Cheaters? Recalls? Discuss

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http://forums.ross-tech.com/showthread.php?4472-02-audi-a4-1-8t/page2



A side note:

This is a great example as to what is talking place inside a later TSI/TFSI/TDI engines...... I am always running my big mouth about.
This and the over lap......... cause serious carbon or contamination at ports.....and CAT or EGR/DPF issues.

Ever see the oil leaking so much in #4 that it runs down that side, along with from VC ...........further takes out seal swelling it to Wasser Pump on TSI?


The thing that will be interesting to see is that after the TDI cars are made to use more fuel via re-flash to get shit fuel mileage.......What will that result in ash in EGR/DPF/regen x4 or PSI sensors damaged and even more stuck exhaust flaps!
 
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Also:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015...ors-idUSKCN0T831M20151120#Tu52OtVaM1tk3Aqg.97

Volkswagen faces pressure in U.S. to buy back older diesel cars

Volkswagen (VOWG_p.DE), which is set to provide detailed plans to fix vehicles that do not comply with U.S. emissions standards, faced more pressure on Thursday from officials in Washington and California to buy back older diesel cars.

A California Air Resources Board spokesman said officials at the automaker are scheduled to meet Friday with CARB and the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency to present detailed proposals for recalling and fixing about 482,000 vehicles sold in the United States with diesel engines that emit more smog-forming pollutants than allowed by law.

California has set a Nov. 20 deadline for Volkswagen to come up with a plan to fix the diesel cars affected by its rigging of emissions tests. The carmaker said in September that around 11 million diesel powered cars were affected worldwide, including 482,000 in the United States.

"I am personally hopeful we will be able to announce something soon about the remedies ... and which we are discussing with the agencies in upcoming days," Michael Horn, head of Volkswagen's U.S. operations, said at the Los Angeles Auto Show on Wednesday.

The CARB spokesman also confirmed that the agency's head, Mary Nichols, told the German daily Handelsblatt that Volkswagen might have to buy back some of the older diesel models. "I think it is quite likely that they will end up buying back at least some portion of the fleet from the current owners," the paper quoted Nichols as saying in an interview to be published on Friday. Newer cars might get easy software fixes and medium generation ones might need software and hardware components to fix the issue, Nichols said, according to the paper. But older cars might have to be repurchased rather than fitted with new pollution control devices.

Separately, U.S. Senators Ed Markey of Massachusetts and Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut on Thursday released a letter calling on the automaker to buy back diesel vehicles that don't meet pollution standards. The lawmakers noted that Volkswagen had signaled it could buy back cars sold in Europe that have inaccurate carbon dioxide emissions ratings.

Volkswagen has admitted understating CO2 emissions, and thus understating fuel consumption, for about 800,000 vehicles sold in Europe, and possibly more.

“We additionally urge you to offer drivers the fair market value for these vehicles that was in place before VW’s illegal activity was made publicly known,” the lawmakers wrote.

VW spokeswoman Jeannine Ginivan declined to comment Thursday on the prospects of a U.S. buyback for some of the diesel vehicles. She said VW planned to meet with U.S. regulators on Friday to lay out plans and discuss remedies to fix the 482,000 vehicles.
 
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For the European EA 189 engines:

http://www.gizmag.com/volkswagen-diesel-cheat-fix/40625/

Volkswagen proposes simple technical fixes for diesel cheat in Europe

AARON TURPEN NOVEMBER 27, 2015


The Volkswagen Group has been in a lot of hot water since the "dieselgate" scandal began. When it came to light that VW had been using a "defeat device" on its diesel vehicles to circumvent official emission testing procedures, the company quickly admitted to its wrongdoing and has been working to comply with regulators and find a fix. In Europe, that fix may be very simple. This week, the German authorities accepted the small technical change and software upgrade proposed by VW.

The software defeat device that the Volkswagen Group (which includes VW, Porsche, Audi, and others) used to cheat regulations was implemented on several of the company's diesel vehicles globally. In Europe, two of the engines under investigation are a 1.6-liter and 2.0-liter diesel labeled EA 189. These utilized engine software that detected when the vehicle was being compliance tested and changed the output metrics in order to win approval. Thus the recorded nitrogen oxide (NOx) emissions were compliant despite being much higher than allowed during normal use.

