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Hi there, so I have a car which drove fine....was parked for a week or two but prior to today, it started fine. Anyway i put in a battery which didn't charger properly which gave me a clue the battery was bad. Anyhow, me thinking it was worth a try with a battery booster attached, I tried to turn the car on and it cranked a little however smoke came from the battery side of the engine compartment. Now I don't know where the smoke came from specifically as I was sat in the car. After this the car stopped cranking.
After this I put in another battery from a working car, it now doesn't crank. Ignition comes on, steering lock is off. Everything has plenty of power. Now bearing in mind it used to start just fine until i put a dodgy battery in causing the car to no longer crank. I am thinking it is an electrical issue. I did a continuity test on all the fuses and listened to the relays for clicks. I then removed the air filter and hooked up a multimeter to see if the starter motor is getting any power. The readings are as followed:
(ignition off) red lead on positive terminal battery, black lead on thick black cable to starter motor or near there: 11.72V
battery with ignition on 12.3V
battery with ignition off 12.45V
(ignition off) red lead on thick starter motor cable that comes from the positive terminal battery, black lead on negative terminal battery: 12.43V
(ignition on) red lead on thick starter motor cable that comes from the positive terminal battery, black lead on negative terminal battery: 12.21V
Terminal 30 on power supply on vcds shows 12.2V with ignition on
How can I further diagnose this problem? I have a working VW with same CR diesel engine, I will compare voltage stats on starter to see if they are the same. Although I have voltage readings, only thing I have noticed is drop in voltage with ignition on. The first reading of 11.72V, I'm unsure of where that black cable is coming from. I gave the starter a few light taps but I'm confident starter is mechanically fine unless it has been electronically damaged. Is the ECU damaged, the power supply that sits next to the battery that has all the terminals going to it? VCDS can't seem to find any major faults that I'm noticing, but perhaps you will.
After this I put in another battery from a working car, it now doesn't crank. Ignition comes on, steering lock is off. Everything has plenty of power. Now bearing in mind it used to start just fine until i put a dodgy battery in causing the car to no longer crank. I am thinking it is an electrical issue. I did a continuity test on all the fuses and listened to the relays for clicks. I then removed the air filter and hooked up a multimeter to see if the starter motor is getting any power. The readings are as followed:
(ignition off) red lead on positive terminal battery, black lead on thick black cable to starter motor or near there: 11.72V
battery with ignition on 12.3V
battery with ignition off 12.45V
(ignition off) red lead on thick starter motor cable that comes from the positive terminal battery, black lead on negative terminal battery: 12.43V
(ignition on) red lead on thick starter motor cable that comes from the positive terminal battery, black lead on negative terminal battery: 12.21V
Terminal 30 on power supply on vcds shows 12.2V with ignition on
How can I further diagnose this problem? I have a working VW with same CR diesel engine, I will compare voltage stats on starter to see if they are the same. Although I have voltage readings, only thing I have noticed is drop in voltage with ignition on. The first reading of 11.72V, I'm unsure of where that black cable is coming from. I gave the starter a few light taps but I'm confident starter is mechanically fine unless it has been electronically damaged. Is the ECU damaged, the power supply that sits next to the battery that has all the terminals going to it? VCDS can't seem to find any major faults that I'm noticing, but perhaps you will.
