2017 VW Jetta - engine misfires are back :(

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Background: About two months ago, I was here and you guys helped me! :thumbs:
I had a misfire on Cylinder #1. I replaced the ignition coil and the misfire went away! :cool:


Unfortunately, the misfire on Cylinder #1 is back :(
We've driven about 3000km on the new ignition coil and had no problems until yesterday.
The car started jerking on a freeway when going uphill and I had to pull over :eek:
It had the check engine light ON and the EPC light on.
I've restarted the engine and we were able to make it home.
But I would feel the car jerking every few kilometers here and there.

Facts:
1. New spark plugs, changed ~3,000 km ago.
2. New ignition coils on cylinders #1, #2, #3 (I wanted to change all, but one seemed faulty), changed ~3,000km ago.
3. The car drove perfect since the spark plugs & coils replacement.

Autoscan:
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Sunday,01,October,2023,15:56:13:30954
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VCDS Version: 23.3.1.0 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4631.4
Data version: 20230421 DS346.2
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VIN: 3VWDB7AJ6HM279729   License Plate:
Mileage: 111320km-69171mi   Repair Order:



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Chassis Type: AJ-VW36 (7E0)
Scan: 01 02 03 04 05 08 09 15 17 19 25 2B 3C 44 5F 75

VIN: 3VWDB7AJ6HM279729   Mileage: 111320km-69171miles

01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Malfunction 0010
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
2B-Steer. Col. Lock -- Status: OK 0000
3C-Lane Change -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
5F-Information Electr. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
75-Telematics -- Status: OK 0000
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Address 01: Engine (J623-CZTA)       Labels:. 04E-907-309-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 04E 906 023 AL    HW: 04E 907 309 AP
   Component: R4 1.4l TFS   H22 3669
   Revision: X5H22---    CVN: 3BBC5B28
   Coding: 011A0012232400001000
   Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00017
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM14TFS01104E906023AL 005004
   ROD: EV_ECM14TFS01104E906023AL.rod
   VCID: 6A8DCD324CF867FAB1F-803E
   VINID: 0E69D448745A1987421C91C2246391823A

   Center armrest control head 1:

3 Faults Found:
10203 - Random/Multiple Cylinder Misfire Detected
          P0300 00 [100] - -
          Intermittent - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Mileage: 111170 km
                    Date: 2023.09.30
                    Time: 15:34:40

                    Engine RPM: 2966.00 /min
                    Normed load value: 93.7 %
                    Vehicle speed: 39 km/h
                    Coolant temperature: 92 °C
                    Intake air temperature: 42 °C
                    Ambient air pressure: 1000 mbar
                    Voltage terminal 30: 13.546 V
                    Unlearning counter according OBD: 75
                    Outside temperature: 26 °C
                    Absolute intake pressure: 198 kPa abs
                    Engine torque: 254.1 Nm
                    Fuel level: 35.00 l
                    Electric drive torque: actual value: 0.0 Nm

10591 - Cylinder 1
          P0301 00 [100] - Misfire Detected
          Intermittent - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Mileage: 111170 km
                    Date: 2023.09.30
                    Time: 15:34:40

                    Engine RPM: 2966.00 /min
                    Normed load value: 93.7 %
                    Vehicle speed: 39 km/h
                    Coolant temperature: 92 °C
                    Intake air temperature: 42 °C
                    Ambient air pressure: 1000 mbar
                    Voltage terminal 30: 13.546 V
                    Unlearning counter according OBD: 75
                    Outside temperature: 26 °C
                    Absolute intake pressure: 198 kPa abs
                    Engine torque: 254.1 Nm
                    Fuel level: 35.00 l
                    Electric drive torque: actual value: 0.0 Nm

33835 - Misfire Detected -- Fueling Disabled
          P0363 00 [032] - -
          Intermittent - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Mileage: 111170 km
                    Date: 2023.09.30
                    Time: 15:34:42

                    Engine RPM: 4183.00 /min
                    Normed load value: 92.5 %
                    Vehicle speed: 55 km/h
                    Coolant temperature: 92 °C
                    Intake air temperature: 42 °C
                    Ambient air pressure: 1000 mbar
                    Voltage terminal 30: 13.735 V
                    Unlearning counter according OBD: 38
                    Outside temperature: 26 °C
                    Absolute intake pressure: 215 kPa abs
                    Engine torque: 163.6 Nm
                    Fuel level: 35.00 l
                    Electric drive torque: actual value: 0.0 Nm

