2009 Jetta TDI - no start, no crank, no noise

[blimes69]

Hello everyone,

I have noticed my 2009 TDI wagon cranking longer than usual and then when it feels like it is about to start I stop turning the key and it does not start. Sometimes I have to try 3 or 4 times and eventually it will go. After a week of starting like that the car will not crank or make any noise at all when I turn the key. If I do not try and start it for a while I may hear one click that sounds like it is coming from the relay in the front but then if I try again there is no noise from the engine bay at all while turning over. beside what I figure is the fuel system when turning the key to the first position. I have attached an auto-scan and there is an 00927 code that has to do with the Terminal 30 relay in the under hood fuse box. Any thoughts?

I appreciated the help!

Monday,11,December,2023,15:02:10:60169
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 11 x64
VCDS Version: 23.11.0.0 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4643.4
Data version: 20231027 DS351.0
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VIN: 3VWML81K19M357945   License Plate:


Chassis Type: 1K (1K0)
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 25 42 44 46 4F 52 56 62 72

VIN: 3VWML81K19M357945  

01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: Malfunction 0010
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: Malfunction 0010
44-Steering Assist -- Status: Malfunction 0010
46-Central Conv. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
4F-Centr. Electr. II -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
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Address 01: Engine (CBE)       Labels: 03L-906-022-CBE.clb
   Part No SW: 03L 997 030 H    HW: 03L 906 022 J
   Component: R4 2.0l TDI G001AG  9983 
   Revision: 12H01---    Serial number: VWX7Z0I424L0JC
   Coding: 0350078
   Shop #: WSC 11361 004 1048576
   VCID: 33330FE0F73BD802E21-8066
   VINID: 0E69DD70805B04974314724414FB388CC3

1 Fault Found:
008213 - Intake Manifold Flap Position Sensor (Bank 1)
               P2015 - 000 - Implausible Signal - MIL ON
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 11100000
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 35
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 130481 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 14:07:27

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 0 /min
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Voltage: 12.54 V
                    Lambda: -11.0 %
                    Lambda: 4.7 %
                    Bin. Bits: 00001110
                    Voltage: 3.800 V

Readiness: 1 1 0 0 0

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Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 02E-927-770.clb
   Part No SW: 02E 300 052     HW: 02E 927 770 AJ
   Component: GSG DSG AG6     440 8938 
   Revision: 04844002    Serial number: 00000904091419
   Coding: 0000020
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 51FF65686DE78A12F0D-8004

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (-----)       Labels:. 1K0-907-379-60EC1F.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 CE    HW: 1K0 907 379 AE
   Component: ESP MK60EC1   H35 0120 
   Revision: 00H35001   
   Coding: 113B600D49270001881406E8921E0042B100
   Shop #: WSC 25113 002 1048576
   VCID: 77ABFBF0AFC3F4221E9-8022

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 1K0-820-047.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 820 047 JE    HW: 1K0 820 047 JE
   Component: Climatic PQ35   143 1313 
   Revision: 00143033    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 70B9C0ECC6ADA31ADF3-8024

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels:. 3C0-937-049-30-M.lbl
   Part No SW: 3C8 937 049 D    HW: 3C8 937 049 D
   Component: Bordnetz-SG     H54 2602 
   Revision: 00H54000    Serial number: 00000009498982
   Coding: 14898F2340041500070000001C000000000873075C000120000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 323D0AE40821D10AE97-8066

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K1 955 119 E  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer 020609 021  0501 
   Coding: 00038805
   Shop #: WSC 00000 

1 Fault Found:
00927 - Terminal 30 (Right)
            011 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101011
                    Fault Priority: 1
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 37
                    Mileage: 132346 km
                    Time Indication: 0

             Freeze Frame:
                        OFF
                    Voltage: 12.30 V
                        OFF
                        ON
                        OFF
                        OFF
                        OFF


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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 1K0-909-605.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 909 605 AD    HW: 1K0 909 605 AD
   Component: 07 AIRBAG VW8R  036 8900 
   Revision: 06036000    Serial number: 003EVM00A1PK 
   Coding: 0012343
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 6E85DE94DC99B5EACDF-803A

