Ukraine

[JMR]

The renewable energy and electric cars are just a fad and trend for now. These forms of energy are very expensive to start producing , not to even bring the word about the electric cars and the pollution they are producing making a battery. They have charging electric cars stations running on diesel if that any sort of advancement . The big companies that have a hand in fossil fuel will not let go of it until there isn t a drop to be found. Ukraine doesn t sell it s rights to the fossil fuel in the country because hey , the need for it it s gonna dissapear and let s sell now while we can still make a buck. No sir. Let s you and i talk about this in 10 yrs from now when the fossil fuel industry will be just as strong if not stronger once the news breaks out that renewable energy piggy backs on fossil fuel.

 

[Sebastian]

Wow, this kind of ignorance of physics is mind blowing.

Meanwhile the local oppressors (in Donetzk/Донецьк) have decreed that infiltration/concentration camps for non-combatants (which are deemed foreigners or stateless) are to be implemented/erected. Pretty close to what Germany did a century ago and it did not end well. (As far as I can find, this info has not been debunked yet. If you find a source that does debunk it, I'll be glad to delete this post.)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1671533769637896195

 

[JMR]

I am happy to put a smile on your face ..but we ll see in few years who s laughing harder

 

[Uwe]

Pretty close to what Germany did a century ago

Wait, who in this conflict has the most nostalgia for what Germany did back then?



-Uwe-

 

[Sebastian]

We had this before a few pages back and I believe you brought up the same argument. Personally, I am certain there are individuals in the Ukrainian army who adore Nazi Germany, we keep seeing the same in the German army even today and as you are well aware in the US armed forces too. So individuals holding up flags may be catchy, but proofs little.

As with any information, context, sources and their validation is important. Of course, throwing in random images (of which some have been deemed photoshopped by experts and fact checkers) wins you quick points with some, but it proves nothing beyond your ability to post images without context. So unless you are able to provide said context and sources for these images, let's dismiss them and get back to some more resilient information sources. As mentioned before, you're welcome to disprove the information I have come across but all I have seen so far are merely headlines being thrown into the conversation and when asked about clarification or in depth details, there is silence and a change of topic combined with whataboutism in it's purest form.

I am fine with being wrong, having incorrect or misinterpreted information is part of life. This does however require to accept personal failure and in the process an actual honest look at alternatives. Again, please actually take the time and convince me that I am wrong. But don't do it with half assed headlines of articles you haven't even read or random images, that you collected on the web w/o any fact checking.


Let's have a serious and grown up discussion. Here are some analysis and numbers.

Russia’s Estimated Storage of Cruise Missiles, May 2023

The massive Russian missile attacks against Ukraine in recent days together with evidence of the increasing efficiency of Ukraine’s air and missile defense make it necessary to re-examine the state of Russia’s arsenal of cruise, ballistic and air-launched missiles with a range of more than 300...

jamestown.org

The True State of Russian Arms Manufacturing, June 2023

In recent weeks, Russia’s military leadership has wholly changed its rhetoric regarding domestic arms manufacturing and the country’s military-industrial complex. From the nervous statements and even threats made to the upper management of state-owned companies and production facilities...

jamestown.org

 

[Sebastian]

Well, today is interesting...

There have been plenty of speculations in the past, that Putin has used body doubles. Apparently Russian media has had him live in 2 places at once today.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1672167220573609985

On a more serious note, there seems to be a coup in progress. Prigozhin (and PMC Wagner) seems to have declared war on the Russian Ministry of Defence.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1672314259907158028

This has been confirmed by Igor Girkin aka Strelkov via his Telegram channel.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1672315428788379669

 

[Sebastian]

Are we going to see Tchaikovsky's "Swan Lake" on loop again on Russian state TV, like on August 19th, 1991?

Mind you, even if this is all misinformation - it does cause some serious internal distraction on the Russian side, which will benefit Ukraine.

 

[JMR]

Interestingly enough , Germany signed a 20 year contract with an american supplier for its LNG needs. Hmm...i am sure russians provided that at a fraction of the cost but hey..who are we to judge ? However..as i said in a previous post...no one is weaning off the fossil fuels ...

Germany Commits to American Gas With First U.S. LNG Offtake Deal

In a strong signal of Germanys plans to diversify its energy supply for the long term, the German ut...

www.maritime-executive.com

 

[mattylondon]

Developments overnight, war criminal Prigozhin and his forces have captured the headquarters of the Southern Military District in Rostov. Wagner forces also reportedly downed two, some say three, russian federation helicopters that were allegedly trying to attack them. Is this the beginning of russia imploding internally?

