Jetta Hybrid 2013: no-start , no comm with battery control module (BCM, address 8c)

[Viking]

Alfa, by your own admission you don't own VCDS. The forum here exists to help owners of Ross Tech products (VCDS) and full membership is dependent on owning this. That's the reason you're not allowed to post in many forum sections, because you're not a Ross Tech customer.

 

[alfa]

Alfa, by your own admission you don't own VCDS. The forum here exists to help owners of Ross Tech products (VCDS) and full membership is dependent on owning this. That's the reason you're not allowed to post in many forum sections, because you're not a Ross Tech customer.

And how can I be helped on the forum if I can’t? And I don't even have a button to reply. I work with fuel systems from many manufacturers, I know the test plans of each plant and all VAG injectors.
I'm not asking for help, and I don't want to buy VCDS. I can’t understand why they’re prohibiting me from helping.? I participated in the coding of MK100. I’ve done a lot on the A0 platform.. I know more about fuel than anyone else...
The problem is that I can’t help you, I don’t have the right to answer in repair topics.
Therefore, you correctly answered that the forum should only help owners who bought VCDS. I didn't buy it. I'm not asking for help, you are asking me for help. I am ready to provide it, but you refuse, because I did not buy VCDS.

 

[alfa]

Alfa, by your own admission you don't own VCDS. The forum here exists to help owners of Ross Tech products (VCDS) and full membership is dependent on owning this. That's the reason you're not allowed to post in many forum sections, because you're not a Ross Tech customer.

I read the forum and sometimes I see that I am ready to help, for example https://forums.ross-tech.com/index.php?threads/41017/. We have a difference, I made such cars in 10 minutes and I can help, but I don’t have VCDS and I just laugh at the victims who will suffer for a long time. Follow the link and help, I’ll tell you what to watch and do.

 

[alfa]

Alfa, by your own admission you don't own VCDS. The forum here exists to help owners of Ross Tech products (VCDS) and full membership is dependent on owning this. That's the reason you're not allowed to post in many forum sections, because you're not a Ross Tech customer.

Then I'll explain. You don't have the programmers that I have. You don't have the equipment that I have. I can't help people who don't understand and don't want to think.
I can ask for help tomorrow.. Will you help me???? I think no. Maybe this is correct(((. But I just can’t understand why you don’t want me to just give advice and help? I know a lot and I have no equal in fuel systems. And I haven’t yet understood why help is a problem You should have VCDS in stock...

 

[aceton]

For me it doesn't matter if you are pink, yellow or blue. For me, what matters is knowledge and willingness to help.

 

[Viking]

Then I'll explain. You don't have the programmers that I have. You don't have the equipment that I have. I can't help people who don't understand and don't want to think.
I can ask for help tomorrow.. Will you help me???? I think no. Maybe this is correct(((. But I just can’t understand why you don’t want me to just give advice and help? I know a lot and I have no equal in fuel systems. And I haven’t yet understood why help is a problem You should have VCDS in stock...

I think you're confusing me with someone who can assist you on your challenge to become a full member here. I don't have the authority to do anything to help, I was simply explaining why you're not allowed to post in most forum sections. Because this is Ross Techs house and it's their rules (not yours & not mine).

You might ask the boss if he's prepared to open the clubhouse doors for you, but I suspect if you don't buy a ticket you won't get in.

 

[alfa]

I think you're confusing me with someone who can assist you on your challenge to become a full member here. I don't have the authority to do anything to help, I was simply explaining why you're not allowed to post in most forum sections. Because this is Ross Techs house and it's their rules (not yours & not mine).

You might ask the boss if he's prepared to open the clubhouse doors for you, but I suspect if you don't buy a ticket you won't get in.

What if I can show you something they don’t have? Imagine, I have everything that is not in the USA or Europe.. (this really exists). But I don't have VCDS. ..((((I’m ready to help you. I see when even the gurus don’t know, I’m willing to bet, but I don’t have VCDS, I can’t help you in any way, I don’t have a ticket.. I can’t understand one thing. I’m not asking for help , I don’t post the LOG, but I can’t even say it.. In general, there is no democracy))))). If there are several people who want to argue about fuel VAGs, I test them and do them every day. I can film, narrate, and we’ll find the right translator.

 

[alfa]

Для меня не имеет значения, розовый ты, желтый или синий. Для меня важны знания и желание помочь.

For me it doesn't matter if you are pink, yellow or blue. For me, what matters is knowledge and willingness to help.

But for me there are already meanings: to pump it into the device with my hands or just do it for you. I will repeat once again, I quit working on cars, before the war I made these blocks all over Ukraine, one was in the Netherlands, the other in Crosatia. I can help you too, if you didn’t get in there with a pilot gun(((. Now I have a completely different topic, only fuel systems.. I could just help with a hint, show screenshots or videos, but I’m not the owner of VCDS. And since the owners The USA and Europe are several years behind, and it will be difficult to catch up later.

