Touran 5T engine DTSB coding for cruise control - no labelfile available yet

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could anybody tell me which are the bits for coding criuse control in DTSB engine?

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Address 01: Engine (J623-DTSB) Labels: None
Part No SW: 05L 906 022 KD HW: 05L 907 309 T
Component: R4 2.0l TDI H80 1984
Revision: EBH80--- CVN: 5CA6ABAF914A6D2022E7CED8914A6D2043FB2DAA
Coding: 012500320304150820000000000000000000000000000000
Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM20TDI01105L906022KD 007001
ROD: EV_ECM20TDI01105L906022KK.rod
VCID: F3B830B91B364B93571-80A6
VINID: 9E65EAAAA064A9E9C004604314087D455A

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0

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The topic is: "labels: None"

I have sent maps already, but I think it will take a while... I would assume that at least some bitsof this ECU are known already. Hopefully.

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Typo in title! DTSB, not DTRB. How to edit?
 
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SWaP enabled under gateway? If no license is activated, not possible to code.
 
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Ah - I see! The details of how SWaP works are new to me and I am very interested.
I have found in blockmap of gateway: (after a long procedure of converting a VERY long string to a table)


IDE04329-ENG118721
Status aller SWaP Funktionen-SWaP_function_state array
IdentifikationsnummerFreischaltcode einer SWaP FunktionStornierungIndividualisierungsmerkmalVorbedingungen erfülltKonfigurationFunktionenAuthentifizierung
10 00 03 00verfügbarneingültigBedingung erfülltin Ordnungvorhandengültig
10 00 01 00nicht verfügbarjaungültigBedingung nicht erfülltin Ordnungvorhandenungültig
10 00 11 00nicht verfügbarjaungültigBedingung nicht erfülltin Ordnungvorhandenungültig
10 00 12 00verfügbarneingültigBedingung erfülltin Ordnungvorhandengültig
10 00 13 00nicht verfügbarjaungültigBedingung nicht erfülltin Ordnungvorhandenungültig
10 00 14 00nicht verfügbarjaungültigBedingung nicht erfülltin Ordnungvorhandenungültig
10 00 15 00nicht verfügbarjaungültigBedingung nicht erfülltin Ordnungvorhandenungültig
10 00 16 00nicht verfügbarjaungültigBedingung nicht erfülltin Ordnungvorhandenungültig
10 00 17 00nicht verfügbarjaungültigBedingung nicht erfülltin Ordnungvorhandenungültig
10 00 18 00nicht verfügbarjaungültigBedingung nicht erfülltin Ordnungvorhandenungültig
10 00 19 00nicht verfügbarjaungültigBedingung nicht erfülltin Ordnungvorhandenungültig
10 00 1A 00nicht verfügbarjaungültigBedingung nicht erfülltin Ordnungvorhandenungültig
10 00 1B 00nicht verfügbarjaungültigBedingung nicht erfülltin Ordnungvorhandenungültig
00 00 00 00nicht verfügbarjaungültigBedingung nicht erfülltnicht in Ordnungnicht vorhandenungültig
00 00 00 00nicht verfügbarjaungültigBedingung nicht erfülltnicht in Ordnungnicht vorhandenungültig
 
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And there is "IDE04332,Freischaltcode einer SWaP Funktion,2D 2D 2D ....." a placeholder for the code to be entered for activation

and "IDE04334,Public Key für SWaP Funktion,99 19 70 20 DD A9 1D 14 0A BB ...." which is obviously individual for my car and is needed to calculate the activation code.

Do you know what these identification numbers ("10 00 03 00" ...) stand for? I assume there is kind of a catalogue at VW associated.

I am very curious!

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Hello golfi_vend,
did you mean if SWaP is enabled at all? Not a specific item?
Can you see from the table I have posted what is available and what is not?
Would be great if I could learn some more..
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Hi! Yesterday I installed the new VCDS Version: 22.10.0.1 (x64), but still no label file for the motor DTSB...
Can someone estimate when we will get a label file?
Or disclose the meaning of the coding bits of this engine control unit - as far as known? It's not that new either...