Code:
Friday,23,February,2024,12:26:43:08765
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 23.3.1.0 (x64) HEX-V2 CB: 0.4631.4
Data version: 20230421 DS346.2
www.Ross-Tech.com
VIN: WVWZZZ3CZ9E510398 License Plate: BV09
Mileage: 432470km-268724mi Repair Order: 230224
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Chassis Type: 3C-VW46 (3C0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 25 42 44 46 52 53 56 62 72
VIN: WVWZZZ3CZ9E510398 Mileage: 432470km-268724miles
01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: Malfunction 0010
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
53-Parking Brake -- Status: Malfunction 0010
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
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Address 01: Engine (CBA) Labels: 03L-906-022-CBA.clb
Part No SW: 03L 906 022 BL HW: 03L 907 309
Component: R4 2,0L EDC 0001SG 6221
Revision: --H01--- Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
Coding: 0000072
Shop #: WSC 26214 051 00000
VCID: 70B92CF996A1305AFFB-8024
VINID: 9E69EAAAA0D3A895450400C920343BEA34
8 Faults Found:
009754 - Coolant Pump 2
P261A - 000 - Open circuit - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100000
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 254
Reset counter: 255
Mileage: 418288 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2018.07.16
Time: 16:18:57
Freeze Frame:
RPM: 4209 /min
Speed: 72.0 km/h
Voltage: 13.76 V
Lambda: 95.5 %
Bin. Bits: 10011111
Bin. Bits: 00000000
Temperature: 81.0°C
008213 - Intake Manifold Flap Position Sensor (Bank 1)
P2015 - 000 - Implausible Signal - MIL ON
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 11100000
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 254
Reset counter: 255
Mileage: 417024 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2018.07.16
Time: 13:23:30
Freeze Frame:
RPM: 0 /min
Speed: 0.0 km/h
Load: 0.0 %
Lambda: 11.8 %
Lambda: -1.6 %
Voltage: 0.380 V
Bin. Bits: 10000001
000256 - Mass Air Flow Sensor (G70)
P0100 - 000 - Supply Voltage - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100000
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 5
Reset counter: 255
Mileage: 430469 km
Time Indication: 0
Freeze Frame:
RPM: 920 /min
Speed: 62.0 km/h
Voltage: 7.37 V
Load: 100.0 %
Load: 100.0 %
Mass Air / Rev.: 270.0 mg/str
Mass Air / Rev.: 490.0 mg/str
000257 - Mass Air Flow Sensor (G70)
P0101 - 000 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100000
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 5
Reset counter: 255
Mileage: 0 km
Time Indication: 0
Freeze Frame:
RPM: 1817 /min
Speed: 67.0 km/h
Voltage: 6.38 V
Load: 100.0 %
Load: 100.0 %
Mass Air / Rev.: 605.0 mg/str
Mass Air / Rev.: 450.0 mg/str
000258 - Mass Air Flow Sensor (G70)
P0102 - 000 - Signal too Low - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100000
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 7
Reset counter: 255
Mileage: 430437 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2018.07.16
Time: 09:22:07
Freeze Frame:
RPM: 0 /min
Speed: 0.0 km/h
Voltage: 5.32 V
Load: 100.0 %
Load: 100.0 %
Mass Air / Rev.: 705.0 mg/str
Mass Air / Rev.: 0.0 mg/str
008825 - Leak in Air Intake System
P2279 - 000 - - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100000
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 255
Mileage: 430558 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2018.07.16
Time: 17:32:51
Freeze Frame:
RPM: 1357 /min
Speed: 35.0 km/h
Temperature: 24.3°C
Absolute Pres.: 989.4 mbar
(no units): 204.0
(no units): 0.38
Temperature: 79.2°C
009571 - Turbocharger Boost Control Position Sensor Circuit
P2563 - 000 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100000
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 31
Reset counter: 255
Mileage: 431597 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2018.07.16
Time: 21:35:27
Freeze Frame:
RPM: 207 /min
Speed: 5.0 km/h
Voltage: 12.08 V
Lambda: 77.3 %
Lambda: -13.4 %
Bin. Bits: 00001110
Voltage: 1.900 V
001378 - System Voltage
P0562 - 000 - Too Low - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100000
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 255
Time Indication: 0
Freeze Frame:
RPM: 0 /min
Speed: 0.0 km/h
Load: 0.0 %
Voltage: 12.01 V
Voltage: 12.01 V
Voltage: 12.01 V
Voltage: 12.01 V
Readiness: 1 5 0 0 0
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Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels:. 3C0-614-109-C4.clb
Part No SW: 3C0 614 109 P HW: 3C0 614 109 P
Component: J104 C4 440 V2 0011
Revision: --025--- Serial number: 00000785785867
Coding: 0003346
Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
VCID: 2B03FB957F0713828A9-807E
3 Faults Found:
01299 - Diagnostic Interface for Data Bus (J533)
000 - -
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100000
Fault Priority: 6
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 12
Mileage: 432477 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2018.07.16
Time: 00:06:28
Freeze Frame:
Speed: 0.0 km/h
Hex Value: 0x0000
Voltage: 12.25 V
Bin. Bits: 00011110
Count: 227
Hex Value: 0x0000
01044 - Control Module Incorrectly Coded
000 - -
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100000
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 12
Mileage: 432477 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2018.07.16
Time: 00:06:28
Freeze Frame:
Speed: 0.0 km/h
Hex Value: 0x0000
Voltage: 12.25 V
Bin. Bits: 00011110
Count: 149
Hex Value: 0x0000
00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85)
005 - No or Incorrect Basic Setting / Adaptation
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100000
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 12
Mileage: 432477 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2018.07.16
Time: 00:06:28
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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255) Labels:| 5K0-907-044.clb
Part No SW: 5K0 907 044 HW: 5K0 907 044
Component: Climatronic 120 0202
Revision: 00002001
Coding: 0000000000
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
ASAM Dataset: EV_Climatronic A01001
ROD: EV_ClimaAutoBasis_VW46.rod
VCID: 68894499A2F1F89AA7B-803C
No fault code found.