   Subsystem 1 - Serial number: 6332MSME47130D032

   Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6342MSME74426D0FN

   Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6351HSME00250727X

   Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6361HSME00252708Z

   Subsystem 5 - Serial number: 63727SME1C204874+

   Subsystem 6 - Serial number: 63827SME1C1E487AI

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY9.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 CP    HW: 1K0 953 549 CP
   Component: J0527           053 0111 
   Coding: 0001032
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 025D9A24F801A18A397-8056

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments
Cannot be reached

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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels:. 1K0-907-530-V4.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 T    HW: 1K0 907 951
   Component: J533  Gateway   H06 0071 
   Revision:   H06 01    Serial number: 180409F2000342
   Coding: ED807F06000203002002
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 382938CCEE5D3B5AD73-806C

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 920 854 D    HW: 1K0 920 854 D
   Component: IMMO            3HL 1222 
   Revision: V0002000    Serial number: VWX7Z0I424L0JC
   Shop #: WSC 57104 004 1048576
   VCID: 2C01149C2A0587FAA3B-8078

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels:. 1K0-959-701-MIN3.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 701 AC    HW: 1K0 959 793 N
   Component: J386  TUER-SG FT    1519 
   Revision: 72009005    Serial number: 00000764998518
   Coding: 0001205
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 6FBBC390DB93BCE2C69-803A

3 Faults Found:
01552 - Motor for Central Locking; Drivers Door (V56); Lock
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101100
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 57
                    Reset counter: 27
                    Mileage: 0 km
                    Time Indication: 0

00928 - Locking Module for Central Locking; Front Driver Side (F220)
            008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00111000
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 28
                    Reset counter: 31
                    Mileage: 0 km
                    Time Indication: 0

00105 - Signal Central Locking SAVE/LOCK Drivers Side
            008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101000
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 200
                    Reset counter: 36
                    Mileage: 0 km
                    Time Indication: 0


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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1K0-909-14x-GEN3.clb
   Part No: 1K0 909 144 E
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl. 70     2501 
   Revision: 00H15000   
   Shop #: WSC 02069 000 90108
   VCID: 2C01149C2A0587FAA3B-8078

1 Fault Found:
00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85)
            000 - - - MIL ON
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 11100000
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Time Indication: 0

             Freeze Frame:
                    Battery Volts: 12.2 V
                        PD
                    Temperature: 7.0°C
                    Count: 2
                    Steering Angle: 0.00°
                    Count: 0
                        SteerAng n.Init


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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels:. 1K0-959-433-MAX.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 CA    HW: 1K0 959 433 CA
   Component:    KSG PQ35 G2  020 0204 
   Revision: 00020000    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 139007885283281B0904058FB0880F0488FCA0
   Shop #: WSC 57104 004 1048576
   VCID: 71BFC5E8CDA7AA12D0D-8024

   Subsystem 1 - Component:   Sounder n.mounted    

   Subsystem 2 - Component:       NGS n.mounted    

   Subsystem 3 - Component:      IRUE n.mounted    

1 Fault Found:
00332 - Control Circuit for Tank Flap
            007 - Short to Ground
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100111
                    Fault Priority: 4
                    Fault Frequency: 47
                    Reset counter: 252
                    Time Indication: 0


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Address 4F: Centr. Electr. II (J533)       Labels:. 1K0-907-532.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 532     HW: 1K0 907 951
   Component: J533  Gateway H06 0071 
   Revision:   H06 01    Serial number: 180409F2000342
   Coding: 050B0500
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 6695A6B4F8697DAAB5F-8032

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8R0 959 591     HW: 8R0 959 591
   Component: J245EE16SKB10  H01 0180
   Serial number: 0123456789ABCDEFGHIJ

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8R0 959 591     HW: 8R0 959 591
   Component: J394EE16SKB10  H01 0180
   Serial number: 0123456789ABCDEFGHIJ

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels:. 1K0-959-702-MIN3.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 702 AC    HW: 1K0 959 792 N
   Component: J387  TUER-SG BT    1519 
   Revision: 72009005    Serial number: 08122702515203
   Coding: 0001204
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 70B9C0ECC6ADA31ADF3-8024

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio        Labels: 1K0-035-1xx-56.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 035 180 M    HW: 1K0 035 180 M
   Component: Radio DE2       016 0020 
   Revision: 00016000    Serial number: VWZ4Z7J3168239
   Coding: 0040401
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 2A0D128420F199CA517-807E

No fault code found.