Readiness: 0000 0000

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Address 02: Auto Trans (J217)       Labels: 09G-927-749-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 09G 927 749 AA    HW: 09G 927 749
   Component: AISIN AG6 G3  129 3128
   CVN: 56A8984D
   Coding: 010200000C000000000000000000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00017
   ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMAQ250031 002009
   ROD: EV_TCMAQ250031_002_VW36.rod
   VCID: 78A9E77A0254C56A37B-802C

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:. 1K0-907-379-60EC1F.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 CC    HW: 1K0 907 379 CC
   Component: ESP MK60EC1   H46 0175
   Revision: 00H46001
   Coding: A14B400C49290003851202E6922200412010F01A
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 75B7EE4E15C6B8022CD-8020

No fault code found.

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Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. (J518)       Labels:| 5K0-959-434.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 959 434 G    HW: 5K0 959 434
   Component: VWKESSYPQ35GP 092 1305
   Revision: 00092000    Serial number: 0417798439 Dataset Number: V03935236HT 0001
   Coding: 032C0C
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00178
   ASAM Dataset: EV_KESSYPQ35G A02717
   ROD: EV_KESSYPQ35G_A02_VW31.rod
   VCID: 392F227E79DE1C62085-806C

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 5C0-820-047.clb
   Part No SW: 5C0 820 047 DA    HW: 5C0 820 047 DA
   Component: J301  Klimaanlage   0211
   Revision: 2001401S    Serial number: 00000003639407
   Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00017
   VCID: 629DA512B8483FBA79F-8036

1 Fault Found:
03984 - Left front heated seat
            011 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00111011
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 34
                    Mileage: 98717 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2017.04.01
                    Time: 08:52:03


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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 7E0-937-BCM-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 7E0 937 190 B    HW: 7E0 937 190
   Component: BCM PQ25 Max3 H81 0744
   Revision: B8081001    Serial number: 88007245165712
   Coding: 7B994B9A28230F0008392080240884C54BC672FE600151F0B0A050032844
   Shop #: WSC 01799 002 104857
   VCID: 2B0308368302BEF28A9-807E

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 801 DF    HW: 6R0 959 801 DF  Labels: 6R0-959-801.CLB
   Component: J386__TSG_FT  022 1467
   Serial number: 14102743161011203741
   Coding: 820000

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 802 DJ    HW: 6R0 959 802 DJ  Labels: 6R0-959-802.CLB
   Component: J387__TSG_BT  022 1467
   Serial number: 14202742161017064728
   Coding: 820000

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 591 A    HW: 6R0 959 591 D
   Component: J245 PS41.402  H03 0004
   Serial number: 0000FST001696DZ00000
   Coding: 180000

   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 6C0 959 442 A    HW: 6C0 959 442 A
   Component: E221__MFL-TAT  H06 0023
   Serial number: 2291607454400845AD2B
   Coding: 280000

   Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 811 T    HW: 6R0 959 811 T
   Component: J388__TSG_HL  022 1467
   Serial number: 14102745161015064543
   Coding: 000000

   Subsystem 6 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 812 T    HW: 6R0 959 812 T
   Component: J389__TSG_HR  022 1467
   Serial number: 14102744161015181106
   Coding: 000000

1 Fault Found:
01499 - Bulb for High-Beams; Right (M32)
            010 - Open or Short to Plus
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01101010
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 83
                    Mileage: 110500 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2018.02.06
                    Time: 19:43:29


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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:* 561-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 561 959 655     HW: 561 959 655
   Component: AirbagVW11    008 0210
   Serial number: 003RXM094J7  Dataset Number: 5C6003V____ 0017
   Coding: 8CCCF000000000005000001AC20800000065
   Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00017
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW11SMEVW411 001002
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW11SMEVW411.rod
   VCID: 6393A016ABD236B2729-8036

   Seat occupied recognition:
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 4M0 959 339 B    HW: 4M0 959 339 B
   Component: BF-Gewichtss.  H13 0022
   Serial number: IBH000000000005YM8UG
   Coding: 303146

   Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side:
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 001 009 16
   Component: SideSensor_Df  001 0887
   Serial number: 35700000000AF829DD10

