G85 will not reset - Mk5 VW GTI w/DSG

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Hello,

Thanks for the post. The challenge for me is that I am getting no readings at all and one of the codes says the sensor is faulty. It is brand new. Does that change your helpful suggestion at all?

Thanks.
 
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did you check the values in module 16 as i mention in the post above?
 
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Hello,

Thanks again for the additonal response. I did and am getting no reading at all. I have done this several times actually.
 
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Hello All, I am back at it. Today I replaced the new steering wheel angle sensor with another new one. No joy. VCDS does not see it even when I do the basic settings with 060. That is, when I turn the wheel it does not see anything.

Here is the full scan from today:

Code:
Saturday,10,December,2022,11:15:47:65344
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 22.10.0.1 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4623.4
Data version: 20221026 DS344.0
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WVWFV71K08W188421   License Plate: 
Mileage: 179700km-111660mi   Repair Order: 



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Chassis Type: 1K (1K0)
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 0F 15 16 17 19 1C 25 42 44 46 52 55 56 65

VIN: WVWFV71K08W188421   Mileage: 179700km-111660miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: Malfunction 0010
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
0F-Digital Radio -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: Malfunction 0010
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
1C-Position Sensing -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: Malfunction 0010
44-Steering Assist -- Status: Malfunction 0010
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
65-Tire Pressure -- Status: OK 0000
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Address 01: Engine        Labels:. 06F-907-115-AXX.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 115 S    HW: 8P0 907 115 B
   Component: 2.0l R4/4V TFSI     0020  
   Revision: 5BH16---    Serial number: VWX7Z0GN3NL85R
   Coding: 0403010A1C070160
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 36352BCEA44889BB01E-8062
   VINID: 9E69D698705B0089C12081020445D0DF0D

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0000 0000

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Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 02E-927-770.clb
   Part No SW: 02E 300 050 J    HW: 02E 927 770 AD
   Component: GSG DSG         082 1409  
   Revision: 04808020    Serial number: 00000907150831
   Coding: 0000020
   Shop #: WSC 04940 001 00001
   VCID: 196FC072359646C30CC-804C

1 Fault Found:
18148 - Clutch Temperature Monitoring 
            P1740 - 012 -  - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101100
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 255
                    Reset counter: 39
                    Mileage: 179633 km
                    Time Indication: 0


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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK60-F.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 AC    HW: 1K0 907 379 AC
   Component: ESP FRONT MK60      0101  
   Revision: 00H11001    
   Coding: 0021122
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 73B3D2DAF7BADC93E60-8026

3 Faults Found:
02781 - ASR/ESP Button (E256) 
            008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85) 
            014 - Defective
00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85) 
            005 - No or Incorrect Basic Setting / Adaptation

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 1K0-820-047.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 820 047 HH    HW: 1K0 820 047 HH
   Component: Climatic PQ35   141 1010  
   Revision: 00141028    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 71BFD8D28DA6EE8314C-8024

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels:. 3C0-937-049-30-H.lbl
   Part No SW: 3C0 937 049 AJ    HW: 3C0 937 049 AJ
   Component: Bordnetz-SG     H54 2202  
   Revision: 00H54000    Serial number: 00000007807370
   Coding: 178D0F214004150047140000001400000028770B5C000100000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 25162 444 85710
   VCID: 71BFD8D28DA6EE8314C-8024

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K1 955 119 E  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer 231107 021  0501  
   Coding: 00038805
   Shop #: WSC 25162  

No fault code found.

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Address 0F: Digital Radio
Cannot be reached

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 1K0-909-605.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 909 605 AB    HW: 1K0 909 605 AB
   Component: 6K AIRBAG VW8R  034 8000  
   Revision: 05034000    Serial number: 003B6D0A0DAN  
   Coding: 0013899
   Shop #: WSC 01269 785 00200
   VCID: 6C81C9A6AA84036B27A-8038

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K0 959 339 G
   Component: BF-Gewichtsens. 007 0007

   Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6332MSME2B624C7ET

   Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6342MSME2B624935E

   Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6352QSME3A1C3509K

   Subsystem 5 - Serial number: 6362QSME432F1E3BV

   Subsystem 6 - Serial number: 63727SME12100235H

   Subsystem 7 - Serial number: 63827SME12100560J

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 BG    HW: 1K0 953 549 BG
   Component: J0527           051 0100  
   Coding: 0012122
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 78A9E5F6EEDCBFCBD32-802C

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX 
   Component: E0221           002 0010

2 Faults Found:
00888 - Wiper Switch for Intermittent Operation (E22) 
            014 - Defective - Intermittent
00446 - Function Limitation due to Under-Voltage 
            002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-17.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K6 920 974 A    HW: 1K6 920 974 A
   Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VDD 1216  
   Revision: V0002000    Serial number: VWX7Z0GN3NL85R
   Coding: 0007203
   Shop #: WSC 01287 785 00200
   VCID: 323D17DE4820959B2D6-8066

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels:. 1K0-907-530-V3.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 L    HW: 1K0 907 951 
   Component: J533  Gateway   H07 0052  
   Revision:   H07 01    Serial number: 121107F2000707
   Coding: ED811F070013020000
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 30391DD6462CA78B5B2-8064

