD SHOWN.
Ok my question is as i'm used to seeing fuel injectors in ms on time can vcds be converted to show ms instead of kw injection duration'

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What engine? What measuring block and field? What value (in kw) is VCDS showing? Are you sure you're not looking at something that's actually showing when injection starts rather than duration?

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Hi Uwe
No it says duration, for vw caddy van sdi, Bst,code, 06 year.

Friday,02,October,2015,14:39:09:46146
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x64
VCDS Version: 15.7.1.0 (x64)
Data version: 20150904
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VIN: License Plate:



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Address 01: Engine (03G 906 016 HN)

14:38:47
861 /min Engine Speed (G28)
6.0 mg/str Injection Quantity
6.6°KW Injection Duration (specified)
60.3°C Coolant Temperature (G62)
10.7 mg/str Start Injection Quantity
30.6°C Intake Air Temperature (G72)
210.0 mg/str Mass Air Flow (actual)
4.0 Engine Status
47.7°C Oil Temperature
19.1 % Position (Spec.) Intake Flap
95.6 % Exhaust Gas Recirc. Duty Cycle
19.1 % Position (Act.) Intake Flap
 
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Missing here is what What measuring block and field this data is found in, which means there's no way for anyone to double-check that the description of the data "Injection Duration (specified)" hasn't lost or gained something in translation.

Let's assume it's correct though. To convert degrees of crankshaft rotation to ms of time is pretty straightforward arithmetic, if we know the RPM (which we do -- it's 861 rpm). Divide by 60 gives you 14.35 revolutions per second, or 69.7 ms / revolution. A revolution is 360 degrees, so each degree is 0.1936 ms, and you've got 6.6 degrees, so the answer should be: 1.2775 ms.

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Missing here is what What measuring block and field this data is found in, which means there's no way for anyone to double-check that the description of the data "Injection Duration (specified)" hasn't lost or gained something in translation.

Let's assume it's correct though. To convert degrees of crankshaft rotation to ms of time is pretty straightforward arithmetic, if we know the RPM (which we do -- it's 861 rpm). Divide by 60 gives you 14.35 revolutions per second, or 69.7 ms / revolution. A revolution is 360 degrees, so each degree is 0.1936 ms, and you've got 6.6 degrees, so the answer should be: 1.2775 ms.

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UWE it's ok saying all that but then working it out each time,, some software i have for example you can change temp form C TO F. such as autoenginuity kit, I have a microsoft word doc which wont upload like the scan do,, so here are the details,,

MVB 001 FIELD 1, IS ENGINE SPEED G28, FIELD BOX TWO INJECTION QUANTITY 6.3 MG/STR, FIELD BOX 3 INJECTION DURATION 5.6 KW, AND FIELD BOX 4 COOLANT TEMP 84.6 C, G62

UWE Just to confuse things more, i have looked over a few of my screen shots of vcds mvb i have saved, and have for group 013 a TDI VW, showing in all 4 field box's injection deviation, and then a sdi vw same year 06 mvb 013 showing injection quantity

Here is the full autoscan for the vehicle with the kw injection duration.

Code:
Monday,28,September,2015,17:04:11:46146
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x64
VCDS Version: 15.7.0.2 (x64)
Data version: 20150820
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VIN: WV1ZZZ2KZ7X012269  
Mileage: 346130km-215075mi   Repair Order: 



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Chassis Type: 2K (1K0)
Scan: 01 03 09 15 16 17 19 25 42 46 52 56

VIN: WV1ZZZ2KZ7X012269   Mileage: 346130km-215075miles

00-Steering Angle Sensor -- Status: OK 0000
01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
 
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Address 01: Engine        Labels: None
   Part No SW: 03G 906 016 HN    HW: 028 101 227 2
   Component: R4 2,0L EDC 0000SG  7361  
   Revision: 12345678    Serial number: VWZ7Z0F7015055
   Coding: 0003031
   Shop #: WSC 35110 377 00157
   VCID: 76E3CAE201737F8E7F-8022

1 Fault Found:
16787 - EGR Valve (N18) 
            P0403 - 000 - Malfunction
             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 840 /min
                    Torque: 58.6 Nm
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Load: 0.0 %
                    Duty Cycle: 18.7 %
                    Duty Cycle: 95.2 %
                    Absolute Pres.: 918.0 mbar
                    Temperature: 17.1°C

Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0 

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK70.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 907 379 P
   Component: ASR FRONT MK70      0105  
   Coding: 0017106
   Shop #: WSC 35110 377 00157
   VCID: 3F8D6FC66EC9FEC66C-806A

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels: 3C0-937-049-23-M.lbl
   Part No SW: 3C0 937 049 D    HW: 3C0 937 049 D
   Component: Bordnetz-SG     H37 1002  
   Revision: 00H37000    Serial number: 00000005848402
   Coding: 00884F030004100000000000000000000009FB075C
   Shop #: WSC 35110 377 08192
   VCID: 2A5B2E92854B6B6E2B-807E

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 2K2 955 119 C  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer 050606 020  0501  
   Coding: 00038805
   Shop #: WSC 35110  

2 Faults Found:
02394 - Parking Light Left Front (M1) 
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101100
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 17
                    Reset counter: 32
                    Mileage: 345478 km
                    Time Indication: 0

             Freeze Frame:
                        ON
                    Voltage: 12.30 V
                        ON
                        ON
                        OFF
                        OFF
                        OFF

02395 - Parking Light Front Right (M3) 
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101100
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 32
                    Mileage: 346017 km
                    Time Indication: 0

             Freeze Frame:
                        ON
                    Voltage: 12.35 V
                        ON
                        ON
                        OFF
                        OFF
                        OFF


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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW52.lbl
   Part No SW: 6Q0 909 605 AH    HW: 6Q0 909 605 AH
   Component: 09 AIRBAG VW52  023 2400  
   Revision: 04023000    Serial number: 0037TD0AJPEY  
   Coding: 0012345
   Shop #: WSC 35110 377 00157
   VCID: 7DF1D5CE24452CD63E-8028

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 BB    HW: 1K0 953 549 BB
   Component: Lenksäulenmodul 035 0070  
   Coding: 0000002
   Shop #: WSC 35110 377 08192
   VCID: 73E5F3F612016AA658-8026

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-17.lbl
   Part No SW: 2K0 920 943 A    HW: 2K0 920 943 A
   Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VDD 1612  
   Revision: V0003000    Serial number: VWZ7Z0F7015055
   Coding: 0017401
   Shop #: WSC 00419 210 12041
   VCID: 2959D19E804D607622-807C

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 1K0-907-530-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 H    HW: 1K0 907 951 
   Component: J533__Gateway   H04 0010  
   Revision:   H04 02    Serial number: 17050602000960
   Coding: 1D0F014007007401
   Shop #: WSC 35110 377 00157
   VCID: 2C57288A8FBF755ED9-8078

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 2K0 920 943 A    HW: 2K0 920 943 A
   Component: IMMO            VDD 1612  
   Revision: V0003000    Serial number: VWZ7Z0F7015055
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 2959D19E804D607622-807C

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 1K0-959-793.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 959 793 
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet 02 0160  
   Coding: 0000000
   Shop #: WSC 35110 377 08192
   VCID: 76E3CAE201737F8E7F-8022

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 1K0-959-433-MIN.clb
   Part No: 1K0 959 433 AK
   Component:    KSG              0401  
   Coding: 008A0C087F2D84054858010010C0
   Shop #: WSC 00233 210 181960
   VCID: 79F9C1DE306D10F612-802C

   Subsystem 1 - Component:   Sounder n.mounted     

   Subsystem 2 - Component:       NGS n.mounted     

   Subsystem 3 - Component:      IRUE n.mounted     

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 1K0-959-792.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 959 792 
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet 02 0160  
   Coding: 0000000
   Shop #: WSC 35110 377 08192
   VCID: 75E1CDEE1C75749676-8020

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio        Labels: 1K0-035-1xx-56.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 035 186 R
   Component: Radio BVX       020 0032  
   Coding: 0020200
   Shop #: WSC 35110 377 08192
   VCID: 35610DEE5CF53496B6-8060

No fault code found.

End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 01:13)--------------------------
 
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UWE it's ok saying all that but then working it out each time,, some software i have for example you can change temp form C TO F. such as autoenginuity kit
VCDS will only give you the units that the factory tools use. This is intentional in order to avoid confusing people when they are trying to follow factory repair procedures.