 

[alfa]

You might ask the boss if he's prepared to open the clubhouse doors for you, but I suspect if you don't buy a ticket you won't get in.

You yourself will help 100%, . I said, I don’t need anything, I know more than everyone else. I'm not asking you to help me. It's just funny to me. when everyone sent me, and then they ask for help. I would like to read the forum, look at the logs https://forums.ross-tech.com/index.php?threads/41089/. Help the man!!!!!! Tell him to check the G295. And its power supply scheme, someone can supply power to the entire network.

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Все просто, и можно проверить , а не умничать и давать советы.
I’m smart only because I don’t have VCDS, I don’t have scanners that everyone has, I don’t want to buy devices that shepherds offer for their flocks. I can write an ABS calculator for the A0 58 byte platform. But everyone is so smart that they have VCDS, but I don’t have it))). For example, ASNU fuel stands have never done and will not do what I have been doing for two years now. I tried to help them, they refused, or did not understand. I’ll open a topic on fuel systems and I can show that no one has seen it yet.)))

 

[jhwhite]

Does anyone understand why Alfa is posting about fuel pumps and fuel injectors on this thread? It's great he wants to help people with fuel injection problems, but it would better if many/most of his posts were in another thread under NewUsers. Maybe that can be arranged.

 

[Uwe]

Alfa, by your own admission you don't own VCDS.

Right, but he posts videos with an unauthorized Russian clone/pirate translation of VCDS. So from my perspective, he either is a thief, or he hangs out with thieves, neither of which I find particularly endearing.

I’ll open a topic on fuel systems

No, I don't think you will.

-Uwe-

 

[PetrolDave]

Right, but he posts videos with an unauthorized Russian clone/pirate translation of VCDS. So from my perspective, he either is a thief, or he hangs out with thieves, neither of which I find particularly endearing.

I blocked alfa several days ago as his posts seemed bizarre and irrelevant to me...

 

[jhwhite]

Status = Success

Over the weekend I installed the repaired BCM in the car and assembled enough of the battery to do a test: IT WORKS!! The car now starts again as of last night. It took two start attempts because engine had sat still for so long, but on the 2nd push of the button it started.

Many thanks to the people who have contributed, especially @Ivanciprian2004, who pinpointed the exact failing component where the 12V was being cut off. I would have spent a long time before I figured that one out, no doubt. His additional advice and insights, online and offline, were invaluable. @OneWireAt1 also deserves special mention and credit for all his good advice online and offline.

We now have 3 people that have applied the same fix, and at least two that have started the car afterwards. There may be thousands more out there that didn't have a fix, and still cannot get spare BCM modules from VW. So keep repairing, and let's keep the jetta hybrids rolling for another 10 years!!

Note to self: Don't forget that the orange plastic High Voltage System Interlock (HVSI) must not only be latched, but also pushed inward after latching. Forgetting that was a bit stupid, but then again one can forget some details in 3 months. :-).

 

[jhwhite]

Poll: If you have had the same problem, give a like to this post.

 

[jhwhite]

Poll: If the diagnosis method and fix described in this thread has solved your problem, give a like to this post.

 

[Fotograf]

I don't know how to make this any more clear:

For TEST: If LIC280.pin3 does not have 5V, and LIC403.pin2=5V when F8=12V, try to connect LIC403.pin5,6 to bypass 12V into the 5V regulator LIC409. See if this makes BCM work.

For REPAIR: Replace LIC403 *if* the test indicates that the bypassing connection results in 5V at LIC280.pin3, and makes BCM work. Do not use bypass connection after replacing LIC403 !!

Ivan, sorry I did not see that you had answered already, I had not refreshed the browser. And Fotograf, note that I linked the long and detailed answer before I saw that Ivan already had posted an answer. I hope everything is crystal clear now.

For this test, I need to connect F8 to 12V. Where is F8?
I looked at the wiring diagram but didn't see

 

[jhwhite]

For this test, I need to connect F8 to 12V. Where is F8?
I looked at the wiring diagram but didn't see

Look at the video in the very first post (post #1) at time 0:22. F8 and F10 are the pins marked Vdd.

In case the video ever disappears, refer to the photo in post #8 : The BCM has 8 connectors, called A-B-C-D (along top) and E-F-G-H (along bottom). Inside connector F: F1 is top left, F8,(F9),F10 are top right, F23,24 are bottom left, and F25,26 are the next two pins. Those are all the external pins being used in any BCM box-level testing described in this thread.

F8 is not shown in any official wiring diagram, because it is considered to be internal to the battery.

 

[Fotograf]

What is best 12v battery for jetta hybrid?

 

[wheelsupcessna]

Can anyone provide a link for a new V5160s, all I see are the V5160s-e and all coming only from China so eta is a while, thanks

 

[jhwhite]

What is best 12v battery for jetta hybrid?

I do not know, but Ivan told me earlier that the Varta brand that VW dealers sell comes with a QR code that contains battery-specific (each battery) internal resistance number(s) that are used to program the car (with VCDS) for best charging performance.