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VCDS Version: Release 14.10.2 (x64)
Data version: 20150311
www.Ross-Tech.com

Thursday,30,July,2015,11:21:01:48700

Chassis Type: 1K (1K0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 25 42 44 46 52 56 62 72

VIN: AAVZZZ1KZ4U006046   Mileage: 165340km-102737miles

00-Steering Angle Sensor -- Status: OK 0000
01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: Malfunction 0010
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: Malfunction 0010
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
 
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Address 01: Engine        Labels: 03G-906-016-BKD.lbl
   Part No SW: 03G 906 016 ET    HW: 028 101 184 3
   Component: R4 2,0L EDC G000SG  5803  
   Revision: 12345678    Serial number: VWZ7Z0D9513502
   Coding: 0000032
   Shop #: WSC 01120 512 00000
   VCID: 79FF556330676EE9291-802C

4 Faults Found:
18080 - Coolant Fan Control 1 
            P1672 - 000 - Open or Short to Ground
             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 0 /min
                    Torque: 168.0 Nm
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Load: 0.0 %
                    Voltage: 12.24 V
                    Bin. Bits: 00001100
                    Temperature: 5.4°C
                    Duty Cycle: 9.6 %

19559 - Motor for Intake Manifold Flap (V157) 
            P3103 - 000 - Malfunction
             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 0 /min
                    Torque: 168.0 Nm
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Load: 0.0 %
                    Voltage: 12.24 V
                    Bin. Bits: 00001100
                    Torque: 0.0 Nm
                    Torque: 354.0 Nm

16486 - Mass Air Flow Sensor (G70) 
            P0102 - 000 - Signal too Low
             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 126 /min
                    Torque: 168.0 Nm
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Load: 0.0 %
                    Voltage: 9.20 V
                    Bin. Bits: 00001100
                    Mass Air / Rev.: 850.0 mg/str
                    Mass Air / Rev.: 0.0 mg/str

18072 - Control Circuit for PD Injectors 
            P1664 - 000 - Electrical Malfunction
             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 126 /min
                    Torque: 206.0 Nm
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Load: 0.0 %
                    Voltage: 8.74 V
                    Bin. Bits: 00001100
                    Temperature: 12.6°C
                    Bin. Bits: 01010000

Readiness: 0 0 1 1 1 

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK70.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 907 379 N
   Component: ASR FRONT MK70      0103  
   Coding: 0017025
   Shop #: WSC 00046 412 00000
   VCID: 3D77817364CF92C9459-8068

2 Faults Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module 
            013 - Check DTC Memory - Intermittent
01314 - Engine Control Module 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 1K0-820-047.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 820 047 CR
   Component: Climatic PQ35   081 0404  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 76E55E5F01790191443-8023

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels: 3C0-937-049-23-M.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 937 049 S    HW: 1K0 937 049 S*
   Component: Bordnetz-SG 1.0 H30 0704  
   Revision: 00030000    Serial number: 00000000760779
   Coding: E4890F0600041800001400001400000000
   Shop #: WSC 05449 996 13005
   VCID: 3F8BFB7B6EC380D9575-806A

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K2 955 119 B  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer VW350  012  0401  
   Coding: 00049109
   Shop #: WSC 05449  

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 955 559 M  Labels: 1K0-955-559-AF.CLB
   Component: RegenLichtSens 005  0605  
   Coding: 00217125
   Shop #: WSC 05449  

1 Fault Found:
00906 - Horn (H1) 
            009 - Open or Short to Ground

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 1K0-909-605.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 909 605 D    HW: 1K0 909 605 D
   Component: 02 AIRBAG VW8   022 0600  
   Revision: 05022000    Serial number: 0033JD0BP2KA  
   Coding: 0012338
   Shop #: WSC 00046 412 00000
   VCID: 2D57B133B4AF0249F59-8078

   Subsystem 1 - Serial number: 6332MSME54095B02 

   Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6342MSME453D4402 

   Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6351HSME49032502 

   Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6361HSME23042602 

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 A    HW: 1K0 953 549 A
   Component: Lenksäulenmodul 012 0030  
   Coding: 0000042
   Shop #: WSC 00046 412 00000
   VCID: 3069A847A39D6FA1DEF-8065

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-17.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 920 860 L
   Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VDD 3354  
   Coding: 0001101
   Shop #: WSC 80093 222 69422
   VCID: 316FAD43A89766A9D11-8064

1 Fault Found:
00003 - Control Module 
            014 - Defective

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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 1K0-907-530-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 C    HW: 1K0 907 951 
   Component: Gateway         H08 0080  
   Revision: 08          Serial number: 21001043319547
   Coding: 3D3F0340070003
   Shop #: WSC 00046 412 00000
   VCID: 275B431B965328190F5-8072

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No: 1K0 920 860 L
   Component: IMMO                3354  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 316FAD43A89766A9D11-8064

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 1K0-959-701-MIN1.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 959 701 E
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet 09 0148  
   Coding: 0000052
   Shop #: WSC 00046 412 00000
   VCID: 3069A847A39D6FA1DEF-8065

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1Kx-909-14x-44.clb
   Part No: 1K2 909 144 F
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.0       1301  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 2F6BAB3BBEA37059C75-807A