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Address 62: Door, Rear Left        Labels:. 1K0-959-703-GEN3.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 703 AH    HW: 1K0 959 795 T
   Component: J388   TUER-SG HL   1401 
   Revision: 12006001    Serial number: 00000003957376
   Coding: 0001168
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 76B5F6F4A4C98D2A05F-8022

No fault code found.

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right        Labels: None
   Part No SW: 3C0 959 704 C    HW: 3C0 959 794 D
   Component: J389   TUER-SG HR   1509 
   Revision: 12008001    Serial number: 00000007145014
   Coding: 0001168
   Shop #: WSC 08224 016 263172
   VCID: 2B0317802F0B80C2AA1-807E

No fault code found.

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[SaVAGeSoot]

Well, you have an intake flap code for starters... have you looked into that?
Choking the engine would certainly make it harder to start no?

 

[Jetta 97]

Well, you have an intake flap code for starters... have you looked into that?
Choking the engine would certainly make it harder to start no?

That is not going to make any difference in TDI.


To OP,
Did you check do you get 12V at starter while key is in cracking position?

 

[SaVAGeSoot]

That is not going to make any difference in TDI.

From what I recall, the swirl flaps are supposed to be fully open during "starting", so if they are jammed shut, it could potentially create a very rich starting mixture due to insufficient oxygen during cranking.... not sure how quickly the ECU can adjust starting parameter during cranking when there's no MAF measurements and all those other signals that it typically relies on when adjusting the mixture once it actually fires up and can reply on lambda sensors, GP pressure sensors, MAF\MAP signals, etc.

Obviously, this only applies to the "hard to start" scenario... if it's not cranking, it doesn't matter.

If he's got a weak starter\battery combo, he may not be reaching the required min rpm during cranking, so that could also be a thing....

 

[blimes69]

Hey all,
Turns out it was a bad relay in the under hood fuse box.

Cheers.

I have addressed the P2015 code and have the little bolt on attachment to stop if from getting out of position however the light still intermittently comes on. Do you think it would be worth taking the intake manifold apart?

 

[Jetta 97]

Hey all,
Turns out it was a bad relay in the under hood fuse box.

Cheers.

I have addressed the P2015 code and have the little bolt on attachment to stop if from getting out of position however the light still intermittently comes on. Do you think it would be worth taking the intake manifold apart?

Here is the cheaper fix for that :

P2015 Manifold Fix for VW Common Rail TDI

So, you have a TDI with a P2015 error code and your friendly local VW or Audi dealer has quoted you over $900 to fix it? Well, you've come to the right place.

dieselgeek.com

 

[blimes69]

Here is the cheaper fix for that :

P2015 Manifold Fix for VW Common Rail TDI

So, you have a TDI with a P2015 error code and your friendly local VW or Audi dealer has quoted you over $900 to fix it? Well, you've come to the right place.

dieselgeek.com

I have that exact piece installed am still intermittently having the code come on and off…

 

[blimes69]

Hello again,

So after replacing the relay '100' in my under hood fuse box with a relay I grabbed from the auto wrecker near my house my car seemed to be fine for several weeks until once again there was the same no start issue as stated before with the same VCDS codes as posted above showing. I once again replaced the relay with a new relay this time and the car immediately started and the "terminal 30" code was gone. Now 3 weeks later I am in the same situation; I have put in a new relay but am getting nothing.

Before I originally replaced the relay the first time I pulled and jumped the starter directly and it seemed to function properly as well. Also this is likely a coincidence but this only has happened while the car is parked at home for the night with temperatures around 0 to -5 degrees C.

So far I have:
Checked all fuses for damage and or excessive heat
Checked wiring for damage or melting
Checked all ground
Replaced ignition switch with one that the wrecker gave me because he thought it could be that if it wasn't the relay as well and felt bad for me owning a VW..

The weird thing to me is that replacing the relay the first two times immediately solved the problem and now I am getting nothing. It obviously seems that something is killing my relays but why am I now getting nothing at all with this new one...