Autoscan: Function not supported by the gateway.

[blackcat]

Hello!

I just got a Volkswagen Up! TSI in Brazil (yeah TSI as in turbocharged!)

When trying to do an autoscan, VCDS queries the module in adress 19 and since apparently it does not exist, it gives me this error:

Scan: Auto-detect
Funcion not supported by the gateway.

Any ideas? I did a manual scan on 00 to 7F and found active 01, 03, 09, 15, 25, 44 and 56.

I did a manual map of those and emailed support aswell.

Opening a thread here aswell maybe it's easier?

Thanks for the help!

 

[Uwe]

Well, that makes it rather unlike any Up! we've seen in Europe.

Please put this entry in MyAutoScan.txt, then do an Auto-Scan, and post the results.

12, Unusual Up, 01,03,09,15,17,19,25,44,56

(Yes, I have 17 and 19 in there because I'm in disbelief that those don't "talk" in a new car)...

-Uwe-

 

[blackcat]

Thanks for the reply Uwe!

Indeed it found 17, but no luck on 19. Here's the autoscan (I supressed the VIN, do you need it?):

Thursday,27,August,2015,18:51:39:07826
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x64
VCDS Version: 15.7.0.2 (x64)
Data version: 20150820
www.Ross-Tech.com

Workshop Code: 011 01357 000200

VIN: 		     License Plate: 
Mileage: 40km-24mi   Repair Order: 



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Chassis Type: 12 (12 -  Unusual UP)
Scan: 01 03 09 15 17 19 25 44 56
 
VIN:                     Mileage: 40km-24miles
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Address 01: Engine (J623-CYTA)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 04C 906 026 J    HW: 04C 907 309 AD
   Component: R3 1.0l TFS   H22 4005  
   Revision: WDH22---    
   Coding: 00110012230400000000
   Shop #: WSC 03310 453 00202
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM10TFS01104C906026J 001006
   ROD: EV_ECM10TFS01104C906026J.rod
   VCID: 285A7C4A53ED897E3D-807C

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0000 0001

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 1S0 614 117 T    HW: 1S0 614 117 T
   Component: EBC 460 MABS  H26 0400  
   Serial number: 4843051
   Coding: 12DF24E32AF1105548A3240B54F90840580100
   Shop #: WSC 03310 453 00202
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Brake1ABSEBC460TRW 001003
   ROD: EV_Brake1ABSEBC460TRW_SE12.rod
   VCID: 3C72B01AB77535DE49-8068

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels: 34D-937-087.clb
   Part No SW: 34D 937 087 D    HW: 34D 937 087 D
   Component: BFM Hp        122 0105  
   Coding: DFC5C10E07008F2F2D01996D900100221117
   Shop #: WSC 03310 453 00211
   ASAM Dataset: EV_BCMBFMHella 003001
   ROD: EV_BCMBFMHella_SE12.rod
   VCID: 316C912E6037C8B6EA-8064

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 5Z0 947 105 E
   Component: DWA-Sensor  003 0008 

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels: 5K0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 1SB 959 655     HW: 1SB 959 655 
   Component: VW10AirbagSZX H03 0006  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 003MX3057NEO
   Coding: 000000000000000000000000000000005A58
   Shop #: WSC 03310 453 00211
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW12X 001001
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVN750_SE12.rod
   VCID: 0D142DDEDC4FCC562E-8058

   Crash sensor for front airbag; driver side: 
   Serial number: 3555NRB405L36OUOHGAO

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels: 1Sx-920-xxx-17.clb
   Part No SW: 1SB 920 860 D    HW: 1SB 920 860 D
   Component: KOMBI         H09 0209  
   Revision: V0H09V07    Serial number:               
   Coding: 814A00
   Shop #: WSC 03310 453 00211
   ASAM Dataset: EV_KombiUDSMM9RM10 A04752
   ROD: EV_KombiUDSMM9RM10_SE12.rod
   VCID: 4380CBE6CA8B4A2608-8016

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels: 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 1SB 920 860 D
   Component: IMMO          H09 0209  
   Revision: V0H09V07    Serial number:               
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ImmoUDSMM9RM10 A01702
   ROD: EV_ImmoUDSMM9RM10_SE12.rod
   VCID: 6ADE46428D617B6EEB-803E

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 44: Steering Assist (J500)       Labels: 1Sx-909-144-44.clb
   Part No SW: 1S1 909 144 P    HW: 1S1 909 144 P
   Component: EPS_ECU       H51 1702  
   Coding: 0001000001010000
   Shop #: WSC 03310 453 00211
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SteerAssisNSK 014008
   ROD: EV_SteerAssisNSK_SE12.rod
   VCID: 408AC4EADB9D513E15-8014

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio (J503)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 1SB 035 152 B    HW: 1SB 035 152 B
   Component: MIBGLAM       H08 0041  
   Revision: RA101000    Serial number: VWZ7Z2R6038978
   Coding: 00000400020000
   Shop #: WSC 06133 000 1048576
   VCID: 387AAC0A8B4D19FEAD-806C

No fault code found.

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Thanks!

 

[golfi_vend]

I see that BCM also has a task of gateway, but don't know why this isn't on the scan.

 

[Uwe]

I don't have answer(s) right now. Looks like VW changed something here for this this 2016 model. We will have to do some digging...

Is there any chance your dealer will give you a copy of the ODIS report he should have made when he did the pre-delivery inspection on this car?

-Uwe-

 

[Andy]

I see that BCM also has a task of gateway, but don't know why this isn't on the scan.

Nice catch. Here's Partslink24 info for this car:

"34D 937 087 D 937-050 control unit (bcm) for
convenience system, gateway
and onboard power supply on request
Also available in color"

So VW seems to be describing the 09 module as handling the functions of 19-CAN Gateway which would make this a weird exception to the norm, sort of like how the B7 A4 had the 17-Instruments handling Gateway duties rather than having an actual separate module.

 

[Sebastian]

We have seen this behavior before in several other South American and Chinese models. There will be a temporary workaround in the next update (i.e. a special Auto-Scan entry), a more proper long term solution is currently up for discussion. Short story, all models with 34D BCM don't have a conventional gateway which is why VCDS can't find one either.

 

[blackcat]

Uwe, you mean the car asbuilt with all the codes you can feed to ETKA?

They didn't give me one but I have one I took from erwin.net if you need it?

I don't have answer(s) right now. Looks like VW changed something here for this this 2016 model. We will have to do some digging...

Is there any chance your dealer will give you a copy of the ODIS report he should have made when he did the pre-delivery inspection on this car?

-Uwe-

 

[blackcat]

Thanks for the help! Anything I can do to help with the long coding helper on the modules? Or adaptations, etc?

We have seen this behavior before in several other South American and Chinese models. There will be a temporary workaround in the next update (i.e. a special Auto-Scan entry), a more proper long term solution is currently up for discussion. Short story, all models with 34D BCM don't have a conventional gateway which is why VCDS can't find one either.

 

[Sebastian]

I'll email you some details.

 

[blackcat]

Thanks Sebastian, anything I can help with! Waiting on the Email

I'll email you some details.