1 Fault Found:
00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85) 
            000 -  - 

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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 1K0-959-433-MIN.clb
   Part No: 1K0 959 433 BL
   Component: 01 KSG              0301  
   Coding: 19C802087F2D8F0F485FC69010
   Shop #: WSC 05449 996 83277
   VCID: 7BF34F6B3A5B5CF93BD-802E

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 A
   Component: LIN BACKUP HORN H01 1201

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 907 719 
   Component: Neigungssensor  003 0003

   Subsystem 3 - Part No: 1K0 951 177 
   Component: Innenraumueberw.004 0101

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 1K0-959-702-MIN1.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 959 702 E
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet 09 0148  
   Coding: 0000052
   Shop #: WSC 00046 412 00000
   VCID: 316FAD43A89766A9D11-8064

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio        Labels: 1K0-035-1xx-56.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 035 186 J
   Component: Radio BNO           0016  
   Coding: 0040402
   Shop #: WSC 00046 412 00000
   VCID: 2D57B133B4AF0249F59-8078

No fault code found.

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Address 62: Door, Rear Left        Labels: 1K0-959-703-GEN1.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 959 703 C
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet 06 0202  
   Coding: 0000016
   Shop #: WSC 00046 412 00000
   VCID: 3069A847A39D6FA1DEF-8065

No fault code found.

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right        Labels: 1K0-959-704-GEN1.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 959 704 C
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet 06 0202  
   Coding: 0000016
   Shop #: WSC 00046 000 00000
   VCID: 316FAD43A89766A9D11-8064

No fault code found.

End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 01:37)--------------------------

hi guys
this vehicle came in none starting..im assuming the injector fault is the reason for the none start..ive checked the resistance on each injector and all are 0.3 ohm...guys seem to have loads of issues with the harness running inside the head to injectors, but I get proper resistance on injectors till ecu plug...ive already tried another ecu but same fault codes..
any advice?
under actual values for injector condition I get "128" something to do with fault at start of injection?
thanx
shafo
 
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hmmm starter is pulling excessive current...I can only imagine how much they've been cranking this car..lol...will do starter over and report
 
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starter done over...strong battery...swinging perfectly now but I still keep on getting the same fault codes...
 
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Have you checked the speed of engine crankshaft while cranking?
 
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Okay now it's time to verify supply to the PD harness + consumers via WD starting with fuses.
Get manual and trace the tracks.
Take a strong look at supply relay and power plausibility for terminal 15 during cranking........ verifying the ignition switch.
 
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Jack do these injectors get a 12v supply from the ecu?
 
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Jack do these injectors get a 12v supply from the ecu?

Affirmative, however it is the power to the controller you must trace and track using WD.

Start with FP relay.....and terminal 50 to J519

Don't forget grounds back to controller and from controller to chassis.
 
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so I got an audi in with the exact same engine...also none start...but 0 errors...I took the audis control unit out and tried it in the golf v and my car starts and cuts out(immo)... I do believe the second computer I tested with in my golf v was also faulty...
fault on my car seems to be ecu .
I do however worry that the audis ecu part number was slighty different ..
can anybody confirm that these two ecus are interchangeable -
audi- 0281 011 364
vw-0281 011 843
 
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Why are you doing this........?

Install the correct part #
You are gonna have a bad time...... if the PC doesn't match up even if the Immo gets aligned.
 
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i think you misunderstood me....i want to know is if it is fine that i tested my car with the audi ecu? it started my car...so do you think that i can thus confirm that my ecu is the issue?
 
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Is it fine........no it's not the correct part.

The fact that it ran though and if the other doesn't, would be an indication that you might need an ecu.

Have you verified both ecu's share all the same power conditions for supply in WD? I would before I bought an ecu!
 
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Both are EDC16U1 ecus so yeah, they share same power patch.

Find same p/n ecu and match immo or swap eeprom.
 
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Beware that swapping the eeprom may not work and give you a really bad time if this ecu is PC specific.......... because the PC is stored in Flash/MPC not eeprom.......
Also this ecu supports a redundant virtual eeprom within the flash/MPC.

It is advised that valid backups are made!

Simple swap over could really be a bad time!

I bet I could help you do that transfer if interested.......... if the hardware is an exact match.
 
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I did confirm that wiring for the two are EXACTLY the same ...both cars have the SAME engine code bkd... again i just swopped ecu for testing purposes ( i HATE making wrong diagnosis, im sure everyone does) so now that i can confirm the ecu is in fact my problem i will source the same ecu as was in my car (original 1)
How much effort is it to program a used ecu?i do have a supervag3 to pull security codes and vcds obviously.
 
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If that hardware is the same you could send me both ecu's for a real authorized data transfer.

The unit was in need of a serious firmware update as well........so we could handle that to while in custody.
 
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Bud im faarrrrrrrrr from you!!! South africa :)
 
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Update on this situation. ..customer brought me a edc16u34 ecu from a golf v tdi (i assume a later/earlier model)
He brought a cluster key and ecu

I advised him against it but he pushed me to fit.
Car started fine a drove away

So original ecu was edc16u1 and swopped with edc16u34
 
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Did you do an auto-scan of the controller and did it contain any faults even though it ran?

Doesn't surprise me that it ran..........
 
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