MVB 001 FIELD 1, IS ENGINE SPEED G28, FIELD BOX TWO INJECTION QUANTITY 6.3 MG/STR, FIELD BOX 3 INJECTION DURATION 5.6 KW, AND FIELD BOX 4 COOLANT TEMP 84.6 C, G62
Since there is no label file for this engine, those descriptions are a best GUESS for that data on the part of VCDS. They should not be taken as gospel. See: http://www.ross-tech.com/vag-com/labels.html

UWE Just to confuse things more, i have looked over a few of my screen shots of vcds mvb i have saved, and have for group 013 a TDI VW, showing in all 4 field box's injection deviation, and then a sdi vw same year 06 mvb 013 showing injection quantity
Let me guess, one has a label file and one doesn't? The deviation is indeed measured in terms of quantity.

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Yes i was going to say is it because of label file, in the autoscan you can see no labels for engine,, is this scan any use to you to make one in the future.
Deviation you say is indeed measured in terms of quantity, but correct me if i'm wrong,, this is not for as normal injection fuel quantity, only a smoother to make the engine run smoother where it has worn components like cam lobs for injectors. I also noticed on this engine because we have a starting problem,, the fuel was disconnected, and yet the inection quantity was still showing when the engine was cranked over mg/str, cant rememebr the quantity,, i have a lot of micrososft window screen shots, can they be uploaded,
 
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Post #3 shows that a label file is found and data is correctly displayed, the Auto-Scan is from a prior version which didn't have the file in question - that may have added to the confusion here. To sort that, feel free to post a fresh scan with that latest version to which you manually added the label file following your other topic and our email conversation.

°KW is the official unit "Kurbelwellengrad" for "Einspritzdauer" which literally translates to "Injection Duration". While the English unit would be °CF (Degree Camshaft), Uwe decided a few years ago that isn't worth differentiating since most English literature refers to °KW anyway. ;) A label file does NOT have any influence on the unit or the actual value displayed by VCDS - all it does is provide the terminology/explanation for the values.
 
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Post #3 shows that a label file is found and data is correctly displayed, the Auto-Scan is from a prior version which didn't have the file in question - that may have added to the confusion here. To sort that, feel free to post a fresh scan with that latest version to which you manually added the label file following your other topic and our email conversation.

°KW is the official unit "Kurbelwellengrad" for "Einspritzdauer" which literally translates to "Injection Duration". While the English unit would be °CF (Degree Camshaft), Uwe decided a few years ago that isn't worth differentiating since most English literature refers to °KW anyway. ;) A label file does NOT have any influence on the unit or the actual value displayed by VCDS - all it does is provide the terminology/explanation for the values.

Hi Seb
Top Man,, your right regarding the label file, how is it now showing on this autoscan and not the other,, Is it because i had a label file from you last week for another caddy van that had no label file, both vehicles sdi ,,and that file is now in vcds logs, Regarding KW duration of injectors would it be for diesel only,, i have not seen it before, maybe as most of my work is on petrol engines race stand alone ecu's in ms etc. I have a scan log with the fuel turned of yet still seeing on the screen inj quantity for example 20mg/str, when cranking but inj deviation is 0, how is it that inj quantity is showing fuel injected under that operating condition, So inj quantity fuel injected,, Injection Deviation to smooth out running from cycl to cly, and Start injection quantity i assume is the figure that has to be injected under the present starting condition is in the ecu map for starting,, Here is the very lates scan for the vehicle label file issue. one last thing is kw the same as ms. if so it does not make any difference.

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Tuesday,06,October,2015,14:57:53:46146
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x64
VCDS Version: 15.7.1.0 (x64)
Data version: 20150904
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WV1ZZZ2KZ7X012269   License Plate: 
Mileage: 346130km-215075mi   Repair Order: 



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Chassis Type: 2K (1K0)
Scan: 01 03 09 15 16 17 19 25 42 46 52 56

VIN: WV1ZZZ2KZ7X012269   Mileage: 346130km-215075miles

00-Steering Angle Sensor -- Status: OK 0000
01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
 