Volkswagen has proposed a simple engine change and a software fix that would force the two EA 189 engines to be compliant with European emissions regulations. The proposal has secured the approval of the German Federal Motor Transport Authority (Kraftfahrtbundesamt or KBA). With the KBA's ratification, VW is now working on technical updates that will start being rolled out to the first recalled vehicles in January 2016. Volkswagen's other brands, including Audi, SEAT, SKODA, and their commercial vehicle arm, will be creating corresponding measures for their affected vehicles.

The fix for the 1.6-liter diesel engine is the replacement of a section of clean air intake to add a straight, non-baffled piece of pipe called a "flow transformer" directly ahead of the air mass sensor (also called an air flow meter). This sensor determines the amount of air mass throughput, which in turn affects engine management parameters for optimum combustion. The new pipe, which extends from the air filter to the air mass sensor, will allow a straight flow of air for a much more accurate measurement of air mass passing through to the intake.

Volkswagen says that the current flow pipe in that location baffles the air, making measurements inaccurate. Once the new flow straightener is installed, a software update will be performed to accommodate the new addition. VW estimates that the time for these fixes will be less than an hour. The larger 2.0-liter engines will only require changes to the software and, as such, the update should take around half an hour to complete.

Volkswagen says that these fixes will make the two EA 189 engines compliant with emissions requirements. VW is also promising a similar technical solution for affected 1.2-liter diesel engines, which will be delivered to the KBA before the end of November 2015.

The company advises that the changes are not expected to have adverse effects on engine output or fuel economy, but that until all vehicle models affected are tested after the updates, the results cannot be assured.

Due to the large number of vehicles affected, the update program is expected to run for the whole of 2016, and VW is foregoing statute of limitations rights in warranties and guarantees on vehicles with EA 189 engines until December next year.

VW says that complementary mobility options such as loan vehicles and rides to and from the dealerships doing the work will be provided while recalled vehicles are being updated.

In North America, Volkswagen is undergoing a similar process to find compliance fixes for its diesel vehicles. Proposals are before the US Environmental Protection Agency and the California Air Resources Board for consideration.

Source: Volkswagen
 
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^^^^^^ Mine!!!!! Mine!!!!! Mine!!!!! ^^^^^^

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Well it appears that someone ::insert "California" here:: is forcing VW's hand.
Having buyers/customers that are angry/peeved over what they thought was a "green" and environmentally responsible automobile choice is one thing. Having customers that are no longer able to have their cars on the road and incurring fines if those cars continue to operate in a given State is a whole different ball game.
This. On the one hand, California will be California, but on the other, I'm glad something's being done and VW's "we'll fix your Gen1 (CBEA, CJAA) end of 2016, maybe" attitude isn't being tolerated.
 
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Lies, damn lies, and statistics????? :confused:

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/s/vw-co2-manipulations-affect-far-fewer-cars-reported-103122834--finance.html

VW says CO2 emissions scandal not as bad as feared

Reuters
December 9, 2015
By Andreas Cremer

BERLIN (Reuters) - Volkswagen <VOWG_p.DE> understated carbon dioxide emissions on many fewer vehicles than initially feared, it said on Wednesday, providing some relief to the automaker as it battles a wider diesel emissions scandal affecting up to 11 million cars.

Europe's biggest motor manufacturer said its investigations found it had understated fuel consumption, and so carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions, on only about 36,000 vehicles, compared with its preliminary estimate of around 800,000.

It also said it had found no evidence of unlawful changing of CO2 emissions data.

"We view this as positive and suspect that the previously guided for negative earnings impact of 2 billion euros will in fact end up being materially lower," said Evercore ISI analyst Arndt Ellinghorst, referring to Volkswagen's (VW) initial estimate of the cost of inaccurate CO2 data.

At 1405 GMT (0905 EDT), VW's preference shares were up 7.3 percent at 133.05 euros.

VW's update came as its supervisory board was meeting to discuss progress with the investigations it launched in September after admitting to cheating diesel emissions tests in the United States. It said two months later it had also understated CO2 emissions on both diesel and petrol vehicles.

Chief Executive Matthias Mueller and Chairman Hans Dieter Poetsch will publish intermediate results from the inquiries at 1000 GMT (0500 EDT) on Thursday. They will not reveal names of those responsible, but may explain why the company failed to find the wrongdoing, two people familiar with the matter said.

While understating CO2 emissions was the smaller of the two scandals engulfing VW, some analysts had said it could have a bigger impact on sales, arguing drivers might be more worried about fuel economy than pollution.