1 Fault Found:
02649 - Digital Radio Tuner 
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 96
                    Mileage: 179617 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 00:09:59


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Address 1C: Position Sensing        Labels: 1Kx-919-xxx-1C.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K6 919 879     HW: 1K6 919 879 
   Component: Kompass         001 0003  
   Revision: 00001000    Serial number: 1225223T29YE03
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 7DA7F4E2C1FE9AE3804-8028

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 1K6 920 974 A    HW: 1K6 920 974 A
   Component: IMMO            VDD 1216  
   Revision: V0002000    Serial number: VWX7Z0GN3NL85R
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 323D17DE4820959B2D6-8066

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels:. 1K0-959-701-MIN3.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 701 M    HW: 1K0 959 701 M
   Component: Tuer-SG         006 1207  
   Coding: 0001077
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 382925F6AE5C7FCB132-806C

2 Faults Found:
01811 - Supply Voltage for Door Controller; Drivers Side (J386) 
            002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
00105 - Signal Central Locking SAVE/LOCK Drivers Side 
            008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1Kx-909-144-G2V3.clb
   Part No: 1K1 909 144 M
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.074 H08 1901  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 028 00001
   VCID: 35372CC2B94E82A3084-8060

1 Fault Found:
00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85) 
            014 - Defective

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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels:. 1K0-959-433-MAX.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 CT    HW: 1K0 959 433 CT
   Component:    KSG PQ35 RDK 052 0221  
   Revision: 00052000    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 1B9006885103281B0904058FB0080A04889C00
   Shop #: WSC 25162 444 85710
   VCID: 04518106A214EB2BCFA-8050

   Subsystem 1 - Component:   Sounder n.mounted     

   Subsystem 2 - Component:       NGS n.mounted     

   Subsystem 3 - Component:      IRUE n.mounted     

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels:. 1K0-959-702-MIN3.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 702 M    HW: 1K0 959 702 M
   Component: Tuer-SG         006 1207  
   Coding: 0001076
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 392F20F2955666C3ECC-806C

1 Fault Found:
01812 - Supply Voltage for Door Controller; Pass. Side (J387) 
            002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent

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Address 55: Headlight Range        Labels: 1T0-907-357.lbl
   Part No: 1T0 907 357 
   Component: Dynamische LWR      0003  
   Coding: 0000003
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 74B1D1C6F2B4DBABFFA-8020

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio        Labels: 1K0-035-1xx-56.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 035 180 L    HW: 1K0 035 180 L
   Component: Radio PM6       019 0035  
   Revision: 00019000    Serial number: VWZ5Z7G2191007
   Coding: 0040401
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 290FF0B265F6D6439CC-807C

5 Faults Found:
02218 - Satellite Radio (R146) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 2
                    Reset counter: 101
                    Mileage: 179617 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 00:01:34

00668 - Supply Voltage Terminal 30 
            002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100010
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 136
                    Time Indication: 0

00870 - Bass Speaker Front Left (R21) 
            011 - Open Circuit
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01101011
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 3
                    Reset counter: 101
                    Mileage: 179600 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 21:40:54

00872 - Bass Speaker Rear Left (R15) 
            011 - Open Circuit
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01101011
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 3
                    Reset counter: 101
                    Mileage: 179600 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 21:40:54

00856 - Radio Antenna 
            011 - Open Circuit
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01101011
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 2
                    Reset counter: 141
                    Mileage: 179596 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 22:28:20


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Address 65: Tire Pressure        Labels: 3C0-959-433-65.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 CT    HW: 1K0 959 433 CT
   Component:    RDK              0450  
   Revision: 00052000    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 0100101
   Shop #: WSC 131071 1023 2097151
   VCID: 04518106A214EB2BCFA-8050

No fault code found.

End----(Elapsed Time: 01:11, VBatt start/end: 11.8V/11.8V. VIgn 11.8V)-----

I did have to replace the battery and have since cleared the codes in the scan related to low voltage I get no response doing the reset/calibration procedures for the G85.

I am completely flummoxed. I wonder if I need to replace the wheel speed sensors? And/or the ABS button?
 
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Replacing the wheel speed sensors and/or ABS button will have no effect on the G85 problem.

If the measuring blocks don't show the steering angle changing when you turn the wheel then that's where you need to look - and not just at the sensor but the wiring to it.
 
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Thanks for the post and clarification. It has been a puzzle for sure. I will look in my Bentley's and see if I can find a wiring diagram. Any hints on where I could do a physical exam first?

The G85 is recent where it was working while I was working on an ignition cylinder solenoid issue and now it isn't. I have removed a examined the control module (under the steering wheel) pins on it and the connectors and all look fine and aligned.

I can live without the abs stuff but worry about how it effects the way the car shifts. This is a car that I replaced the mechatronic on and I am nervous that that there is a potential for communication issues between the steering wheel and the mechatronic. (Color me paranoid).
 
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Thanks again. Man, the things one can learn on the interweb eh? I really want to run this down because this is the last thing in my way.

