Skoda octavia Big problem...

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Witam wszystkich Hello everyone. I have a big problem with skoda octavia 2.0 tdi. The problem is that there are no errors in the driver and the car randomly can not fire and behaves as on the attached video. I think I've already replaced all the sensors, I replaced the engine controller with another one But it still does not solve the problem. I would be very grateful for any suggestion that can help me solve this problem... I attach a scan of the car and a video of how the car behaves when it does not want to start.



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Tuesday,19,July,2022,15:34:03:03973
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 22.3.1.4 (x64)  HEX-NET CB: 0.4615.4
Data version: 20220407 DS337.0
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: TMBCE61Z0B2165245   License Plate:
Mileage: 161950km-100631mi   Repair Order:



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Chassis Type: 1Z-SK35 (7N0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 10 15 16 17 19 25 42 44 46 52 55 56 62 69 72

VIN: TMBCE61Z0B2165245   Mileage: 161950km-100631miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: Malfunction 0010
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
69-Trailer -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
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Address 01: Engine (J623-CFHC)       Labels:. 03L-906-018-CFF.clb
   Part No SW: 03L 906 018 C    HW: 03L 906 018 BR
   Component: R4 2.0l TDI   H23 9978
   Revision: 42H23---    Serial number:                CVN: 10A3DCB3
   Coding: 00190012042400080000
   Shop #: WSC 48460 001 1048576
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM20TDI01103L906018C 003008
   ROD: EV_ECM20TDI01103L906018C.rod
   VCID: 2A1811AE4DF0ACDFB1-807E
   VINID: 91D49354606A01208118508414219585C1

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:. 1K0-907-379-60EC1F.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 BE    HW: 1K0 907 379 BE
   Component: ESP MK60EC1   H31 0108
   Revision: 00H31001  
   Coding: 113B401C092800FF880D02E8901E0042350000
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00097
   VCID: 76A0F5DEC1C8B83FE5-8022

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels:| 5K0-907-044.clb
   Part No SW: 3T0 907 044 BE    HW: 3T0 907 044 BE
   Component: Climatronic   H16 0402
   Revision: 00006001  
   Coding: 0000000002
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00097
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Climatronic A01010
   ROD: EV_ClimaAutoBasis_SK35.rod
   VCID: 76A0F5DEC9C8B83FE5-8022

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 1K0-937-08x-09.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 937 087 J    HW: 1K0 937 087 J
   Component: BCM PQ35  H   103 0615
   Revision: 00103 AE  
   Coding: 40000AB8E00508C040080080510091E4437000AE726D85605C8440000040
   Shop #: WSC 52973 107 93054
   VCID: 383C3BE68B5C0E4F37-806C

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 955 559 AH  Labels: 1K0-955-559-AG.CLB
   Component: RLS 020511 05  54  0403
   Coding: 0730ED

2 Faults Found:
00153 - Windshield Wiper Motor;  Driver Side (V216)
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 165
                    Mileage: 161951 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2016.12.09
                    Time: 04:21:44

             Freeze Frame:
                        Term 15 On
                    Voltage: 11.95 V
                        ON
                        ON
                        Term 50 Off
                        OFF
                        OFF

00907 - Intervention load Management
            000 - -
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100000
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 165
                    Mileage: 161951 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2016.12.09
                    Time: 04:22:05

             Freeze Frame:
                        Term 15 On
                    Voltage: 11.95 V
                        ON
                        ON
                        Term 50 Off
                        OFF
                        OFF


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Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J446)       Labels:| 5J0-919-475.clb
   Part No SW: 5J0 919 475 A    HW: 5J0 919 475 A
   Component: PARKHILFE 4K  H11 0005
   Revision: --H11---    Serial number: 32901112200108
   Coding: 11000E
   Shop #: WSC 13765 790 00097
   ASAM Dataset: EV_EPHVA14SKxxx0000 001001
   ROD: EV_EPHVA14SKxxx0000_001.rod
   VCID: 33260CCA9A3AED1702-8066

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 1K0-909-605.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 909 605 T    HW: 1K0 909 605 T
   Component: Q6 AIRBAG VW8   020 2300
   Revision: 05020000    Serial number: 0038PD2PZW9N
   Coding: 0020790
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00097
   VCID: 3D322AF2647E2B67E4-8068