Still their genocide machine keeps killing innocent civilians with three dead in Kyiv.

 

[Sebastian]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1672531218070396929

Institute for the Study of War

Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin appears to have launched an armed rebellion on June 23 to force a leadership change within the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) which is unlikely to succeed. Prigozhin amplified a video from a Wagner-affiliated

www.understandingwar.org

 

[RGH0]

Sometime back I recall saying it would be interesting to see who lasted in power longest Putin or Zelensky as everyone forecast a rapid Russian victory in Ukraine. Maybe soon we will find out !!

 

[Sebastian]

Proper attitude...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1672578245772947456

 

[Uwe]

Certainly an interesting development.




-Uwe-

 

[Sebastian]

It's happening again...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1672585388395724805

...after Putin has already fled, as rumor has it.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1672578805842563073

This whole situation has been in the cards of several analysts, the question was always who backs whom and is it enough.

The Ghost of Civil War in Russia? - SCEEUS

SCEEUS Report | The Ghost of Civil War in Russia? by Aleksandr Golts | Centrum för Östeuropastudier, SCEEUS

sceeus.se

Now if Russia was such a strong and powerful advocate, why can Wagner troops get to Moscow almost w/o any interference?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1672494897385861120

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/06/24/world/russia-ukraine-news

 

[JMR]

Putin / FSB will put Progojin in it s place. Let s not forget that Prigojin it a even a fiercer nationalist than Putin. I d be more affraid with Prigojin in charge than with Putin. Prigojin wants an all mayhem on Ukraine while Putin does just a war of attrition. If PMC Wagner would be in some sort of power either they will use an all destructive force or will be worse. He just doesn t like the prolonged fighting. But keep in mind , he s still a russian . If west wins..Russia will be nothing but history , it will be broken apart , so no , Prigojin does not want that as much as other people will like to believe

 

[JMR]

Still not a sign of weaning off the fossil fuels.

OMV Petrom and Romgaz announce the decision to develop Neptun Deep, the largest natural gas project in the Romanian Black Sea

Neptun Deep will supply a total volume of ~100 bcm of natural gas

www.omvpetrom.com

Funny enough , Romania will become the largest producer of nat gas in Europe. Hmmm.....imagine that ..

 

[dieseldub]

Interesting. Wagner group is apparently backing down, leader Prighozi struck a deal with Belarussian president to just move there, apparently. Of course Belarus is also just a Russian puppet state. Prighozi was traditionally a Putin lap dog and makes one wonder if this was just some elaborate distraction scheme of some kind, for what ends I'm not real sure.

Very strange for certain, but it seems what was building as a potential coup plot has suddenly evaporated and everything is perfectly fine in Russia. Go figure.

 

[Uwe]

If west wins..Russia will be nothing but history , it will be broken apart

There are certainly elements in the west who make no secret of their desire to break Russia into pieces.

-Uwe-

 

[RGH0]

There are certainly elements in Russia who make no secret of their desire to destroy the West also including the lead hosts on Russian Kremlin controlled state TV reading the Kremlins provided script

 

[Sebastian]

If you believe this whole thing just "evaporated" and nothing else is to come, you may not be seeing the broader aspects here. Prigozhin was never a lap dog and this being a 'Putin planned distraction of some kind' makes little to no sense. The whole ordeal has weakened Putin more than what he could have gained in the first place. Here's an interesting read in that context.

https://carnegieendowment.org/politika/90036

As usual ISW has a more in-depth analysis of the situation. If you're not into long reads, the key takeaways are about 1/3 down right before the 1st UA map.

Institute for the Study of War

The Kremlin announced late on June 24 that Belarusian dictator Alexander Lukashenko negotiated a deal under which Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin will travel to Belarus without facing criminal charges in Russia; some portion of Wagner Group

www.understandingwar.org

The Russian Air Force lost 7-8 aircrafts including 13+ airmen in this ordeal, of which 3 were electronic warfare variants. It's like they have had a lot of those in the first place. Loosing men and material like this will likely not be forgotten in the MoD vs. Wagner context in the following months.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1672709307073196034

One of the takeaways for Ukraine was, that they managed to keep pushing and moved an unconfirmed number armored units over with a ferry. While the number of units is likely not significant at this time, the fact that they managed to do so should tell you something about what is going on on the ground.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1672642236012544000