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Address 01: Engine        Labels: 03G-906-016-BDJ.clb
   Part No SW: 03G 906 016 HN    HW: 028 101 227 2
   Component: R4 2,0L EDC 0000SG  7361  
   Revision: 12345678    Serial number: VWZ7Z0F7015055
   Coding: 0003031
   Shop #: WSC 35110 377 00157
   VCID: 76E3CAE201737F8E77-8022

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0 

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK70.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 907 379 P
   Component: ASR FRONT MK70      0105  
   Coding: 0017106
   Shop #: WSC 35110 377 00157
   VCID: 3F8D6FC66EC9FEC664-806A

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels: 3C0-937-049-23-M.lbl
   Part No SW: 3C0 937 049 D    HW: 3C0 937 049 D
   Component: Bordnetz-SG     H37 1002  
   Revision: 00H37000    Serial number: 00000005848402
   Coding: 00884F030004100000000000000000000009FB075C
   Shop #: WSC 35110 377 08192
   VCID: 2A5B2E92854B6B6E23-807E

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 2K2 955 119 C  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer 050606 020  0501  
   Coding: 00038805
   Shop #: WSC 35110  

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW52.lbl
   Part No SW: 6Q0 909 605 AH    HW: 6Q0 909 605 AH
   Component: 09 AIRBAG VW52  023 2400  
   Revision: 04023000    Serial number: 0037TD0AJPEY  
   Coding: 0012345
   Shop #: WSC 35110 377 00157
   VCID: 7DF1D5CE24452CD636-8028

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 BB    HW: 1K0 953 549 BB
   Component: Lenksäulenmodul 035 0070  
   Coding: 0000002
   Shop #: WSC 35110 377 08192
   VCID: 73E5F3F612016AA650-8026

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-17.lbl
   Part No SW: 2K0 920 943 A    HW: 2K0 920 943 A
   Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VDD 1612  
   Revision: V0003000    Serial number: VWZ7Z0F7015055
   Coding: 0017401
   Shop #: WSC 00419 210 12041
   VCID: 2959D19E804D60762A-807C

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 1K0-907-530-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 H    HW: 1K0 907 951 
   Component: J533__Gateway   H04 0010  
   Revision:   H04 02    Serial number: 17050602000960
   Coding: 1D0F014007007401
   Shop #: WSC 35110 377 00157
   VCID: 2C57288A8FBF755ED1-8078

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 2K0 920 943 A    HW: 2K0 920 943 A
   Component: IMMO            VDD 1612  
   Revision: V0003000    Serial number: VWZ7Z0F7015055
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 2959D19E804D60762A-807C

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 1K0-959-793.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 959 793 
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet 02 0160  
   Coding: 0000000
   Shop #: WSC 35110 377 08192
   VCID: 76E3CAE201737F8E77-8022

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 1K0-959-433-MIN.clb
   Part No: 1K0 959 433 AK
   Component:    KSG              0401  
   Coding: 008A0C087F2D84054858010010C0
   Shop #: WSC 00233 210 181960
   VCID: 79F9C1DE306D10F61A-802C

   Subsystem 1 - Component:   Sounder n.mounted     

   Subsystem 2 - Component:       NGS n.mounted     

   Subsystem 3 - Component:      IRUE n.mounted     

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 1K0-959-792.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 959 792 
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet 02 0160  
   Coding: 0000000
   Shop #: WSC 35110 377 08192
   VCID: 75E1CDEE1C7574967E-8020

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio        Labels: 1K0-035-1xx-56.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 035 186 R
   Component: Radio BVX       020 0032  
   Coding: 0020200
   Shop #: WSC 35110 377 08192
   VCID: 35610DEE5CF53496BE-8060

No fault code found.

End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 01:14)--------------------------
 
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You quote it's 861 rpm). Divide by 60 gives you 14.35 revolutions per second, or 69.7 ms / revolution. A revolution is 360 degrees, so each degree is 0.1936 ms, and you've got 6.6 degrees, so the answer should be: 1.2775 ms.

I can see 816 rpm devide by 60 is 14.35 rev per second,, but where do you get 69.7ms from,, i see if you times 0.1936 x by 360 is 69.7 ms. but where did you get 69.7 originally from
as then 0.1936 x the degress such as 6.6 is 1.27776 ms.
 
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1000 ms / second.
14.35 revolutions / second.

1000/14.35 = 69.7 ms/revolution.

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