   Front Passenger's Side Airbag Crash Sensor:
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 001 009 16
   Component: SideSensor_Pf  001 0887
   Serial number: 358000000001E829DD1Y

   Rear Side Airbag Crash Sensor (on driver's side):
   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 021 309 16
   Component: SideSensor_Dr  000 0148
   Serial number: 3510001A72319DB1A483

   Passenger side rear thorax airbag crash sensor:
   Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 020 609 16
   Component: SideSensor_Pr  000 0148
   Serial number: 3520001B72285311F37X

   Crash sensor for front airbag: driver side:
   Subsystem 6 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 020 710 16
   Component: FrontSensor_D  000 0189
   Serial number: 3550001A92285325341P

   Crash sensor for front airbag: front passenger side:
   Subsystem 7 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 020 710 16
   Component: FrontSensor_P  000 0189
   Serial number: 3560001A9228532535D$

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
   Part No SW: 5C6 920 976 D    HW: 5C6 920 976 D
   Component: KOMBI         H02 1104
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 221A010000
   Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00320
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A05733
   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_005_VW25.rod
   VCID: 333310565BB2E632C29-8066

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 7E0-909-901.clb
   Part No SW: 7E0 909 901     HW: 7E0 937 190
   Component: GW-K-CAN TP20 H81 0744
   Revision: B8081001
   Coding: 102201
   Shop #: WSC 01799 002 104857
   VCID: 6889B73A527455EAA7B-803C

1 Fault Found:
01044 - Control Module Incorrectly Coded
            000 - - - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100000
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 0 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2018.01.10
                    Time: 00:00:01


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Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 5K0 953 234
   Component: IMMO          H02 1104
   Serial number:          
   Coding: 000007
   Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00320
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03710
   ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09_VW21.rod
   VCID: 6A8DCD324CF867FAB1F-803E

No fault code found.

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Address 2B: Steer. Col. Lock (J764)       Labels:* 5K0-905-861.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 905 861 D    HW: 5K0 905 861 D
   Component: ELV-PQ35      H22 0240
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 16000162853005
   Coding: 4900000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00320
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ELVMarquMPVW36X A01001
   ROD: EV_ELVMarquMPVW36X.rod
   VCID: 313F1A5EA1AED422B05-8064

No fault code found.

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Address 3C: Lane Change (J1086)       Labels:| 5Q0-907-686.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 907 686 B    HW: 5Q0 907 686 B
   Component: HRE_Master    H12 0071
   Serial number: 0417777367 Dataset Number: 5G9764V____ 0027
   Coding: 01011101
   Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00178
   ASAM Dataset: EV_HREntryHella 001028
   ROD: EV_HREntryHella_VW32.rod
   VCID: 3C213B6A76EC294A133-8068

   Lane change assistance control module 2:
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5Q0 907 685 B    HW: 5Q0 907 685 B
   Component: HRE_Slave  H12 0071
   Serial number: 0417063190    
   Coding: 010111

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1K0-909-14x-GEN3.clb
   Part No: 1K0 909 144 R
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl. 305    3501
   Revision: 00H22000
   Shop #: WSC 02069 000 90108
   VCID: 392F227E755E1C62085-806C

No fault code found.

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Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels:| 5G0-035-MIB-STD2.clb
   Part No SW: 5C0 035 200 C    HW: 5C0 035 200 C
   Component: MU-S-S-US     H32 0363
   Serial number: VWZAZ2U1607789 Dataset Number: V03935263MC 0001
   Coding: 02630100AA00000051220001001808009F0100D40020010002
   Shop #: WSC 131071 1023 2097151
   ASAM Dataset: EV_MUStd4CTSAT 001022
   ROD: EV_MUStd4CTSAT_VW32.rod
   VCID: 1577CECE35061802CCD-8040

1 Fault Found:
0020 - Tuner for Satellite Radio
          B11CF 53 [009] - Deactivated
          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 4
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 251
                    Mileage: 98004 km
                    Date: 2022.10.18
                    Time: 12:11:08

                    Voltage terminal 30: 14.0 V
                    SDARS_tuner_status_2-Satellite radio antenna status: electrically OK
                    SDARS_tuner_status_2-Channel selection for satellite radio: 0
                    SDARS_tuner_status_2-Audio Signal: Not available
                    SDARS_tuner_status_2-Antenna current: 0 mA
                    SDARS_tuner_status_2-Reception quality: No_signal
                    SDARS_tuner_status_2-Satellite radio tuner: pre-activation status: 00
                    SDARS_tuner_status_2-Satellite radio tuner: pre-activation value: 00


