"Coding out" DSG gear shift indicator in VW Golf MK5 full MFD tacho

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Hello to everyone. I am about to do a little project, swapping half MFD to full MFD in VW Golf MK5 2005. I know this cannot be done with VCDS, but I have other tools for that. The only donor tacho I can get now (and I did not buy it yet, because I am not sure if it will work) is from the car with DSG transmission, but my car is equipped with manual transmission. In the lower part of the donor tacho (picture 2.jpg from the web) is the DSG gear shift indicator. Is there any way to get rid of it to look like in picture 1.jpg? I attached VCDS log from the car with current (half MFD).

Thanks for your help!

Primoz

Code:
Tuesday,22,March,2022,09:01:23:38999
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 22.3.0.1 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4613.4
Data version: 20220225 DS336.1
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WVWZZZ1KZ5W064982   License Plate:
Mileage: 197080km-122459mi   Repair Order:



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Chassis Type: 1K (1K0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 25 42 44 46 52 56 7D

VIN: WVWZZZ1KZ5W064982   Mileage: 197080km-122459miles

00-Steering Angle Sensor -- Status: OK 0000
01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
7D-Aux. Heat -- Status: Malfunction 0010
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Address 01: Engine        Labels: 03G-906-016-BKC.clb
   Part No SW: 03G 906 016 FS    HW: 028 101 195 5
   Component: R4 1,9L EDC G000SG  6124 
   Revision: 12345678    Serial number: VWZ7Z0D0394606
   Coding: 0000071
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 79AFEBCDF5D0D7B388C-802C
   VINID: 9E69EAAAA05BA859C018424808A0078936

1 Fault Found:
17057 - Cylinder 3 Glow Plug Circuit (Q12)
            P0673 - 000 - Electrical Fault
             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 0 /min
                    Torque: 144.0 Nm
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Load: 0.0 %
                    Voltage: 11.70 V
                    Bin. Bits: 00001111
                    Temperature: 7.2°C
                    Bin. Bits: 00110000

Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK70.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 907 379 N
   Component: ASR FRONT MK70      0103 
   Coding: 0017025
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 3D273FDDA1782B93E44-8068

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 1K0-907-044.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 907 044 AT
   Component: ClimatronicPQ35 066 0606 
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 79AFEBCDF5D0D7B388C-802C

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels:. 3C0-937-049-23-H.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 937 049 T    HW: 1K0 937 049 T*
   Component: Bordnetz-SG 1.0 H30 0704 
   Revision: 00030000    Serial number: 00000000896116
   Coding: 01890B0600041800001400001400000000
   Shop #: WSC 07149 690 10000
   VCID: 40D94629D68A467B8F2-8014

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K1 955 119 B  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer VW350  012  0401 
   Coding: 00065493
   Shop #: WSC 07149 

4 Faults Found:
01064 - Terminal 58d; Interior Dimming
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
02404 - Vehicle Exterior Illumination
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
01500 - Bulb for Fog-Lamps; Right (L23)
            010 - Open or Short to Plus
02395 - Parking Light Front Right (M3)
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 1K0-909-605.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 909 605 H    HW: 1K0 909 605 H
   Component: 01 AIRBAG VW8   023 0700 
   Revision: 06023000    Serial number: 00385D0HRCZY 
   Coding: 0012337
   Shop #: WSC 01268 785 00200
   VCID: 313F13ED6D20DFF370C-8064

   Subsystem 1 - Serial number: 6332MSME28354604

   Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6342MSME134C7D03

   Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6351HSME12194A03

   Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6361HSME31445803

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 B    HW: 1K0 953 549 B
   Component: Lenksäulenmodul 013 0010 
   Coding: 0002042
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 313F13ED6D20DFF370C-8064

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX
   Component: Lenkradmodul    002 0010

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-17.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 920 851 B
   Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VDD 0814 
   Coding: 0003103
   Shop #: WSC 11111 111 11111
   VCID: 270BFDB553E49143AE8-8072

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels:. 1K0-907-530-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 E    HW: 1K0 907 951
   Component: Gateway         H09 0110 
   Revision: 09          Serial number: 270010481304CD
   Coding: 3D0F0B40070000
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 290FFB8D45F0A733B8C-807C

2 Faults Found:
01304 - Radio
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 254
                    Reset counter: 20
                    Mileage: 193220 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 00:20:43

01305 - Databus for Infotainment
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100100
                    Fault Priority: 1
                    Fault Frequency: 254
                    Reset counter: 60
                    Mileage: 193220 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 00:20:51


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Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No: 1K0 920 851 B
   Component: IMMO            VDD 0814 
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 270BFDB553E49143AE8-8072

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 1K0-959-701-MIN1.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 959 701 E
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet 09 0149 
   Coding: 0000052
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 303916E9662AD6FB7F2-8064

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1Kx-909-144-G2V2.clb
   Part No: 1K1 909 144 G
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.6       1401 
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 2F3B15957B14C903668-807A

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels:. 1K0-959-433-MIN.clb
   Part No: 1K0 959 433 BK
   Component: 01 KSG              0301 
   Coding: 80C802087F2D8404084A01E010
   Shop #: WSC 00000 785 00200
   VCID: 7AADF4C1F0D6DCAB816-802E

   Subsystem 1 - Component:   Sounder n.mounted     

   Subsystem 2 - Component:       NGS n.mounted     

   Subsystem 3 - Component:      IRUE n.mounted     

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 1K0-959-702-MAX1.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 959 702 G
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet 09 0153 
   Coding: 0000052
   Shop #: WSC 07149 298 06375
   VCID: 333319E5973CEDE3020-8066

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio
Cannot be reached

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Address 7D: Aux. Heat        Labels: 1K0-963-235.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 963 235 E    HW: 1K0 963 235 E
   Component: PTC-Element         0404 
   Revision: 00800000    Serial number:               
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 2D070F9D7118BB13544-8078

1 Fault Found:
00361 - Heater Element for Auxiliary Heater (Z35)
            014 - Defective

End----------(Elapsed Time: 00:55, VBatt start/end: 12.5V/12.4V)-----------
 
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Here are the pictures..
 