   Subsystem 1 - Serial number: 6332MSME5F0413043

   Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6342MSME5D442C14H

   Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6351HSME271259520

   Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6361HSME2712630D2

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels:| 5K0-953-569.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 521 BL    HW: 5K0 953 569 C
   Component: LENKS.MODUL   014 0140
   Revision: FF010040    Serial number: 20110509200731
   Coding: 5080140000
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00097
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SMLSNGVOLWSXS A01004
   ROD: EV_SMLSNGVOLWS.rod
   VCID: 77BEF8DACEC2C137FE-8022

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
   Part No SW: 1Z0 920 843 M    HW: 1Z0 920 843 M
   Component: KOMBI         H20 0420
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 110E01
   Shop #: WSC 73430 031 00097
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04089
   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_SK35.rod
   VCID: 42C8590ED580549F99-8016

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 7N0-907-530-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 7N0 907 530 C    HW: 1K0 907 951
   Component: J533  Gateway H37 0614
   Revision:   H37       Serial number: 050511F1002360
   Coding: 351302
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00097
   VCID: 302C03C6632CD60F7F-8064

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 5K0 953 234
   Component: IMMO          H20 0420
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03008
   ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09_VW21.rod
   VCID: 6A98D1AE8D706CDF71-803E

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels:. 1K0-959-701-MIN3.clb
   Part No SW: 1T0 959 701 T    HW: 1T0 959 701 T
   Component: Tuer-SG         009 2119
   Coding: 0000244
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00097
   VCID: 48DC4B263BBC7ECF47-801C

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1K0-909-14x-GEN3.clb
   Part No: 1K0 909 144 M
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl. 69     3201
   Revision: 00H20000  
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00097
   VCID: 34240FD65734EA2F1B-8060

1 Fault Found:
03803 - Steering Angle Sensor for Steering Aid
            000 - - - MIL ON
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 11100000
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 161951 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2016.12.09
                    Time: 04:21:44

             Freeze Frame:
                    Battery Volts: 12.0 V
                        DD
                    Temperature: 24.0°C
                    Count: 2
                    Steering Angle: 0.00°
                    Count: 1
                        SteerAng n.Init


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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels:. 1K0-959-702-MIN3.clb
   Part No SW: 1T0 959 702 R    HW: 1T0 959 702 R
   Component: Tuer-SG         009 2119
   Coding: 0000244
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00097
   VCID: 47DE481A36A271B74E-8012

No fault code found.

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Address 55: Headlight Range        Labels: 5M0-907-357-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 5M0 907 357 C    HW: 5M0 907 357 C
   Component: AFS-Steuergeraet    0148
   Revision: 00H04000    Serial number:             
   Coding: 1507354
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00097
   VCID: 34240FD65734EA2F1B-8060

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 7L6 941 329 B  Labels: 3D0-941-329.CLB
   Component: AFS-Lst.-Modul l    0004
   Coding: 00000023

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 7L6 941 329 B  Labels: 3D0-941-329.CLB
   Component: AFS-Lst.-Modul r    0004
   Coding: 00000023

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio (J503)       Labels:. 5M0-035-1xx-56.clb
   Part No SW: 1Z0 035 161 F    HW: 1Z0 035 161 F
   Component: SWING         009 0065
   Revision: 0I001001    Serial number: SKZ1Z2L9052265
   Coding: 0D0004000001
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00097
   VCID: 312A06C26826DF0770-8064

1 Fault Found:
00856 - Radio Antenna
            011 - Open Circuit
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01101011
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 165
                    Mileage: 161951 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2016.12.09
                    Time: 04:21:54


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Address 62: Door, Rear Left        Labels:. 1K0-959-703-GEN3.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 959 703 A    HW: 5K0 959 703 A
   Component: Tuer-SG         007 2101
   Coding: 0000144
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 1012545
   VCID: 322809CEAD20E41F09-8066

No fault code found.

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Address 69: Trailer (J345)       Labels:. 1K0-907-383-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 383 F    HW: 1K0 907 383 F
   Component: Anhaenger     H09 0100
   Revision: 3A001001    Serial number: 00000147673124
   Coding: 410D000100000000
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00097
   VCID: 302C03C6632CD60F7F-8064

No fault code found.

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right        Labels:. 1K0-959-704-GEN3.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 959 704 A    HW: 5K0 959 704 A
   Component: Tuer-SG         007 2101
   Coding: 0000144
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 1012545
   VCID: 33260CCA523AED1702-8066

No fault code found.