I would be happy if I could get some guidance
/yutani
 
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Byte 5 Bit 5 for PR-8T2
 
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NEtech, thank you very much! This was the information I needed. I can select "Cruise Control" in Dashboard Menu now. Before it was only "Speed Limiter" possible.

I was hoping - but not really expecting - that it would be that simple. And indeed: It is NOT!

I get Engine MIL flashing and fault code 34393 "check coding of control units in power train". Followed by communication errors all over.
Not surprised, I was afraid that this would happen. Set back Bit 5, deleted all errors, everthing fine again.

But my question is now: Do I need to replace the levers and multifunction buttons to get correct Hardwar coding fot cruise control operation (it is "limiter only" right now, PR = 8T9)?
Or do I need to have SWaP activation document to eneable cruise control?
Or both ???? (I am still reluctant to believe that hardware coding of the levers and buttons has to be corrected by HW replacement...)

fyi my protocol: (I did it with german VCDS, so text is german)

Adresse 01,05L 906 022 KD,umcodiert (Lange Codierung),von,012500320304150820000000000000000000000000000000,auf,012500320324150820000000000000000000000000000000,(01357/011/00200),
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Adresse 01: Motorelektronik Labeldatei: Keine
Steuergerät-Teilenummer: 05L 906 022 KD HW: 05L 907 309 T
Bauteil und/oder Version: R4 2.0l TDI H80 1984
Codierung: 012500320324150820000000000000000000000000000000
Betriebsnummer: WSC 01357 011 00200
ASAM Datensatz: EV_ECM20TDI01105L906022KD 007001 (VW37)
ROD: EV_ECM20TDI01105L906022KK.rod
VCID: F3B830B91AB64B93660-80A6
1 Fehler gefunden:

34393 - Codierung/Varianten der Steuergeräte im Antriebsstrang prüfen
P1647 00 [167] - -
[Checking coding/versions ofin powertrain]
Warnleuchte EIN - unbestätigt - geprüft seit letzter Löschung
Umgebungsbedingungen:
Fehlerstatus: 00000001
Fehlerpriorität: 2
Fehlerhäufigkeit: 2
Verlernzähler: 40
Kilometerstand: 1916 km
Datum: 2022.11.23
Zeit: 20:29:48

Motordrehzahl: 0.00 /min
Normierter Lastwert: 0.0 %
Fahrzeuggeschwindigkeit: 0 km/h
Kühlmitteltemperatur: 8 °C
Ansauglufttemperatur: 8 °C
Umgebungsluftdruck: 980 mbar
Spannung Klemme 30: 12.180 V
Verlernzähler nach OBD: 40
Variante des ACC-Bits 0-7: 0
Beschleunigung: 0.000 m/s²
Schalter für GRA: Betätigung-Bits 0-7: 0
Schalter für GRA: Betätigung-Bits 0-7: 34
Variante des ACC (Codierung)-Bits 0-7: 1
Beschleunigung: 0.000 m/s²


Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0

Anyway your advice is very much appreciated!
/yutani
 
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You need GRA license in Gateway, this can be done with one-time license key and online activation.
This can't be bought separate and must be bought together with retrofit kit, containing all needed bits(Stalks, wiring, Acc.pedal).

Also what kind of setup You currently have? Most likely You need to either add stalk cruise option or replace stalk and add cruise MFSW buttons.
 
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I have ordered the car without ACC (stalk cruise?) Speed Limiter was included. I assumed that normal cruise control would be included as well. I have already learned in Germany what to order to get a retrofit... I am so angry! Driving with Limiter at full throttle - it needs to get used to, but it is not that bad. The fee for Retrofit is not worth the minimal bebefit to get a criuse control I am used to (in the last 20 years).
 
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