Snap-On Vantage Pro someone?

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Hey! :)

I have an occasion to buy low used 2009 Vantage Pro scope for fairly good price. My question is any of you had/still have this machine and what is your opinion? Should I buy it or not? :confused: I'm starting to feel a need for oscilloscope when I work with new VW's. :D
 
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I would advise against it..............

I had this scope THUMBS DOWN Poorly made POS! Dumped it.

Plus I have others and know how to use them.............. very rarely do I find the need to have to break one out on a car for a repair.

Especially on later 2005 > ON cars.

The sample rate is so fast in the controllers now, that it is not very often at all VCDS doesn't see something in blocks.

I would rather have a good tone generator and multi-meter on hand.

If you find you think you really do need a scope........ hold out for Fluke.

Two tools in shops that don't pay to buy anymore in shop. AVR/Load tester or scope......
 
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Hmm, if I were fixing cars for a living, I would definitely want a 'scope. Just as a current example, I'd be using one to see what I could see at various points on the LIN bus to 2010 B8's AC pressure sensor.

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Thanks for your replies. I don't have tone generator yet, (Jack, do you recommend any?) but I do have very good multi-meter, Fluke 87V :D Fluke also made scope for Vantage Pro.

BTW what "POS" means?
 
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A scope is still and always will be a handy tool to have in the workshop. But I'd personally advise a standalone scope, not one of these built in diagnostic items. Something like a Pico or Hantek would do grand, but it's a big expense for something that isn't used so often. As jack has said, VCDS will pick up things in mvb or fault codes which in 90% of cases you can use on it's own to repair issues. But I always like a confirmation, a scope will give you this IF you know how to use it correctly.
 
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Ive got this scope in my workshop, have only had it for around 2 months, the thing i like most about it is it gives you full talk through from plug info to scope patterns, i wouldnt have paid full price for it (my unit was second hand but full up to date)

I class it like my smoke pro, its a little extra tool that can help locate a problem and take the guess work out of it
 
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Hmm, if I were fixing cars for a living, I would definitely want a 'scope. Just as a current example, I'd be using one to see what I could see at various points on the LIN bus to 2010 B8's AC pressure sensor.

-Uwe-


Well I would agree.........however, what else is it going to tell you that you already don't know which was reported by VCDS for the untrained eye?
You know COM is down and from which respective sensor with VCDS.

I think if people paid more attention on how to read a WD, and used forward thinking to see/test what is shared with that cross component, they would fix a lot more cars.

Using wrong/AFT/Poor quality parts, and installing pins in wrong locations only compound a problem.

How is that person going to understand the scope, or even hook it up when fucking up a 3 pin connection?

Fluke makes a great cheap tone gen set at any Home Depot for 70 bucks.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fluke-Netwo...683?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d3203b593

And is now selling the new one to for 200 USD http://www.homedepot.com/p/Fluke-Ne...200-Toner-and-Probe-Kit-MT-8200-60A/203488880

Both support ear piece.

I think and continue to recommend this cheap meter from Harbor Freight for starter techs, since it lights the ports and alarms when hooking it up wrong for the complete idiot.

http://www.harborfreight.com/5-in-1-digital-multimeter-98674.html

Thanks for your replies. I don't have tone generator yet, (Jack, do you recommend any?) but I do have very good multi-meter, Fluke 87V Fluke also made scope for Vantage Pro.

BTW what "POS" means?

POS = Piece of Shit
You should probably read into that relationship and where it went with Snapper.
Not being produced anymore for a reason.

There is also a reason a Fluke 98 20 years later still brings $1200-800 used.

Tools have to work and have practicality in an automotive setting.

Maybe build a CAN Analyzer into VCDS display..................

http://teledynelecroy.com/options/productseries.aspx?mseries=396&groupid=88


Old but good read to the leads.
http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1298071

http://teledynelecroy.com/oscilloscope/

See something still good out of NY and CA

Wave generators are fun to play with when tricking stuff..........

Simulate waves in VCDS on CAN or LIN .............hmmmmm now there's an idea...... since you already know what good cars do at idle.

I can dream right? An extra lead out of HEX-NET Interface over Wi-Fi to T in to OBD Y or direct path to LIN.

If we had that feature you would know if it was module J519 immediately.

The only reason I had to know how to use a scope/meter was before these things used called OBD didn't exist in the industry.

I recall when first OBD came out in Audi 5000 using the tach and MPH gage to display codes.
I still found it faster at the time to go read the handful of sensors with a meter.

With this meter I built too.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Archer-...616?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c9c383e08

https://www.sparkfun.com/products/12848

 
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I think and continue to recommend this cheap meter from Harbor Freight for starter techs, since it lights the ports and alarms when hooking it up wrong for the complete idiot.

http://www.harborfreight.com/5-in-1-digital-multimeter-98674.html

The Mastech MS8229 (what HF cloned) sells for $10-$15 less on the Amazonian pirate den:

http://www.p-mastech.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=151&category_id=3&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=29

http://www.amazon.com/Mastech-MS8229-Auto-Range-Multi-functional-Multimeter/dp/B000JKMTDM/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top?&ie=UTF8

Imagine that. Someone can beat Hazard Fraught's prices..... :)
 
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Well the Freight was selling for $39.99 and within last year raised the price due to demand.
 
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