I bought the car from my son to help him out when the DSG went out (mechatronic woes) and it had a host of other issues. The GTI has only 111k miles on it so it is relatively young.

Got the DSG fixed (ecutesting.com), the ignition cylinder solenoid, the heater flap motor and the turbo release valve fixed. Now this last niggly thing.

Thanks.
 
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I just noticed something. I recently replaced the battery as the one I got in April had gone faulty. The clock and trip odometer on this car randomly resets. I checked fuse 17 under the hood and it was fine.

So, the question is would this indicate a possible intermittent voltage problem that is tripping the steering wheel angle sensor?
 
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Hello,

Thank you for sending Ross-Tech support your email. Since we already have two pages here and the vested interest of the helpful forum members (thanks), it would be best to continue the conversations here, so that all may benefit over the course of time.

In the new Auto-Scan you sent, the ABS controller has now reported the following details:

Code:
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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK60-F.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 AC    HW: 1K0 907 379 AC
   Component: ESP FRONT MK60      0101  
   Revision: 00H11001    
   Coding: 0021122
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 73B3D2DAF7BADC93E60-8026

6 Faults Found:
01042 - Control Module; Not Coded 
            000 - - - Intermittent
01487 - System Function Test 
            000 - - - Intermittent
00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85) 
            014 - Defective
01486 - System Function Test Activated 
            000 - -
00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85) 
            005 - No or Incorrect Basic Setting / Adaptation
01542 - Yaw Rate Sensor (G202) 
            014 - Defective

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also the [44-Steering Assist] is not happy either....

Code:
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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1Kx-909-144-G2V3.clb
   Part No: 1K1 909 144 M
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.074 H08 1901  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 028 00001
   VCID: 35372CC2B94E82A3084-8060

2 Faults Found:
00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85) 
            014 - Defective
02546 - Steering Limit Stop 
            005 - No or Incorrect Basic Setting / Adaptation
             Freeze Frame:
                    Mileage: 179710 km
                    Temperature: 18.0°C
                    Voltage: 14.00 V
                    Voltage: 13.80 V


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Your battery voltage at the time looks fine,
End----------(Elapsed Time: 01:11, VBatt start/end: 13.9V/13.9V)-----------
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And besides a few "No Signal/Communication", "Intermittent" faults for the J285-Instrument cluster, the rest of the Infotainment controller faults are unremarkable.



Based on the prior Auto-Scans, the ABS controller still has the same coding [0021122] and the 01042 fault code is "Intermittent", so I would ignore that and see if it clears.


The 01487 - System Function Test (<-- Click on link for more info) will need to be completed once all the ABS and J500 controller fault codes have been cleared.


The fault code 00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85) (<-- Click on link for more info), says defective, but this is a brand new replacement part you said?
Was this part new from the dealership's parts department, ordered by the VIN?



So, the question is would this indicate a possible intermittent voltage problem that is tripping the steering wheel angle sensor?

I would recommend to check wiring, connections to the G85 sensor and the powers, grounds to the J527- Steering Column Electronic Systems Control Module as per the Official Factory Repair Information. Maybe there is a fault within the J527?

Also, there is a new fault code in the ABS, 01542 - Yaw Rate Sensor (G202) - 014- Defective (<-- Click on link for more info)
- Does this fault code clear?
- If not have a look at the Measuring Value Block(MVB)s in the ABS controller.
Use group [004], field (3). The value should be close to [0.0°] and move/change when the vehicle is shaken.

The G202 could be faulty if the value does not change. You will want to verify the wiring and connections to the G202 before replacing it.


Hope this helps, let us know what you find,

drpeter
 
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Thank you for this response. I removed the steering column control module and checked all wiring connections, all pins appeared straight and solid, I removed and replaced the connectors and checked them as well. No joy.

I will check the ground connection next once I find it. Suggestions as to where to look would be welcome. The Steering Wheel Angle sensor is new and the second new one I bought from Pelican Parts. They checked the part against my serial number before sending it to me.

I will read and follow the Official Factory Repair guidance next.

I had the mechatronic unit repaired on this unit by ecutesting.com and it has been working fine. But, now with all the new issues I am getting intermittent flashin/blinking PRNDS lights when I accelerate. I do not want to panic yet but wonder if the PRNDS could be related to the issues with the steering sensor and ABS issues confusing the mechatronic?

The latest scan shows the ABS coding error is gone with only the 00778, 01486 and 00778 codes remaining.

The steering assist shows the 00778 and 02546 codes.

The steering wheel has gotten really heavy as if there is no power steering.

I tried to do the function test in a local parking lot and not sure it did anything.

Thanks again.
 
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Hi, I'm in no way an VW expert but this forum helps me all the time so I’m trying to give back.

Does MVB 007 say SteerAng n Lnit or SteerAng lnit ? I’m pretty sure you have to Initialise the part so it reads SteerAng lnit see its missing the n in-between.

I have 2 cars with the same problem as yours so I’m not sorted either, I was trying to find an answer & come across yours & I thought id try & help.

Ron
 
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