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Address 09: Cent. Elect. Labels:. 3C0-937-049-30-H.lbl
Part No SW: 3C8 937 049 E HW: 3C8 937 049 E
Component: Bordnetz-SG H54 2602
Revision: 00H54000 Serial number: 00000008533969
Coding: E0800F8B0004100047970F00170000000008FF475C40017C170000000000
Shop #: WSC 05124 000 00000
VCID: 3333E3F5A7374B42C29-8066
Subsystem 1 - Part No: 3C8 955 119 A Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
Component: Wischer 300408 022 0602
Coding: 00046997
Shop #: WSC 05124
Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 955 559 AH Labels: 1K0-955-559-AG.CLB
Component: RLS 250608 054 0402
Coding: 00209133
Shop #: WSC 05124
No fault code found.
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Address 15: Airbags Labels: 5N0-959-655.lbl
Part No SW: 5N0 959 655 A HW: 5N0 959 655 A
Component: J234__301 VW10 HI 1815
Revision: 19013000 Serial number: 0039DPBTGKZW
Coding: 0012337
Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
VCID: 3B23CBD58F6783021A9-806E
Subsystem 1 - Serial number: 6333FTS638111258
Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6343FTS646901268
Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6353ETS63JLLTVNH
Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6363ETS6S3FMTVNP
Subsystem 5 - Serial number: 00000000000000000
Subsystem 6 - Serial number: 00000000000000000
No fault code found.
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Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 3C0-953-549-SW25.lbl
Part No SW: 3C0 953 549 AJ HW: 3C0 953 549 AJ
Component: J0527 0025
Revision: 00030000 Serial number: 3C5953507BN
Coding: 0000501
Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
VCID: 74B120E9E2B90C7A1B3-8020
Subsystem 1 - Part No: 3C8 959 537 Labels: 3C8-959-537.CLB
Component: E221__MFL-TAP H2ÿ 0021
Coding: 00000226
Shop #: WSC 00000
No fault code found.
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Address 17: Instruments (J285) Labels:| 3C8-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
Part No SW: 3C8 920 970 A HW: 3C8 920 970 A
Component: KOMBI H19 0023
Serial number: 00000000000000
Coding: 440F00
Shop #: WSC 05311 115 00000
ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04020
ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_VW46.rod
VCID: 2A0DFE917C7D0A8A71F-807E
No fault code found.
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Address 19: CAN Gateway Labels:. 3C0-907-530-V2.clb
Part No SW: 3C0 907 530 H HW: &_
Component: J533__Gateway &_ 0142
Revision: &_ Serial number: À00P085300F98
Coding: F9807F060002020000
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 26150AA164E52EEA557-8072
No fault code found.
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Address 25: Immobilizer Labels: 3C0-959-433-25.clb
Part No SW: 3C0 959 433 R HW: 3C0 959 433 R
Component: IMMO 042 0383
Revision: 00042000 Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
Shop #: WSC 00400 210 83203
VCID: 392FD1DD855BB112085-806C
Subsystem 1 - Part No: 3C0 905 861 J
Component: ELV 029 0380
3C0905861J ELV 029 0380
No fault code found.