"The scale of VW's problems appears to be declining," said NordLB analyst Frank Schope.

However, he kept a "sell" rating on VW shares, forecasting its global sales would fall as much as 4 percent next year in an industry that looks likely to grow by a similar amount.

Industry data last week showed sales of VW-brand vehicles in Britain plunged 20 percent in November compared with the same month the year before, following a similar drop in the United States.

Ernst-Robert Nouvertne, who runs two VW dealerships near Cologne in Germany, didn't think Wednesday's update would greatly restore consumer confidence in the business.

"This is all very technical stuff. What the consumer will bear in mind is that VW has fudged emissions data, and I'm certain this will cause us lasting problems with our sales."

FRESH QUESTIONS

VW's update also raised fresh questions about its handling of its scandals, which have wiped almost a fifth off the value of its preference shares, forced out its long-time CEO and driven it to its first quarterly loss in at least 15 years.

The company said its initial estimate of vehicles with misleading CO2 emissions data was a "worst case scenario" which had not come true.

In November, VW listed 130 models from group brands including Audi and Skoda as being affected.

On Wednesday, it said its most recent measurements showed only nine VW-badged models with higher than stated CO2 levels.

Emissions of those models, including the 2.0 liter TDI Golf hatchback and the 2.0 liter TDI Passat, deviated on average by "a few grams" from what had been declared, corresponding to 0.1-0.2 liters of extra fuel usage per 100 kilometers, it said.

VW has set aside around 6.7 billion euros to help meet the costs of its diesel emissions scandal, but analysts think the final bill could run into tens of billions of euros to cover regulatory fines, lawsuits and vehicle refits.

Wednesday's board meeting will also hear from the head of the company's Audi brand on what steps he plans to take to fix luxury diesel cars fitted with software found to have enabled its engines to evade U.S. emissions limits.

($1 = 0.9146 euros)



(Editing by Georgina Prodhan and Mark Potter)
 
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Finally!
 
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A bag of money???

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It sorta kinda is...

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Yeah, sorta kinda, maybe :) $500 debit card you can use anywhere, and $500 valid at dealer only. Both have to be activated at dealer after proof of ownership is verified (so I can't trade that car in before I get the bribe money activated).
 
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I bet that was a major goal of the program -- to stave off or at least spread out a collapse in the resale market value due to oversupply. Drop in resale value means damages to the class-action lawyers. To get your bribe, you have to keep the car for a couple months, and by then a lot of people will have gotten over their outrage.

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I dunno about in the US, but over here (NZ), nobody seems to give a crap... except Toyota drivers, trying to forget about the "unintended acceleration" issue :D It seems to me, that most people who have an issue with it, see a way to maybe get something for free.

We have a 2013 2.0 BiTDi T5 Transporter at work - If we had been terribly concerned about it's emmisions, we'd probably drive it nicer :thumbs:

We don't have any emissions testing anyway.

PS, If I was desperate enough to own a Toyota, and had the unintended acceleration issue, I'd have been IMPRESSED! It would have finally done something exciting!
 
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I dunno about in the US, but over here (NZ), nobody seems to give a crap...
Lotta TDI drivers in the US have the same attitude: VW is not going to "update" my ECU software with new software that applies MORE EGR, retards injection timing, or increases Adblue consumption (the latter probably being the least problematical).

PS, If I was desperate enough to own a Toyota, and had the unintended acceleration issue, I'd have been IMPRESSED! It would have finally done something exciting!
Yeah, but you'd probably have the wherewithall to press the brakes HARD, push in the clutch (or slap the slushbox into neutral) or maybe even turn off the ignition instead of just going for a several minute-long unintended ride to the scene of a crash. :D

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Yeah I'm not overly concerned with baby-killing NOx pollution in northern Montgomery County, Pennsylvania. However we had been patiently waiting for VW to finally "reveal" the 2016 Passat (that was hopefully going to be diagnostically interesting, otherwise we'd have gotten a 5-spd 2015 MY) and trade that car in for one. The value of our TDI has sunk several thousands $ in the meantime. Then they got us a second time (or 3rd time if you count the dick move of removing manual transmissions for the 2016 models) by reducing the loyalty bonus from $1500 in November to $1000 in December. So waiting for those $500 + (sort of) $500 to finally arrive in the mail has already cost us $500, plus a manual transmission car. If they wanted people to buy Toyotas, they couldn't do it any better :)
 
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