End----------(Elapsed Time: 01:13, VBatt start/end: 12.0V/12.0V)-----------
 
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I already added because I had a small problem with the computer but it worked.
 
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RPM gauge shows nothing while cranking.

Please have a look at this measuring value in the ECU while cranking:
IDE00021-ENG167462 -- Engine RPM

If it remains at zero as well, I would think you have a problem with the crankshaft speed sensor.

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The rotation of the shaft sensor can be seen on the values, I also pulled it out there were metal filings on it, it was cleaned and it did not help.
 
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Hi
Odd how you have no rpm on the tacho does it work when running or when tested , can you see cam and crank rotations ? also is your lift pump supplying fuel ? If not does it run when commanded i kinda think you may have a fueling issue no expertise on my part here just a guess.
 
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I can see the rotation of the crank and cams, the fuel pressure is also there. When I give a self-start the car fires immediately and when I turn it off again does not want to fire. When I unplug the computer for the night and in the morning connect it auto fires up immediately but only once and then again what happens on the film.

I do not understand why these lights blink from the engine, dpf and glow plug, then you can hear the relays in the control unit turning on as if it was turning on and off. I still dismantled the starter because I thought that maybe it does some disturbances, but after regeneration it is exactly the same ...

When I spin the starter longer looks like he wanted to start but he can not, but just add a little self-start and the car fires immediately, everything then you can drive the car 500km and nothing will happen, but if only extinguished the situation from the film returns ...

Injectors are also checked in the Bosch service, they are fine.

It looks like a problem as if there is a lack of tension somewhere, but I really have no idea for this car, probably everything has already been checked and still does not work ...
 
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I put on a new crankshaft sensor to be sure, it also did not do anything.
 
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I can see the rotation of the crank and cams,
so..what is it > What rpm do you have, what rotations you see on camshaft? Have you tried to start it with the camshaft sensor unplugged? It will crank a litlle longer but it would start ( so we can eliminate that camshaft). Also what's your fuel pressure and ecu voltage while cranking engine? post values please
 
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The rotation of the shaft and the camshaft combat are fine I checked them many times as well as put on new sensors, it does not give anything. The fuel pressure is also fine, because the injectors on it spray fuel perfectly. With the sensor unfastened, the timing fight car behaves the same as with the plugged in. Ecu power supply also fine during the start. However, I noticed today that when I unplug the shaft sensor and try to fire then the lights do not flash but the car then will not fire for a known reason. So it comes out as if something was doing a disturbance on the shaft sensor only now what could be the cause?
 
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It could be a bad camshaft sensor perhaps..i am stumped ..
 
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Hmm but why when the car fires up at the same start goes without the slightest problem? I also replaced the camshaft sensor so it's probably not that.
 
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please be kind and check values of EGR , DPF diff press sensor and EGT's before you attempt to start it and while you're cranking...also please post video of fuel pressure, you should have at least 250-280 bars, you say the pressure is fine but never told us what that okay pressure was. I am thinking that you're either resetting the fuel press regulator or something that keeps the car from starting when you unplug ECU. Did you try to only take the minus of the battery off and see if it will start ?
 
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Dpf and egr is fine, I also turned them off electronically to see if they are not a problem so it's not a problem dpf and egr. I also replaced the fuel pressure valve and it did not change anything, tomorrow I will record a video with the fuel pressure and share
 
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start engine with "starter spary" into intake just to keep some rpm for some time ...keep spray it to keep engine running for few sec
then you should see error in ECu what is really faulty
 
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But when you use the starter spray auto will immediately fire up and will work perfectly. There are no errors.
 
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But when you use the starter spray auto will immediately fire up and will work perfectly. There are no errors.
then only one solution - proper diagnostic and proper understandig of MB value
not just " Yes, I can see" ...
 
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YeYes, it seems simple but it is not. In the car, in theory, everything is fine and yet it does not fire. I'm not the first person to fight this car anymore. I've already talked to various people in the industry and no one has ever had such a case...
 
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YeYes, it seems simple but it is not. In the car, in theory, everything is fine and yet it does not fire. I'm not the first person to fight this car anymore. I've already talked to various people in the industry and no one has ever had such a case...
......so they not right
 
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So what do you think to check?
 
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