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Standard procedure would be to determine if that cluster was (ever) equipped with manual transmissions. In earlier days, automatic transmission models had instrument clusters with different firmware/parametrization. If that can be ruled out, coding is the next step but I am reasonably certain back in those days, it was a different cluster for manual transmission models.
 
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Thanks for your answer... is there any way to find out if the tacho was intended for automatic/manual transmission on the sticker on the backside? I found some of them on the scrapyard, where noone declares if it comes from the car with manual or automatic transmission. And the second question, let's assume both automatic and manual transmission tacho's have the same firmware. What is the proper way to code out the gear shif indicator? Thanks!

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I've not yet seen a MK5 cluster that can't do both (at least for the Immo4A versions). I've swapped clusters in my cars and have used auto versions in my manual car - the gear indicator doesn't show once everything is matched and coded etc. I can't recall if the cluster actually needs coding for the indicator/trans type - I'm somewhat sure it uses what's coded in the gateway and only shows the display when the gateway is coded for auto. It certainly wasn't difficult.

8 = km/h (9 = MPH)
5 = low version (6 = mid, 7 = high)
1 = generation: I think there are LIN differences? regarding multifunction steering wheel capabilty and other changes that can affect compatibility. 4 and up are Immo4C, I can't recall 3 - I think it 4C, but not sure right now.

You do have to make sure the part numbers are compatible for other issues. Your 1K0 920 851 B would be best replaced with a 1K0 920 871 *, making sure you have a diesel rev counter and suitable spedometer range, which is determined by the letter... but the letter for one part number may be totally different to another part number, even though it's the same specs, i.e. Suffix "B" may be a diesel, 220km/h for one part number, but a petrol 260km/h for a different numbered part...

I suspect you could also "move up" to a slightly newer 1K0 920 872 *, but you will NOT be able to easily use an 874 version and I think not an 873 either (the 4 uses Immo4C and I'm pretty sure the 3 is too. Your cluster is 4A).

When you're extracting the SKC from you old cluster, DO NOT be tempted to fiddle with anything else - you want to make sure you have a functional cluster before you run a risk of bricking the only one that works.

I have a shelf in my Barn with 5 or 6 clusters that all function in my car :D But also one that is 100% bricked :facepalm:
 
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Yes, Mk5 tachos are the same for both manual and automatic gearboxes. So the display of the gear selector is probably a coding matter.

1 = generation: I think there are LIN differences? regarding multifunction steering wheel capabilty and other changes that can affect compatibility. 4 and up are Immo4C, I can't recall 3 - I think it 4C, but not sure right now.
There is no LIN in the tacho :) 0-2 is immo4a and 3-4 is immo4c. One can match a immo4c cluster to a immo4a vehicle - back in '14 I had a forum member do a full MFD red cluster upgrade to my 2004 Mk5 and it worked. Obviously this was done using other specialized tools.
 
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I've not yet seen a MK5 cluster that can't do both (at least for the Immo4A versions). I've swapped clusters in my cars and have used auto versions in my manual car - the gear indicator doesn't show once everything is matched and coded etc. I can't recall if the cluster actually needs coding for the indicator/trans type - I'm somewhat sure it uses what's coded in the gateway and only shows the display when the gateway is coded for auto. It certainly wasn't difficult.

8 = km/h (9 = MPH)
5 = low version (6 = mid, 7 = high)
1 = generation: I think there are LIN differences? regarding multifunction steering wheel capabilty and other changes that can affect compatibility. 4 and up are Immo4C, I can't recall 3 - I think it 4C, but not sure right now.

You do have to make sure the part numbers are compatible for other issues. Your 1K0 920 851 B would be best replaced with a 1K0 920 871 *, making sure you have a diesel rev counter and suitable spedometer range, which is determined by the letter... but the letter for one part number may be totally different to another part number, even though it's the same specs, i.e. Suffix "B" may be a diesel, 220km/h for one part number, but a petrol 260km/h for a different numbered part...

I suspect you could also "move up" to a slightly newer 1K0 920 872 *, but you will NOT be able to easily use an 874 version and I think not an 873 either (the 4 uses Immo4C and I'm pretty sure the 3 is too. Your cluster is 4A).

When you're extracting the SKC from you old cluster, DO NOT be tempted to fiddle with anything else - you want to make sure you have a functional cluster before you run a risk of bricking the only one that works.

I have a shelf in my Barn with 5 or 6 clusters that all function in my car :D But also one that is 100% bricked :facepalm:
@NZDubNurd, thank you very much for your detailed explanation! May I write you a pm?

Regards!
 
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