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Address 75: Telematics (J949)       Labels:| 12E-035-284.clb
   Part No SW: 561 035 285 A    HW: 561 035 285 A
   Component: OCULowUSA     020 0160
   Serial number: 000003554140555 Dataset Number: V03935214WB 0001
   Coding: 02630102C21632107F1606C00000
   Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_OCULow 002010
   ROD: EV_OCULow_002.rod
   VCID: 1471B3CA3EFC010ABB3-8040

No fault code found.

End----(Elapsed Time: 01:27, VBatt start/end: 11.9V/11.9V. VIgn 11.9V)-----

Question:
What would you guys suggest next?
I was told last time to flip coils #1 & #2 to see if the misfire moves along.
I am about to do that if you give me a green light, but at the same time I am sad because the coil is new :(

Note:
Sorry for the wrong title of this post. I've tried prayer, exorcism & voodoo but couldn't figure out how to edit the title :/
 
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1. Check the fuel system as follows:


2. Compression test.

-Uwe-
Hi Uwe! Thanks for fixing the post title.
I did the fuel pressure test and came up with the following conclusion:


The fuel pressure at idle was 12.6 MPa. About 20 minutes after turning off the engine, the fuel pressure maxed at 16.4 MPa.


From the top of my head these numbers don't look good to me. I thought the fuel pressure should max at about double of the idle fuel pressure.
But I am not sure. What do you think?
 
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I thought the fuel pressure should max at about double of the idle fuel pressure.
How hot was the engine? The pressure rise will depend on how much heat soaks into the fuel system and how much of it is exposed to the heat (which will vary by engine type). To me, the fact that you got a 30% rise indicates no leaks.

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I've had random misfires & misfires at cilinder 4 before. My fix was using a bit of wd-40 in the electrical connector that goes on the ignition coil. I used regular one but to be safe you could try their version especially made for electronics. Make sure to let it dry before reconnecting it and starting the engine
 
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High load value normally means its either coil or injector. I would put coil into cyl#3. and plug into cyl#4.
 
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How hot was the engine? The pressure rise will depend on how much heat soaks into the fuel system and how much of it is exposed to the heat (which will vary by engine type). To me, the fact that you got a 30% rise indicates no leaks.

-Uwe-
I've had random misfires & misfires at cilinder 4 before. My fix was using a bit of wd-40 in the electrical connector that goes on the ignition coil. I used regular one but to be safe you could try their version especially made for electronics. Make sure to let it dry before reconnecting it and starting the engine
High load value normally means its either coil or injector. I would put coil into cyl#3. and plug into cyl#4.

Hi Team!
First off, thank you all for your input!

Update:
  • The car had an issue with misfires on cylinder #1. I moved the ignition coil from the cylinder #1 to the cylinder #2 and the misfire immediately jumped to the cylinder #2.
  • The coil is now replaced and the car has no issues!
  • My question is: Does anyone have an idea why would a coil repeatedly fail on the cylinder #1? Mind you, this is the second time in last two months I found a failed coil on cylinder #1.
 
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If you have oil seeping into the space where the plug and coil meet that could be an issue or perhaps the ground wire is compromised.
 
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Does anyone have an idea why would a coil repeatedly fail on the cylinder #1? Mind you, this is the second time in last two months I found a failed coil on cylinder #1.
In addition to what EuroX wrote, I'll ask: What is the provenance of the replacement coils?

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In addition to what EuroX wrote, I'll ask: What is the provenance of the replacement coils?

-Uwe-
I got them from AutoZone. I bought 4 ignition coils.
I destroyed one by accident :)and replaced the 3 remaining coils.
Two out of the three coils seem to be fine.
The one coil at cylinder #1 started having issues.
The suspicious thing is that the last set of coils had also issues at the cylinder #1.
 
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In addition to what @Ziddy mentioned about the ground check the coil connector and the wiring. Is the lock tab still working? These sometimes break and maybe with vibration it is causing a Cylinder 1 intermittent issue. Good hunting!
 
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I would say shit quality coils are your issue then.
 
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