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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver Labels:. 1K0-959-701-MAX3.clb
Part No SW: 1T0 959 701 L HW: 1K0 959 793 P
Component: J386 TUER-SG FT 1532
Revision: 71009005 Serial number: 00000611488607
Coding: 0000693
Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
VCID: 40D9BC39E681E0DA4FB-8014
No fault code found.
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Address 44: Steering Assist Labels: 1K0-909-14x-GEN3.clb
Part No: 1K0 909 144 C
Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl. 207 2301
Revision: 00H15000
Shop #: WSC 02069 000 90108
VCID: 2A0DFE9170FD0A8A71F-807E
1 Fault Found:
00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85)
000 - - - MIL ON
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 11100000
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 255
Mileage: 432477 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2018.07.16
Time: 00:06:28
Freeze Frame:
Battery Volts: 12.3 V
DD
Temperature: 7.0°C
Count: 2
Steering Angle: 0.00°
Count: 1
SteerAng n.Init
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Address 46: Central Conv. Labels:. 3C0-959-433-46.clb
Part No SW: 3C0 959 433 R HW: 3C0 959 433 R
Component: KSG PQ46 ELV 042 0472
Revision: 00042000 Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
Coding: 01910A0001860E763604941570085FCE107C01
Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
VCID: 392FD1DD855BB112085-806C
Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 D
Component: LIN BACKUP HORN H08 9001
Subsystem 2 - Part No: 3C0 951 171 C
Component: Neigungssensor 004 0611
Subsystem 3 - Part No: 3C0 951 171 C
Component: Innenraumueberw.004 0611
No fault code found.
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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. Labels:. 1K0-959-702-MAX3.clb
Part No SW: 1T0 959 702 L HW: 1K0 959 792 P
Component: J387 TUER-SG BT 1532
Revision: 71009005 Serial number: 00000255488609
Coding: 0000692
Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
VCID: 41DFB93DED8BE9D2405-8014
No fault code found.
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Address 53: Parking Brake Labels: 5N0-907-801.clb
Part No SW: 3C8 907 801 A HW: 3C8 907 801 A
Component: J540 EPB3 VW-10498 0003
Revision: 008 Serial number: 00000000047365
Coding: 0000057
Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
VCID: 280904996EF1389A67B-807C
2 Faults Found:
02432 - Supply Voltage for Left Parking Brake Motor (V282)
011 - Open Circuit - MIL ON
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 11101011
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 12
Mileage: 432477 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2018.07.16
Time: 00:06:28
Freeze Frame:
Voltage: 12.30 V
Count: 30
Speed: 0.0 km/h
Hex Value: 0x1261
Hex Value: 0x0001
Hex Value: 0x0110
02442 - Function Lamp in Control Head
009 - Open or Short to Ground - MIL ON
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 11101001
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 12
Mileage: 432477 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2018.07.16
Time: 00:06:29
Freeze Frame:
Voltage: 11.90 V
Count: 81
Speed: 0.0 km/h
Hex Value: 0x1271
Hex Value: 0x0001
Hex Value: 0x0110
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Address 56: Radio (J0503) Labels:. 5M0-035-1xx-56.clb
Part No SW: 3C8 035 195 HW: 3C8 035 195
Component: Radio RCD510 036 0130
Revision: 00000001 Serial number: VWZ1Z3H3254141
Coding: 0500040004
Shop #: WSC 05314 000 00000
VCID: 65974DAD5563E5F29CD-8030
No fault code found.
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Address 62: Door, Rear Left Labels:. 1K0-959-703-GEN3.clb
Part No SW: 3C8 959 703 B HW: 1K0 959 795 Q
Component: J388 TUER-SG HL 0309
Revision: 43004101 Serial number: 00000000444284
Coding: 0000144
Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
VCID: 313FE9FD5D2B7952B05-8064
No fault code found.
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Address 72: Door, Rear Right Labels:. 1K0-959-704-GEN3.clb
Part No SW: 3C8 959 704 B HW: 1K0 959 794 Q
Component: J388 TUER-SG HR 0309
Revision: 43004101 Serial number: 00000000442392
Coding: 0000144
Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
VCID: 323DE6F1582D424AC9F-8066
No fault code found.
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